Post by: aletheuo137 on October 04, 2022, 08:06:47 AM
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Post by: punaperson on October 04, 2022, 08:16:02 AM
"On the Big Island, the Hawaii Police Department has received 33 License to Carry permit applications with six receiving approval."
Since when? Who? Where and when did they take their proficiency training? I'm calling bullsh*t until I see underlying data (which they won't provide even with a UIPA request).
Post by: surfmaster on October 04, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XxPx4doJAU
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 04, 2022, 10:14:54 AM
Post by: surfmaster on October 04, 2022, 10:30:32 AM
Post by: stangzilla on October 04, 2022, 10:31:47 AM
and the guy after him too
many great testimonies
Post by: stangzilla on October 04, 2022, 10:32:22 AM
Is it my PC but the Youtube Live has no sound.
mine has sound. check the mute button next to the volume
Post by: surfmaster on October 04, 2022, 10:47:30 AM
mine has sound. check the mute button next to the volumeGot it. My plug in ear buds are bad.
Post by: dirsh on October 04, 2022, 11:09:58 AM
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Post by: Jl808 on October 04, 2022, 01:50:54 PM
Post by: ren on October 04, 2022, 05:10:57 PM
Some even argued that the proposed rules were not tough enough.
Ilima DeCosta, whose daughter was fatally shot, showed a picture of the young woman at the hearing. “Hawaii is safer because we have had stricter laws regarding concealed carry,” Decosta said.
Post by: robtmc on October 04, 2022, 05:27:00 PM
Some even argued that the proposed rules were not tough enough.Did anyone think to ask him if she was shot by a regular citizen, or a criminal.
Ilima DeCosta, whose daughter was fatally shot, showed a picture of the young woman at the hearing. “Hawaii is safer because we have had stricter laws regarding concealed carry,” Decosta said.
Post by: punaperson on October 04, 2022, 05:33:08 PM
Did anyone think to ask him if she was shot by a regular citizen, or a criminal.That's her mother. Her daughter shot herself in a successful suicide attempt. Imagine how much worse it would have been had Hawaii been allowing concealed carry.
That person is a pathological liar. Looks a little like Munchausen by proxy.
Post by: zippz on October 04, 2022, 06:01:38 PM
That's her mother. Her daughter shot herself in a successful suicide attempt. Imagine how much worse it would have been had Hawaii been allowing concealed carry.
That person is a pathological liar. Looks a little like Munchausen by proxy.
I've.talked to her before. She said her daughter committed suicide with a shot to the back of the head.
Not sure what happened there. Tragic.
When I first talked to her a couple years ago, she seemed more focused on preventing suicide and thought people could own guns but be safe about it. She's a lot more erratic now. Wondering if Mom's Demand Action is using her and screwing with her mind.
Post by: ren on October 04, 2022, 06:47:28 PM
“The rules can be furthered strengthened by contacting employers, character references, people who live in the same household and or current or recent significant others,” said Erica Yamauchi of Moms Demand Action.
https://manoa.hawaii.edu/speakers/gun-safety-in-hawaii/ (https://manoa.hawaii.edu/speakers/gun-safety-in-hawaii/)
https://thinktechhawaii.com/tag/erica-yamauchi/ (https://thinktechhawaii.com/tag/erica-yamauchi/)
https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericayamauchi (https://www.linkedin.com/in/ericayamauchi)
Works as a "social impact marketing director "for the State of Hawaii and owns a marketing company....
Social Impact Marketing Director, Data to Wisdom (Child & Adolescent Mental Health Division)
Hawaii State Department of Health
May 2021 - Present1 year 6 months
Honolulu, Hawaii, United States
Erica Yamauchi // Strategic Communications Graphic
Principal
Erica Yamauchi // Strategic Communications
Feb 2011 - Present11 years 9 months
Hawaiian Islands
Independent strategic communications, including social marketing, communications research, public relations, media relations, community relations and marketing communications.
Post by: punaperson on October 04, 2022, 07:08:08 PM
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/concerns-over-open-carry-restrictions-on-hawaii/ (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/concerns-over-open-carry-restrictions-on-hawaii/)These people ("reporters") are so f*cking stupid... they have no idea what they are even talking about...
...
Concerns over open carry restrictions in Hawaii
by: Kristy Tamashiro
Posted: Oct 4, 2022 / 06:28 PM HST
HONOLULU (KHON2) — Four months after the Supreme Court ruling to allow licensed open carry of a firearm, the Honolulu Police Department is working to change the rules. HPD held a public hearing Tuesday giving people a chance to voice their concerns.
Some of HPD’s proposed rules on open carry include a firearm certification program that requires a four-hour lecture session, a written multiple choice exam and a shooting proficiency test.
Applicants must also go through extensive background checks, but those wanting an open carry license are concerned it’s too much.
Post by: ren on October 04, 2022, 07:12:11 PM
These people ("reporters") are so f*cking stupid... they have no idea what they are even talking about...
Concerns over open carry restrictions in Hawaii
by: Kristy Tamashiro
Posted: Oct 4, 2022 / 06:28 PM HST
HONOLULU (KHON2) — Four months after the Supreme Court ruling to allow licensed open carry of a firearm, the Honolulu Police Department is working to change the rules. HPD held a public hearing Tuesday giving people a chance to voice their concerns.
Some of HPD’s proposed rules on open carry include a firearm certification program that requires a four-hour lecture session, a written multiple choice exam and a shooting proficiency test.
Applicants must also go through extensive background checks, but those wanting an open carry license are concerned it’s too much.
Kristy is cute so she gets a pass
Post by: zippz on October 04, 2022, 07:54:50 PM
https://www.khon2.com/local-news/concerns-over-open-carry-restrictions-on-hawaii/ (https://www.khon2.com/local-news/concerns-over-open-carry-restrictions-on-hawaii/)
“The rules can be furthered strengthened by contacting employers, character references, people who live in the same household and or current or recent significant others,” said Erica Yamauchi of Moms Demand Action.
https://manoa.hawaii.edu/speakers/gun-safety-in-hawaii/ (https://manoa.hawaii.edu/speakers/gun-safety-in-hawaii/)
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Hmmm interesting. They said they're outnumbered 20 to 1. Anyone want to help them out?
Frickin Lee, gives us no mention or credit. Says NRA flies lobbyists to meet with legislators and organize that 20 to 1. I feel insulted.
https://youtu.be/FqGCJXFXPT4
Post by: Direjackalope on October 04, 2022, 08:03:03 PM
Post by: ren on October 04, 2022, 08:04:50 PM
Hmmm interesting. They said they're outnumbered 20 to 1. Anyone want to help them out?
Frickin Lee, gives us no mention or credit. Says NRA flies lobbyists to meet with legislators and organize that 20 to 1. I feel insulted.
https://youtu.be/FqGCJXFXPT4
Politicians lie. We know the truth. Todd is good people :thumbsup:
Post by: punaperson on October 04, 2022, 10:16:03 PM
Hmmm interesting. They said they're outnumbered 20 to 1. Anyone want to help them out?You're feeling is well warranted... but I hope to hell you're not having significant emotional responses to all the inane and lying garbage spewed by those ignoramuses and deceitful authoritarian propagandists.
Frickin Lee, gives us no mention or credit. Says NRA flies lobbyists to meet with legislators and organize that 20 to 1. I feel insulted.
Post by: punaperson on October 04, 2022, 10:27:45 PM
Kristy is cute so she gets a passKristy, you ignorant slut.
Post by: QUIETShooter on October 05, 2022, 04:09:21 AM
How da hell do you do that? That's not easy to do.
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 06:26:17 AM
Thank you.
Edit: Thanks to garandtumb on another thread.
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 06:53:02 AM
When 80% of a panel charged with evaluating the factual evidence to support or deny proposed changes in "procedures" re the ability to exercise a constitutionally-protected right are wearing masks, which have absolutely, via peer-reviewed published randomized controlled trials, been shown to have virtually zero effect ("no statistically significant effect") on either source control or personal protection, you know you are being led down a path to "the showers" in a "show trial" by compliant ignoramus sheep who wouldn't know either a fact nor how to find a fact if their lives depended on it. What a circus of stupid clowns. Typical Hawaii governance. Anyone wonder what their "recommendations" will be?
Post by: oldfart on October 05, 2022, 07:39:24 AM
Anyone have a link to the submitted written testimony?.....
Thank you.
Edit: Thanks to garandtumb on another thread.
https://www.honolulupd.org/police-services/firearms/
I looked at most of the written testimony.
I saw a lot of rubber stamped hoplophobic anti-gun letters.
Post by: robtmc on October 05, 2022, 07:44:02 AM
In regards to that mother who claims the daughter successfully committed suicide with a shot in the back of the head.Ask PIAPS
How da hell do you do that? That's not easy to do.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 05, 2022, 08:32:44 AM
In regards to that mother who claims the daughter successfully committed suicide with a shot in the back of the head.
How da hell do you do that? That's not easy to do.
She made no claim, the claim she did make yesterday was that her daughters husband killed her. But her FB post in 2016 about a letter to Obama stated suicide and so did her written testimony for another bill in HI.
She was also the only person outside on the steps of HPD yelling and trying to get attention.
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 08:55:36 AM
She made no claim, the claim she did make yesterday was that her daughters husband killed her. But her FB post in 2016 about a letter to Obama stated suicide and so did her written testimony for another bill in HI.She said "I lost my daughter to domestic-related gun violence." "She was killed by her husband's gun. He has not been adjudicated."
She was also the only person outside on the steps of HPD yelling and trying to get attention.
I'm willing to call that intentional distortion of the facts "lying".
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 05, 2022, 10:20:50 AM
She said "I lost my daughter to domestic-related gun violence." "She was killed by her husband's gun. He has not been adjudicated."
I'm willing to call that intentional distortion of the facts "lying".
She's gone off the reservation, just listening to her speak outside.
Post by: Direjackalope on October 05, 2022, 11:02:33 AM
She's gone off the reservation, just listening to her speak outside.
I would describe her public speaking style as "Shrill"
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 11:05:10 AM
Masked: 100% of those opposed to carry; 80% of those making the decision about the "procedures" to "qualify" for exercising a constitutional right.
Coincidence?
LOL. F*ckers.
Post by: Jl808 on October 05, 2022, 11:29:57 AM
Post by: macsak on October 05, 2022, 11:47:05 AM
mines and several people i know are not on the site yet
There were a few of us that submitted handwritten testimony to the lady that was fielding the oral testifiers. We were there and saw that the line were going slow so we hand wrote them and submitted. I don’t see any of them on the written testimony scans.
Post by: aieahound on October 05, 2022, 11:48:56 AM
I submitted at about 8 am the day of the hearing when I decided I wouldn’t make it.
Post by: changemyoil66 on October 05, 2022, 12:13:39 PM
I submitted email testimony and got the thanks for submitting auto-reply and mine is not in the written testimony scans.
I submitted at about 8 am the day of the hearing when I decided I wouldn’t make it.
I submitted mine on 9/27 and it's not there.
Post by: drck1000 on October 05, 2022, 12:22:33 PM
I submitted mine on 9/27 and it's not there.You're now on the list. . . which is why the Chief came to you and spoke to you in person. . .
Yousa marked man. . . O0
Post by: stangzilla on October 05, 2022, 02:08:17 PM
Post by: aletheuo137 on October 05, 2022, 02:32:52 PM
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Post by: nalo_b on October 05, 2022, 03:46:36 PM
Post by: ren on October 05, 2022, 04:30:36 PM
It's kinda like the gay marriage thing. Doesn't matter what we want/favor, they already made their decision on the matter!
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so we can't have a marriage between a man and woman? That's like pulling you over for stealing your own car
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq6Ez8oYDrU
Post by: ren on October 05, 2022, 09:22:01 PM
Kristy, you ignorant slut.
Definitely not nice. You got some issues.
Post by: punaperson on October 05, 2022, 09:25:56 PM
Definitely not nice. You got some issues.Your ignorance of popular culture is not surprising in the least.
Post by: rpoL98 on October 05, 2022, 11:54:29 PM
Your ignorance of popular culture is not surprising in the least.maybe he's too young. or we're too old. whichever.
Post by: 4C5S on October 06, 2022, 12:37:34 AM
FF to 36:20 min mark and listen to the end. Mayor admits he’s moving the goal post and making it harder because of the Bruen decision. 41:00 the Mayor’s own words here should be played back at the future 2A lawsuit.
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Post by: 96707 on October 06, 2022, 08:08:55 AM
Post by: Rocky on October 06, 2022, 09:34:32 AM
maybe he's too young. or we're too old. whichever.
Yeah... yeah.
That's the ticket.
Post by: Heavies on October 06, 2022, 07:51:38 PM
https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1061-rick-hamada-28867030/episode/ask-the-mayor-on-newsradio-830-102897362/?cmp=ios_share&sc=ios_social_share&pr=falseTypical politician. Says “we are going to follow the SCOTUS decision..” then immediately follows with “balancing….” A direct contradiction to exactly what the SCOTUS decision forbade.
FF to 36:20 min mark and listen to the end. Mayor admits he’s moving the goal post and making it harder because of the Bruen decision. 41:00 the Mayor’s own words here should be played back at the future 2A lawsuit.
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Insulting to be called an extremist for wanting to follow the Constitution of the USA too, BTW, FU Mayor 🖕
These people are impossible
Post by: Stack_Xchange on October 07, 2022, 04:04:36 AM
That girl Kristy is in Alpha Phi Sigma? I saw a picture of her wearing the stole and cord on her Insta.
Recognized it because... so am I...
Post by: groveler on October 07, 2022, 06:24:42 AM
Typical politician. Says “we are going to follow the SCOTUS decision..” then immediately follows with “balancing….” A direct contradiction to exactly what the SCOTUS decision forbade."These people are impossible"
Insulting to be called an extremist for wanting to follow the Constitution of the USA too, BTW, FU Mayor 🖕
These people are impossible
Your first mistake.
They are not people, they are Democrats.
Everyone wonders how things like the Holocaust occurred,
it is because some people got tired of being taken advantage of.
And rightly or wrongly took revenge.
I'm tired of being victimized by the government and its agents.
:grrr:
I am however a law abiding citizen.
Aloha.
Post by: zippz on October 07, 2022, 09:18:45 AM
Post by: Heavies on October 07, 2022, 06:02:23 PM
What really disgusting is this is not a debate. They need to follow the Constitution and the ruling of the SCOTUS. yet here we are debating with these people about what infringements are “reasonable” when 90% of these rules are ILLEGAL.
No accountability whatsoever for these bureaucrats and politicians. ZERO
Post by: Heavies on October 07, 2022, 06:15:00 PM
What’s scary is they made it to 70-80 years old and they still haven’t realized that criminals have ALWAYS been carrying guns, knives, deadly implements, just waiting to do harm to less capable weaker people in society.
And only now they are “afraid” because decent people will be able to protect themselves?
The F*cking twists in logic to come to that kind of conclusion is some feat of mental gymnastics!
Post by: 96707 on October 07, 2022, 06:18:44 PM
Hardly any of the opposition even took the time to even read what’s being proposed, or even considered what is lawful or reasonable. They just regurgitating the fear mongering and nonsense being spewed. That one dude was even spouting about how SCOTUS made abortion illegal, and is comparing that to a constitutional protected NATURAL RIGHT…. WTF? This dude has no clue about how this works at all.
What really disgusting is this is not a debate. They need to follow the Constitution and the ruling of the SCOTUS. yet here we are debating with these people about what infringements are “reasonable” when 90% of these rules are ILLEGAL.
No accountability whatsoever for these bureaucrats and politicians. ZERO
Kavanaugh's concurring opinion allows them to put in place restrictions and ccw requirements. They are just following the antigun playbook knowing full well this will stall the process and worst case scenario is the state gets sued and burns another year. This is a stall tactic to ride out the ongoing lawsuits. Hawaii is dreaming of a federal lawsuit because 9th circuit liberal judges will side with Hawaii, then even longer before the issue is settled. Relax, nothing is going to happen any time soon. Spend time voting for and supporting good candidates in the mext election.
Post by: ren on October 07, 2022, 06:33:46 PM
Hardly any of the opposition even took the time to even read what’s being proposed, or even considered what is lawful or reasonable. They just regurgitating the fear mongering and nonsense being spewed. That one dude was even spouting about how SCOTUS made abortion illegal, and is comparing that to a constitutional protected NATURAL RIGHT…. WTF? This dude has no clue about how this works at all.
What really disgusting is this is not a debate. They need to follow the Constitution and the ruling of the SCOTUS. yet here we are debating with these people about what infringements are “reasonable” when 90% of these rules are ILLEGAL.
No accountability whatsoever for these bureaucrats and politicians. ZERO
maybe he got lost. Planned Parenthood is just one bldg away.
Post by: aieahound on October 07, 2022, 07:35:16 PM
Attorney Rick Fried was strongly for.
If I’m not mistaken.
Interesting
Tack on to Heavies post above: Hysteria. A ton of those opposed suffer from Hysteria.
hysteria
noun
hys·te·ria hi-ˈster-ē-ə -ˈstir-
1
: a psychoneurosis marked by emotional excitability and disturbances of the psychogenic, sensory, vasomotor, and visceral (see VISCERAL sense 4) functions
2
: behavior exhibiting overwhelming or unmanageable fear or emotional excess
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hysteria
Post by: mrgaf on October 07, 2022, 07:47:02 PM
Hmmm interesting. They said they're outnumbered 20 to 1. Anyone want to help them out?
Frickin Lee, gives us no mention or credit. Says NRA flies lobbyists to meet with legislators and organize that 20 to 1. I feel insulted.
https://youtu.be/FqGCJXFXPT4
I’ve Had to deal with Lee on a few occasions. He’s a pompous idiot, very abrasive and thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread. My last conversation with him ended in me reminding him he’s a legend in his own mind and he started to raise his voice, I gave him a good FOAD and hung up. Twenty minutes later I ceased to be a life member of the NRA. :shaka:
Post by: hvybarrels on October 07, 2022, 11:42:32 PM
Nothing like a cop shortage to put a little pucker in their sphincters
Post by: Flapp_Jackson on October 08, 2022, 12:05:40 AM
On a semi-positive note when Democrat fraud completely botches the upcoming election, the chaos that follows will inevitably push more people to pro-2a.
Nothing like a cop shortage to put a little pucker in their sphincters
Some are predicting that the results of either the midterms this year or the 2024 Presidential election will be so tainted, there will be a refusal to allow the results to be certified. Jan 6th may have only been a "peaceful protest" compared to what could happen soon.
People are getting fed up with the unanswered questions and suspicious 3AM delivery trucks. They are frustrated with the Democrats controlling the counting in key swing states and having GOP observers kicked out for no good cause or seated in alcoves far from where the counting is being done. And why are there always "misplaced" cases of ballots found at the 11th hour every single election?
They cry that democracy is under attack, yet they deny a transparent, fair and democratic election process. One voice -- one vote. Each bogus ballot, tossed-out ballot, re-scanned ballot or "counting error" cancels someone's valid vote.
Post by: groveler on October 08, 2022, 09:07:07 AM
I’ve Had to deal with Lee on a few occasions. He’s a pompous idiot, very abrasive and thinks he’s the best thing since sliced bread. My last conversation with him ended in me reminding him he’s a legend in his own mind and he started to raise his voice, I gave him a good FOAD and hung up. Twenty minutes later I ceased to be a life member of the NRA. :shaka:Did you quit or did they kick you out?
I'm a life NRA member for over thirty years, not too happy with them today, but I also vote for
Republicans against my better judgement.
Better to have some representation as opposed to none.
I'm also a member of GOA and our local
Quixotic HIFICO(sp?).
I keep a lawyer on speed dial.
If The NRA terminated you, I'd be happy to help get you re-instated.
PM me.
:shaka: