Per Logan 2/22/23 (Read 9359 times)

changemyoil66

Per Logan 2/22/23
« on: February 22, 2023, 01:07:37 PM »
30 CCW permits issued so far.

Which means 1 every other day.

Xavierbaker

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2023, 01:26:20 PM »
Only 30? Wow I thought that number would’ve been in the 100’s by now.


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Rocky

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2023, 01:42:00 PM »
Sooooooo were still being denied.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2023, 01:45:11 PM »
Sooooooo were still being denied.

A right delayed is a right denied.

-- Martin Luther King, Jr.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
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stangzilla

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2023, 01:57:29 PM »
waiting 3 weeks now

Xavierbaker

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2023, 02:05:41 PM »
waiting 3 weeks now
From what I seen so far 1 month (30 days) was the minimum, don’t think they putting much effort into the processing part.


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stangzilla

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2023, 02:10:32 PM »
From what I seen so far 1 month (30 days) was the minimum, don’t think they putting much effort into the processing part.


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i heard some people waiting 2 months

B_ry

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2023, 03:07:56 PM »
i heard some people waiting 2 months
Me and my friend is still waiting. Made 7 weeks this past Tuesday, 2/21. Called  HPD today, said with the amount of applications they have, it's about a 2 month wait. Next week makes 2 months for both of us. Lets see if theirs any truth to what they are saying.

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Xavierbaker

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #8 on: February 22, 2023, 03:10:02 PM »
i heard some people waiting 2 months
Yea no doubt people waiting longer, just from what I seen so far 30 days was the shortest time it took to get approved


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RSN172

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #9 on: February 22, 2023, 05:05:17 PM »
It was said over a month ago that over 600 applications were received. Let's say no additional applications were received and 1/3 get denied. At the rate of 1 every other day, that is 800 days or a little over 2 years before the last one receives his or her permit. Seems about right for the speed at which things get done in Hawaii.
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Cain57

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #10 on: February 22, 2023, 05:19:19 PM »
I’m pretty shocked that’s it’s only 30 so far

Direjackalope

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #11 on: February 22, 2023, 05:29:10 PM »
The excuse is that there’s a lot of people applying. Lots of people take a shit every day too but somehow we figured that out.

QUIETShooter

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2023, 05:57:35 PM »
It's City and County, after all.  Not knocking the workers.  Knocking the system.

And being it's no secret that our government are anti-2a........

More worse. :rofl:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #13 on: February 22, 2023, 07:29:00 PM »
It was said over a month ago that over 600 applications were received. Let's say no additional applications were received and 1/3 get denied. At the rate of 1 every other day, that is 800 days or a little over 2 years before the last one receives his or her permit. Seems about right for the speed at which things get done in Hawaii.

I believe HPD drug their feet on defining the licensing requirements in part to disrupt the momentum created by the Bruen decision.  They saw the rush of applicants, and if they allowed quick and easy approval, it would have encouraged more.

Instead, they kept putting off approvals for months, scheduled a public hearing for the Chief's Rules, and created a new standard for evaluating proficiency and certifying trainers.  i still can't believe the Chief's Rules has the authority of law here when every other state spells out their concealed carry requirements via state statute.  Seems backwards, and to let each county create their own rules and not honor any other county's license seems unconstitutional.  The state is granted the right and duty to define carry requirements, not the counties.  NV used to have city & county laws and ordinances that contradicted state law as well, and the state changed it so state laws override lower laws.  I imagine that needs to happen here, too, if it'll ever change.

Anyway, they broke our momentum.  People who applied are probably now trying to afford and schedule their time to get the training.  It's not surprising the approvals are flowing like molasses.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

QUIETShooter

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #14 on: February 22, 2023, 08:35:41 PM »
All part of the plan. 

Disrupt.

Delay.

Discourage.

Because they no longer can deny.
Sometimes you gotta know when to save your bullets.

RSN172

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #15 on: February 22, 2023, 10:35:46 PM »
Ainokea wat dey do.
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mrgaf

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2023, 02:14:26 PM »
Heard today on KHVH that HPD Has received and is processing 600 completed applications per his discussion with Logan….gonna be awhile…..  :grrr:
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2023, 02:39:49 PM »
Heard today on KHVH that HPD Has received and is processing 600 completed applications per his discussion with Logan….gonna be awhile…..  :grrr:

And I imagine it'll take "awhile" each and every year when they all expire after a short 12 months.  They are creating a revolving backlog with inadequate resources to process applications in a reasonable amount of time.

Other states in which I received CCW permits had WRITEN IN THE LAW that processing would take up to 60 days.  If they took longer, you could request expedited approval unless there were circumstances beyond their control -- massive increase in demand, pandemic, ...

 :wtf:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

96707

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2023, 04:26:47 PM »
I said it before and I will say it again, Logan is purposely slow rolling this as he did with the chiefs rules. My predictions as follows:

Anyone who applies for a CCW in Honolulu county as of last week is wasting their time because the state and legislature controls implementation of CCW requirements and those new requirements will become law in May/June of 2023. The anti CCW bills have made it through all the committees and will become law. This will likely require new chief rules on Oahu and other counties will follow new state ccw requirements.

People with existing ccw permits will be voided (maybe ex post facto issue) or approved permits will be kept to a minimum, which is why they are slow rolling the process. Most people processing now will get a letter in June saying new laws please comply and apply in future

Kokohead will reopen after legislature moves for final votes to avoid  large opposition to ccw restrictions.

To do: 92F request for Chiefs calendars and meetings and any agenda items, as well as emails related to CCW discussions with subordinates, Mayors, Legislators. Then 92F regarding timing and closure of kokohead. This was all a plan in place for years in the even sup ct dud this.

Sit back and relax, CCW is dead in Hawaii for the next few years as the lawsuits make its way through fed dist ct, 9th circuit panel, 9th circuit en banc and then supreme court. I am not sure California lawsuits will help Hawaii given the sup ct ruling and historical basis analysis. Most stayes have different histories and that maybe a factual distinction sufficient to make a Hawaii or anybstate for thatvmatter analysis unique.

RSN172

Re: Per Logan 2/22/23
« Reply #19 on: February 23, 2023, 05:14:59 PM »
At least on the BI the judge threw out the firearm charges against a  guy that had his girlfriend's handgun. HRS 134 says you cannot loan a handgun, but that didn't matter.

Since den I kno two mo guys dat stay Ainokea carry.
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