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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: changemyoil66 on February 22, 2023, 01:07:37 PM
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30 CCW permits issued so far.
Which means 1 every other day.
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Only 30? Wow I thought that number would’ve been in the 100’s by now.
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Sooooooo were still being denied.
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Sooooooo were still being denied.
A right delayed is a right denied.
-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
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waiting 3 weeks now
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waiting 3 weeks now
From what I seen so far 1 month (30 days) was the minimum, don’t think they putting much effort into the processing part.
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From what I seen so far 1 month (30 days) was the minimum, don’t think they putting much effort into the processing part.
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i heard some people waiting 2 months
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i heard some people waiting 2 months
Me and my friend is still waiting. Made 7 weeks this past Tuesday, 2/21. Called HPD today, said with the amount of applications they have, it's about a 2 month wait. Next week makes 2 months for both of us. Lets see if theirs any truth to what they are saying.
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i heard some people waiting 2 months
Yea no doubt people waiting longer, just from what I seen so far 30 days was the shortest time it took to get approved
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It was said over a month ago that over 600 applications were received. Let's say no additional applications were received and 1/3 get denied. At the rate of 1 every other day, that is 800 days or a little over 2 years before the last one receives his or her permit. Seems about right for the speed at which things get done in Hawaii.
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I’m pretty shocked that’s it’s only 30 so far
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The excuse is that there’s a lot of people applying. Lots of people take a shit every day too but somehow we figured that out.
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It's City and County, after all. Not knocking the workers. Knocking the system.
And being it's no secret that our government are anti-2a........
More worse. :rofl:
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It was said over a month ago that over 600 applications were received. Let's say no additional applications were received and 1/3 get denied. At the rate of 1 every other day, that is 800 days or a little over 2 years before the last one receives his or her permit. Seems about right for the speed at which things get done in Hawaii.
I believe HPD drug their feet on defining the licensing requirements in part to disrupt the momentum created by the Bruen decision. They saw the rush of applicants, and if they allowed quick and easy approval, it would have encouraged more.
Instead, they kept putting off approvals for months, scheduled a public hearing for the Chief's Rules, and created a new standard for evaluating proficiency and certifying trainers. i still can't believe the Chief's Rules has the authority of law here when every other state spells out their concealed carry requirements via state statute. Seems backwards, and to let each county create their own rules and not honor any other county's license seems unconstitutional. The state is granted the right and duty to define carry requirements, not the counties. NV used to have city & county laws and ordinances that contradicted state law as well, and the state changed it so state laws override lower laws. I imagine that needs to happen here, too, if it'll ever change.
Anyway, they broke our momentum. People who applied are probably now trying to afford and schedule their time to get the training. It's not surprising the approvals are flowing like molasses.
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All part of the plan.
Disrupt.
Delay.
Discourage.
Because they no longer can deny.
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Ainokea wat dey do.
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Heard today on KHVH that HPD Has received and is processing 600 completed applications per his discussion with Logan….gonna be awhile….. :grrr:
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Heard today on KHVH that HPD Has received and is processing 600 completed applications per his discussion with Logan….gonna be awhile….. :grrr:
And I imagine it'll take "awhile" each and every year when they all expire after a short 12 months. They are creating a revolving backlog with inadequate resources to process applications in a reasonable amount of time.
Other states in which I received CCW permits had WRITEN IN THE LAW that processing would take up to 60 days. If they took longer, you could request expedited approval unless there were circumstances beyond their control -- massive increase in demand, pandemic, ...
:wtf:
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I said it before and I will say it again, Logan is purposely slow rolling this as he did with the chiefs rules. My predictions as follows:
Anyone who applies for a CCW in Honolulu county as of last week is wasting their time because the state and legislature controls implementation of CCW requirements and those new requirements will become law in May/June of 2023. The anti CCW bills have made it through all the committees and will become law. This will likely require new chief rules on Oahu and other counties will follow new state ccw requirements.
People with existing ccw permits will be voided (maybe ex post facto issue) or approved permits will be kept to a minimum, which is why they are slow rolling the process. Most people processing now will get a letter in June saying new laws please comply and apply in future
Kokohead will reopen after legislature moves for final votes to avoid large opposition to ccw restrictions.
To do: 92F request for Chiefs calendars and meetings and any agenda items, as well as emails related to CCW discussions with subordinates, Mayors, Legislators. Then 92F regarding timing and closure of kokohead. This was all a plan in place for years in the even sup ct dud this.
Sit back and relax, CCW is dead in Hawaii for the next few years as the lawsuits make its way through fed dist ct, 9th circuit panel, 9th circuit en banc and then supreme court. I am not sure California lawsuits will help Hawaii given the sup ct ruling and historical basis analysis. Most stayes have different histories and that maybe a factual distinction sufficient to make a Hawaii or anybstate for thatvmatter analysis unique.
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At least on the BI the judge threw out the firearm charges against a guy that had his girlfriend's handgun. HRS 134 says you cannot loan a handgun, but that didn't matter.
Since den I kno two mo guys dat stay Ainokea carry.
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Logan is a puppet and so is hpd
https://youtu.be/E0ozmU9cJDg
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Logan is a puppet and so is hpd
https://youtu.be/E0ozmU9cJDg
i don't dislike puppets as long as the people pulling the strings are keeping faith with the values of the country as designed.
it's the power hungry who can't seize power on their own and who serve only their own interests who make dangerous puppet masters.
Obama is a perfect example of both a puppet and puppeteer.
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Logan is a weak puppet
Chief of police should have balls of steel. Instead, Logan has boba balls. Like boba tea. Soft. SAWFT, soft!!!
He does not instill confidence. Not at all
If I were a cop, I would question everything he says and everything he does. He's not a leader. I have more confidence in Ernie and Bert and Big Bird than I do in Mr. Logan
Sesame street wouldn't even follow this wussy
Every time he comes on tv, he merely reads off a paper that someone else wrote for him
He's a joke
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Logan is a weak puppet
Chief of police should have balls of steel. Instead, Logan has boba balls. Like boba tea. Soft. SAWFT, soft!!!
He does not instill confidence. Not at all
If I were a cop, I would question everything he says and everything he does. He's not a leader. I have more confidence in Ernie and Bert and Big Bird than I do in Mr. Logan
Sesame street wouldn't even follow this wussy
Every time he comes on tv, he merely reads off a paper that someone else wrote for him
He's a joke
Well, a good puppet wouldn't have balls or a spine, right?
Again, if the people pulling the strings followed the Constitution and protected our rights, seeing a lower leverl puppet would not be a problem.
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Logan is a weak puppet
Chief of police should have balls of steel. Instead, Logan has boba balls. Like boba tea. Soft. SAWFT, soft!!!
He does not instill confidence. Not at all
If I were a cop, I would question everything he says and everything he does. He's not a leader. I have more confidence in Ernie and Bert and Big Bird than I do in Mr. Logan
Sesame street wouldn't even follow this wussy
Every time he comes on tv, he merely reads off a paper that someone else wrote for him
He's a joke
I’m getting the same impression. Spokesmuppet.
(https://imgs.search.brave.com/GZkmexQCEPNqrJlwgmn6gDGvNykz2T-IWNLver7ofME/rs:fit:546:496:1/g:ce/aHR0cDovL2ltZzEu/d2lraWEubm9jb29r/aWUubmV0L19fY2Iy/MDEwMDExMDA2MzYy/NS9tdXBwZXQvaW1h/Z2VzL2YvZjMvQ2Fy/bGNvcC5qcGc)
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Basically Logan is following his boss's agenda.
Before he was implementing Hawaii's may issue laws.
Now he is following the new strategy. Circumvent the SCOTUS ruling on the Bruen case.
Yeah. He is a puppet. In line with what he is expected to do in order to get the position of Chief of Police.
Mavericks are not welcome in HPD, the City, and in the State of Hawaii.
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So anyway this morning on HNN they mentioned that so far 38 CCW licenses were issued out of more than 800 applications so far.
Why is the process so long, I pondered. ( :rofl:)
Then it dawned on me. They are "waiting" for all the anti-2a Bills to be eventually not possibly, passed in the State and City.
Then our puppet Logan will issue the permits more freely, knowing that there is essentially no place a CCW holder will be able to carry his weapon legally.
He just issued those 38 licenses just so he can say he is complying by the decision, even though it was at a pace that would make a snail look like a rabbit.
What really made me shake my head was when Logan was asked and he responded that there has been no knowledge of any incidents regarding a CCW holder to date.
You see? It's only been a couple of months and already HPD, the State, the City, and even the f**kn media regard law abiding citizens that has been vetted (who knows how many f**kn times) as potential criminals.
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Understaffed DPP can get violations (including all property and owner info) out in days.
Understaffed DOH can get violations (including all property, business and owner info) out in days.
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Which means in the past 3 weeks since the Bill 57 hearing, only 8 CCWs are issued. So the average is about 13 a month or 3 a week.
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this is BS
this week will make 6 weeks out for me
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this is BS
this week will make 6 weeks out for me
I know a few guys who was told 90 days.
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Let’s do the math. 800 apps, 13 per month processed. 5.12 years for last man to get his. Not bad, not bad. More like F'ING PATHETIC.
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Did they clarify how the renewal process will go or is that pending the bills in process now? Only because if it’s taking 90 days to approve and they don’t extend the time beyond annual licenses, man…
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Did they clarify how the renewal process will go or is that pending the bills in process now? Only because if it’s taking 90 days to approve and they don’t extend the time beyond annual licenses, man…
No process in the bills. Just more requirements.
NV has a 120day max in their law. HI has no max time.
IMO Logan is delaying because less people to sue HI later.
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Let’s do the math. 800 apps, 13 per month processed. 5.12 years for last man to get his. Not bad, not bad. More like F'ING PATHETIC.
Hee hee. There's a pretty good chance I will die before I get mine if I were to apply today. :rofl:
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It will be very interesting to see how this all pans out. Considering most people qualified with more than 1 gun that current figure of 38 should be divided by 2 which means roughly 20 applicants of the 800 were issued permits.
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38 out of 800. What is taking them so long?
I turned my application in a few weeks ago. I guess I'll be waiting a while.
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Laws pass April/May effective immediately. Outter islands implement immediately. Oahu maybe will go back through chief rules process bc they want to waste time. All currently completed applications will be void because new written tests will require testing on Sensitive Places. All marksmanship tests will expired and not grandfathered in.
Next year CC will use Kokohead fiasco to heavily regulate outdoor ranges and make outdoor ranges on private property impossible to maintain. This this will leave indoor ranges as only option to qualify. Then the legislature with police chiefs will revamp marksmanship test to include 4 shots at 30 + yards. This will ensure noone can qualify at indoor ranges.
At that point, I will be looking for investors for my Bunny Ranch, Sema Car Show, Luau Package full service Hawaii CCW qualification business in Vegas. Bang Bang and Away We Go (copywrite/trademark). Anyways, we should be really talking about type 2 holsters.
Going be more awesome when the AGs subpoena usernames and email addresses on this site.
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It will be very interesting to see how this all pans out. Considering most people qualified with more than 1 gun that current figure of 38 should be divided by 2 which means roughly 20 applicants of the 800 were issued permits.
When there were 600 apps, Logan said some are for 2 guns so the real person total is about 400.
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Laws pass April/May effective immediately. Outter islands implement immediately. Oahu maybe will go back through chief rules process bc they want to waste time. All currently completed applications will be void because new written tests will require testing on Sensitive Places. All marksmanship tests will expired and not grandfathered in.
Next year CC will use Kokohead fiasco to heavily regulate outdoor ranges and make outdoor ranges on private property impossible to maintain. This this will leave indoor ranges as only option to qualify. Then the legislature with police chiefs will revamp marksmanship test to include 4 shots at 30 + yards. This will ensure noone can qualify at indoor ranges.
At that point, I will be looking for investors for my Bunny Ranch, Sema Car Show, Luau Package full service Hawaii CCW qualification business in Vegas. Bang Bang and Away We Go (copywrite/trademark). Anyways, we should be really talking about type 2 holsters.
Going be more awesome when the AGs subpoena usernames and email addresses on this site.
If you need CQ testing for the Bunny Ranch, LMK. :rofl:
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SNIP
At that point, I will be looking for investors for my Bunny Ranch, Sema Car Show, Luau Package full service Hawaii CCW qualification business in Vegas. Bang Bang and Away We Go (copywrite/trademark). Anyways, we should be really talking about type 2 holsters.
Going be more awesome when the AGs subpoena usernames and email addresses on this site.
I thought SEMA use to be during or around AVN. . . ??? ;D
(from "a friend", of course)
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I thought SEMA use to be during or around AVN. . . ??? ;D
(from "a friend", of course)
AVN is the same time as CES. I know because I went to both.