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Tools and Uses => Reloading => Topic started by: wirecounter on August 11, 2022, 08:04:15 AM
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It was worth a try - they have about 40 of 195 powders in stock. The most that I have seen in two years. But, powders are limited to one max for jugs and 2-5 for bottles.
Hi Wirecounter,
I am sorry but our system is unable to combine orders, each order would
would have to ship individually.
Thanks,
Powder Valley
620-229-8685
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Group buy! Who is in?
dogman?
808Hunta?
Rhed?
;D
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Group buy! Who is in?
dogman?
808Hunta?
Rhed?
;D
INN!! I’ve been watching this. Seems like powders are getting back in stock. Hopefully anytime now, our LGS will be getting some in stock. But recent price increases (primers ::) ) locally, tells me that it ain’t going to be cheap for the powders too. So probably our best bet is to get in on this group buy..
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Group buy! Who is in?
dogman?
808Hunta?
Rhed?
;D
I'm in! From where?
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That’s the other thing. So PowderValley can ship as much as one wants. I don’t know if they still have limit for each specific powder. But if they do have limit, when they say you can’t combine orders, you can’t have multi purchase or charges of the same kine and send it out in one package. Also if they do have limit, you can order different powders of the limit of each type or brand, but still one order. Cause they have to make one SDS info for the freight forwarders. Now, our problem now is freight forwarders. Very, very limited Frieght forwarders that ship to Hawaii. And the ones that do and PowderValley dealt with before, doesn’t want to return emails, calls, nothing. I talked to a person at the Cali location. All was almost good to go, then dead, no communication. Kinda ify at that point. Im sure others here get connection or know someone in the freight forwarding part. That maybe can chime in.
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That’s the other thing. So PowderValley can ship as much as one wants. I don’t know if they still have limit for each specific powder. But if they do have limit, when they say you can’t combine orders, you can’t have multi purchase or charges of the same kine and send it out in one package. Also if they do have limit, you can order different powders of the limit of each type or brand, but still one order. Cause they have to make one SDS info for the freight forwarders. Now, our problem now is freight forwarders. Very, very limited Frieght forwarders that ship to Hawaii. And the ones that do and PowderValley dealt with before, doesn’t want to return emails, calls, nothing. I talked to a person at the Cali location. All was almost good to go, then dead, no communication. Kinda ify at that point. Im sure others here get connection or know someone in the freight forwarding part. That maybe can chime in.
I don't have connections, but at least one 2a poster might have, at least potential. Hopefully similar like Kaleo Arms, but with ammo. Where a bunch of us can order what we can order, then ship to a common point. That way, we can share the funding burden. Find someone where we can make it worth their while.
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I am waiting for the freight forwarder that my company uses to get back to me. The most cost effective way to do this "group" buy is have the freight forwarder arrange for pick up from Powder Valley, truck it to Cali, and ship to Hawaii. Otherwise we will pay for multiple freight/hazmat charges.
I am certain that the freight/hazmat charges have increased like everything else, but PV couldn't tell me what it would be until the order is placed. FYI, price increase for powders is from 32.87% to 47.64% for the powders I want.
We can circumvent the limits by adding on to each others' orders.
I will post once I hear back from the freight forwarder.
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I am waiting for the freight forwarder that my company uses to get back to me. The most cost effective way to do this "group" buy is have the freight forwarder arrange for pick up from Powder Valley, truck it to Cali, and ship to Hawaii. Otherwise we will pay for multiple freight/hazmat charges.
I am certain that the freight/hazmat charges have increased like everything else, but PV couldn't tell me what it would be until the order is placed. FYI, price increase for powders is from 32.87% to 47.64% for the powders I want.
We can circumvent the limits by adding on to each others' orders.
I will post once I hear back from the freight forwarder.
I contacted 2 freight forwarders that’s said they’ll do it. 1 gave a quote, emailed back to them. Then no response back. Called, no answer or answer machine. Aloha Freight and Honolulu Frieght forwarders. I’m in though if you get this going. Thanks..
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I'm in as well. Just maybe need a bit of time for shopping and what I want to come in stock.
I've seen more primers show up on online vendors as well, but with purchase limits. :(
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I'd have to check and see what I need but yeah I'd be down.
Just outta curiosity what powders do you guys need?
Aloha
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FYI, Powder Valley has a limit of 60 pounds per order per day. They also updated their website so you can click an "available" checkbox so you do not need to scroll through 195 powders. They currently have 48 powders in stock in varying quantities.
I am looking to pick up: W296, VVN320, VV3N37, and HP-38 (all in stock, but only pistol powders)
Rifle powders: IMR4895 & TAC are out of stock.
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I do see cfe223 in stock. All 1 pounders. But I’m down. Is your Frieght forwarder setup?
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I do see cfe223 in stock. All 1 pounders. But I’m down. Is your Frieght forwarder setup?
He returned my call and I sent him an email yesterday. He responded "Thank you. Let me review." Standing by for a follow up from him.
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Only thing I'd be looking for is reloder 23 which is usually out of stock.
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So, I sent a follow up email this morning and got the following response:
"So, looking at the regs, we can move shipments up to 66lbs per. If you can, please provide the dims, weights, pickup location, and SDS sheet so that I can give you an estimate."
Doesn't look it it will be worth it to go directly with a freight forwarder since we won't know the dims or which SDS sheets they need until we order it. And, they can only ship 66 pounds at a time - 6 pounds more than simply buying it from Powder Valley.
DM me which powders you want that is in stock and let me see what I can put together. And, I plan to contact PV before pulling the trigger to get a hazmat/freight cost.
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So, I sent a follow up email this morning and got the following response:
"So, looking at the regs, we can move shipments up to 66lbs per. If you can, please provide the dims, weights, pickup location, and SDS sheet so that I can give you an estimate."
Doesn't look it it will be worth it to go directly with a freight forwarder since we won't know the dims or which SDS sheets they need until we order it. And, they can only ship 66 pounds at a time - 6 pounds more than simply buying it from Powder Valley.
DM me which powders you want that is in stock and let me see what I can put together. And, I plan to contact PV before pulling the trigger to get a hazmat/freight cost.
This was the last estimate I got when I was inquiring. PV gave me the ship dims and weight for 48# of powders. Then AFF gave a estimate. Though at that time, there was powder limits. And getting different powders to equal 48# was impossible cause of availability. So now powders is showing up more now. And PV lifted the limit.
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PV will provide the SDS sheets to the fowarders with the package.
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Possible if I get in on this?
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On the lookout for the following:
RL-26
Vihtavuori N550 (and N560 as well)
I have an ok amount of the following, but I am looking for more:
RL-16
H4350
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On the lookout for the following:
RL-26
Vihtavuori N550 (and N560 as well)
I have an ok amount of the following, but I am looking for more:
RL-16
H4350
Sup my bradda I get choke RL 26 I think I have 560 as well. I know I have 555 which should do well in the creed.
I'll check on da 560 n lyk
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Possible if I get in on this?
I sent you a PM
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So . . . just got off the phone with PV. Their daily limit per order per day is 50 pounds. They charge $19.95 for hazmat, plus freight plus tax. Freight forwarder then tacks on their fees.
But, only Rhed has messaged me so far and we do not have enough for 50 pounds - probably because most of the 8-pound jugs of rifle powder is unavailable.
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So . . . just got off the phone with PV. Their daily limit per order per day is 50 pounds. They charge $19.95 for hazmat, plus freight plus tax. Freight forwarder then tacks on their fees.
But, only Rhed has messaged me so far and we do not have enough for 50 pounds - probably because most of the 8-pound jugs of rifle powder is unavailable.
Let me check in the next day or so. See if I am interested or can find folks interested in what PV has in stock.
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Sup my bradda I get choke RL 26 I think I have 560 as well. I know I have 555 which should do well in the creed.
I'll check on da 560 n lyk
Wow! You have quite a diverse stock!
Thank you, as always, for looking out for us newish shooters. I have plenty of powder to keep me busy for a while. Just looking down the road a bit and if we can get a powder pipeline going, what I am keeping an eye out for.
In fact, I'll be going through my powder bin and seeing what I can offer up to folks. I have a number of 1lb containers that I wanted to try, mostly for .308. However, now I am now looking to thin some of those random 1lb containers of powders.
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Just checked PV powders and everything I'm interested in is out of stock.
One potential is Titegroup for a group buy, but only 1# containers in stock. I have lots of Titegroup, but I am pretty sure we could find folks who are interested. Or at least I would be willing to order/pay if needed to make the order feasible.
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Just seen RL15.5 in stock. Well, that’s not going to last too long. Lol
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See portal to portal quote I received yesterday. Probably only the $19.95 hazmat fee (paperwork) and tax will be tacked on by PV. This is a ballpark quote, not exact.
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I found it! From the Code of Federal Regulations, CFR, Title 49, Subtitle B, Chapter 1, Subchapter C, Part 173.171 Smokeless powder for small arms.
The below is directly from their website: https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-173 (https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-49/subtitle-B/chapter-I/subchapter-C/part-173)
§ 173.171 Smokeless powder for small arms.
Smokeless powder for small arms which has been classed in Division 1.3 or Division 1.4 may be reclassed in Division 4.1, for domestic transportation by motor vehicle, rail car, vessel, or cargo-only aircraft, subject to the following conditions:
(a) Powders that have been approved as Division 1.3C or Division 1.4C may be reclassed to Division 4.1 in accordance with §§ 173.56 and 173.58 of this part.
(b) The total quantity of smokeless powder may not exceed 45.4 kg (100 pounds) net mass in:
(1) One transport vehicle or cargo-only aircraft; or
(2) One freight container on a vessel, not to exceed four freight containers per vessel.
(c) Only combination packagings with inner packagings not exceeding 3.6 kg (8 pounds) net mass are authorized. Inner packagings must be arranged and protected so as to prevent simultaneous ignition of the contents. The complete package must be of the same type which has been examined as required in § 173.56 of this part.
(d) Inside packages that have been examined and approved by the Associate Administrator may be packaged in UN 4G fiberboard boxes meeting the Packing Group I performance level, provided all inside containers are packed to prevent shifting and the net weight of smokeless powder in any one box does not exceed 7.3 kg (16 pounds).
But, not sure if it's worth a follow up at this time as we cannot even get to 50 pounds although it is good to know that we can ship 100 pounds.
I am figuring that the quote from Jet Trucking is higher that Aloha Freight Forwarders since it is 16 more pounds of gun powder (32% more), includes trucking from Kansas to California, and I asked them to consolidate multiple Powder Valley orders to maximize the shipment(s). So, the quote from jet Trucking is in-line with AFF deducting the above. Extrapolating the 66 pound shipment comes to around $821 for 100 pounds plus the PV fees of $19.95 for paperwork and sales taxes.
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wirecounter - thank you VERY much for all your efforts! Yeah, looks like availability needs a little more time to recover. I am still down for group buy. If you get close, let me know and I probably can find something that I can "contribute" to the order.
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In as well
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Excellent! I will let you guys know. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :shaka:
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wirecounter - thank you VERY much for all your efforts! Yeah, looks like availability needs a little more time to recover. I am still down for group buy. If you get close, let me know and I probably can find something that I can "contribute" to the order.
They had Superformance in stock yesterday for you creedmoor guys. That didn’t last for more the 15 mins though.. 😂
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They had Superformance in stock yesterday for you creedmoor guys. That didn’t last for more the 15 mins though.. 😂
Thanks! I am in "ok" shape for 6.5 cm. I have a decent amount of H4350 and some RL16. Trying not to diversify too much, otherwise more testing. Trying is the key word. However, if needed for group buy, I'd be tempted to try. :D
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Excellent! I will let you guys know. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :shaka:
:geekdanc:
And be sure to ping dogman too ;D
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Thanks! I am in "ok" shape for 6.5 cm. I have a decent amount of H4350 and some RL16. Trying not to diversify too much, otherwise more testing. Trying is the key word. However, if needed for group buy, I'd be tempted to try. :D
Yea if velocity is what you after, specifically for long range, Superformance. Look at the other powders in this data. They tap out on max pressure way before Superform. Not even max yet.
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:geekdanc:
And be sure to ping dogman too ;D
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: Will do!
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Yea if velocity is what you after, specifically for long range, Superformance. Look at the other powders in this data. They tap out on max pressure way before Superform. Not even max yet.
I've shot Superformance in .223 Rem and it was hot. I have some Hornady factory loads with Superformance (at least I believe). I looked at the velocities on the box and they were pretty hot. I'm not really looking for a specific zone. With what I've seen out of H4350 and my 26" barrel, I'm looking to be "in the zone".
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Wow! Superformance in .223? That’s pretty nuts.
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Wow! Superformance in .223? That’s pretty nuts.
Oi, correction. I meant the Superformance line for Hornady. Just read closer, it's a 'special blend of powders'. . .
I don't load for .223 Rem. At least not yet.
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Wow! You have quite a diverse stock!
Thank you, as always, for looking out for us newish shooters. I have plenty of powder to keep me busy for a while. Just looking down the road a bit and if we can get a powder pipeline going, what I am keeping an eye out for.
In fact, I'll be going through my powder bin and seeing what I can offer up to folks. I have a number of 1lb containers that I wanted to try, mostly for .308. However, now I am now looking to thin some of those random 1lb containers of powders.
No problem bradda always willing to help if I can. We used a lot of N560 back in the day for our 30-416 Rigby's. If you like try da RL26 lmk
Aloha
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Just seen RL15.5 in stock. Well, that’s not going to last too long. Lol
Howzit bradda Rhed I get RL 15.5 if u like try
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Howzit bradda Rhed I get RL 15.5 if u like try
Bro I’ll take your offer.. I thinking this Friday I goin be that side. I’ll contact you. :shaka:
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Bro I’ll take your offer.. I thinking this Friday I goin be that side. I’ll contact you. :shaka:
Shoots my bradda sounds good
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Group buy! Who is in?
dogman?
808Hunta?
Rhed?
;D
I would love to join a group buy. I am interested in Varget, CFE Pistol, & H4350
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Im looking for n320, cleanshot, cfe pistol, tite group, sports pistol for 9mm powders im in for any group order
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SEC had powder drops. Mostly Hodgon.. Though, none of them hit the shelves as they were only going through reserve list. And with 5 1#er’s limit (no 8#). I put my name on several powders pre-pendemic time. One of them came in (Varget) and just grabbed the 5 limit. Campared to PV for Varget, and with extra cost for SEC to ship now, I think it was worth the price. WGS had a powder drop as well. Hodgon, Alliant, and some others. Though, I’m still in for a group buy when ready..
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Powder Valley flat rate freight / hazmat fee to Hawaii went up to $450.00. This includes Fedex to Compton and ocean freight to Oahu,100 pounds. Too bad very little rifle powders.
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For example, they have H335 in stock, eight pound keg would be $33.63 / pound landed on Oahu if my math is correct.
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That’s correct.. individual pounders of H335 would be 38$. Cheaper to go 8 pounders. So a group buy is the only way to get the 8 pounders. I don’t think our LGS will bring them in anymore. As I was told they were harder to get. So they say..
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We would still be a lot cheaper to go group buy instead of going through LGS. Though other things to consider is the risk of pallet getting lost or seize by ATF. Or commitment issues.
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Just checked Powder Valley. Looks like Hodgdon powders went up three to four dollars a pound in the last week.
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Just checked Powder Valley. Looks like Hodgdon powders went up three to four dollars a pound in the last week.
I saw that. Pretty much every powder went up in price (10% - 20%).
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