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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: tim808 on June 04, 2024, 03:50:44 PM
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My youngest may be moving out of the house in a year. So I’m considering keeping a secured firearm in the bedroom when the last kid is gone. Right now all I have is a flashlight and pepper spray.
My wife is somewhat familiar with semi auto shotguns due to trap. I got them for trap…not HD….so only the moss 930 can take a mount for a light.
We have a 38 special revolver. I’m thinking that might work…..simple…. Just pull the trigger. But can’t mount a light
We also have two 9mm ar’s, various 556/7.62x39 ar’s and various 9mm pistols that have lights.
But for some reason, I keep considering the revolver
Maybe the revolver for her and an ar-9 for me?? Or a cz P-07 for me?
I’m not keen on a regular ar….in case I forget to use ear pro…..I’m old and my hearing isn’t the greatest…I don’t want to lose a lot more if I forget ear pro
How does a revolver for her and a cz p-07 with a light…both with iwb holsters sound?
Will still have the pepper spray and would use that first.
We also have 2 dogs in our enclosed lanai ….next to the only usable door ….and they have access to the entire yard
Or just stay with pepper spray?? It’s all I’ve had for decades……and a machete….
Tnx!!
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in my dresser drawer I have a LCR 38sp and a Security Six 357. both are loaded with 38sp+p hornady defensive ammo. use a hand held flashlight with these revolvers. this is my 1st line of defense
also have a 1911 with light and loaded with 45acp speer gold dot ammo. 2nd line of defense
also have AR ready to go with light and defensive ammo. 3rd line of defense when shit gets real :thumbsup:
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You and your wife use what ever you're comfortable with and accurate. Remember, every missed shot is a potential lawsuit.
Some say that their pistol is only there so they can get to their rifle.
In my XP, let your wife choose what she wants to use, then go with her to practice with it. Compared to you tell her what to use and she may not want to practice with it. THis would also include a new gun if she wants one.
There was a mag lawsuit in CA that the husband was fighting the bad guys and the wife showed up with the pistol. She ran out of ammo (revolver, so 6 shots on average). Husband died. This was pre Bruen.
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one consideration is that handheld light you don't have to point the gun at something to ID it...
so i think revolver and handheld would be good...
My youngest may be moving out of the house in a year. So I’m considering keeping a secured firearm in the bedroom when the last kid is gone. Right now all I have is a flashlight and pepper spray.
My wife is somewhat familiar with semi auto shotguns due to trap. I got them for trap…not HD….so only the moss 930 can take a mount for a light.
We have a 38 special revolver. I’m thinking that might work…..simple…. Just pull the trigger. But can’t mount a light
We also have two 9mm ar’s, various 556/7.62x39 ar’s and various 9mm pistols that have lights.
But for some reason, I keep considering the revolver
Maybe the revolver for her and an ar-9 for me?? Or a cz P-07 for me?
I’m not keen on a regular ar….in case I forget to use ear pro…..I’m old and my hearing isn’t the greatest…I don’t want to lose a lot more if I forget ear pro
How does a revolver for her and a cz p-07 with a light…both with iwb holsters sound?
Will still have the pepper spray and would use that first.
We also have 2 dogs in our enclosed lanai ….next to the only usable door ….and they have access to the entire yard
Or just stay with pepper spray?? It’s all I’ve had for decades……and a machete….
Tnx!!
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Mac
Good point about a handheld light. That and the pepper spray/gel are the first things coming out
Stang/Oil
You folks don’t use pepper spray/gel or some other non-lethal for first line?
I just want them out of my house.
The machete would come out as an incentive if they dont want to leave after the pepper spray/gel
And finally the handguns would come out as a bigger incentive
Im thinking the realistic odds of someone sticking around after getting sprayed and seeing a machete and handgun are almost zero. And them getting thru 10 9mm HPs and 6 38 special HPs to still face a manong with a machete. I’m thinking they will likely leave at that point.
I’m thinking I’m more likely to die from a kid texting while driving than a meth head getting thru my 2dogs/my locked door/pepper gel/9mm HP/38 HP/manong with a machete to kill me???
Unless they have a dead wish or doing suicide by home owner
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In my opinion .....
Adults at home are more likely to need a firearm during the day. Thieves like to target homes where it looks like everyone is at school and/or work. Even home invasions are more likely then. Fewer people in the area equals less resistance or witnesses.
Even if the Sun has set, you still have a lot of time before the lights are off. This is to say you might be counting on needing a weapon light more than is likely. You probably want to keep a handheld light by your bed anyway for safety, so that to me is the light to use if you're checking out suspicious noises. Remember the rules of gun safety? Pointing a weapon-mounted light at someone is breaking at least one of them. God forbid you get startled while it's pointed at a non-threat and cause a negligent discharge.
If I heard a noise from my dark bedroom, i'd be turning on lights as i walk through to see what's going on and to identify the intruder if there is one. I'd rather scare a burglar away with lights than have to confront them alone (might be multiple). The best way to win a fight is to avoid it altogether.
I think the best handgun choice is the one both of you are comfortable operating under stress. Having said that, one thing to factor into that equation is firepower. Revolvers with 5, 6 or 7 rounds are normally sufficient, but what if it's not? Maybe a 10+1 handgun is a better choice, along with a spare mag or two.
i'd recommend a fast open handgun safe for when you're not in the same room with the gun. It'll deter at least casual thieves (cable guy, carpenter, etc.) without interfering too much with access. It's also a good idea if you have grandkids or nieces and nephews visiting frequently.
I keep a weapon light attached with 10+1 AND a handheld light next to my fast action safe. I also keep some rather large folding knives upstairs and down as a failsafe.
Things to think about.
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one consideration is that handheld light you don't have to point the gun at something to ID it...
so i think revolver and handheld would be good...
what revolver and light do you have?
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Mac
Good point about a handheld light. That and the pepper spray/gel are the first things coming out
Stang/Oil
You folks don’t use pepper spray/gel or some other non-lethal for first line?
I just want them out of my house.
The machete would come out as an incentive if they dont want to leave after the pepper spray/gel
And finally the handguns would come out as a bigger incentive
Im thinking the realistic odds of someone sticking around after getting sprayed and seeing a machete and handgun are almost zero. And them getting thru 10 9mm HPs and 6 38 special HPs to still face a manong with a machete. I’m thinking they will likely leave at that point.
I’m thinking I’m more likely to die from a kid texting while driving than a meth head getting thru my 2dogs/my locked door/pepper gel/9mm HP/38 HP/manong with a machete to kill me???
Unless they have a dead wish or doing suicide by home owner
What if the intruder has a weapon say a gun. What if there are more than 1. The average home invasion in HI is by 2 people. You assume that once they get hit with the spray, they are unarmed and want to leave.
I know a guy who's home was being broken into by removing the gelousies. The homeowner had a WML on his AR and shined the light at the guy removing the gelousies. This didn't stop him from removing them. So the homeowner then pointed the WML at the ceiling to also illuminate the rifle. This the bad guy saw the rifle and then ran away.
So just because you have a gun, doesn't mean you have to fire it. If the bad guy sees your gun and still comes at you, then that means he's motivated and wants to harm you guys and you will be glad you had the firearm as 1st draft choice.
Say you spray the 1 person and he does have a knife. Now he's blind and doesn't know how to leave your home. So now he's making slashing motions in a panic due to being blind. Is he in your bedroom when this happens? Or is he in the living room? Replace knife with a gun and now he's popping off rounds while blinded. Add in his friends who were in the other room now come to his aid.
There are thousands of what if's that can happen.
In the end, it's up to you.
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And them getting thru 10 9mm HPs and 6 38 special HPs to still face a manong with a machete. I’m thinking they will likely leave at that point.
The other plaintiffs in the CA lawsuit all ran out of ammo. 1 was in a bathrobe and had only 10 rounds and no spare mag. Over 60 holes were found in the home where the gunfight took place. Which means bad guys had more than 10rd mags and spares.
The other plantiff also ran out of ammo, but wasn't in a bathrobe. Mags were in another room. The plantiff was wounded by the bad guys. This is why I keep mags in every room.
Then add in the guy who died that I mentioned above about the revolver and running out of ammo.
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none...
what revolver and light do you have?
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I do have pepper spray that I will use to spray and get away. but in my house, I'm already backed into a corner and probably can't get away. if I can't get away and the intruder keeps moving forward then I will proceed to the following:
if there is a home invader in my house that I did not invite into my house, odds are they ain't there to sell me girl scout cookies
I'll give them verbal warning they got 1 second to turn around and run. if they don't, they gonna wish they did
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I got a dawg.
But not near the bed because he smells bad.
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WML vs. handheld obviously involves trade-offs. WML lets you put both hands on the gun, but handheld gives more options.
One option with a WML is point it up at the ceiling and activate… the light disperses through the room remarkably well, provided your light produces a reasonable amount of lumens. Clearly a different story if you’re outside, but that seems pretty unlikely in a home defense situation.
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If they (intruders) are in my house I will make like Tuco. :shaka:
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If they (intruders) are in my house I will make like Tuco. :shaka:
You think you'll have time to draw a bubble bath?
:geekdanc:
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I don't do it here in Hawaii as all my guns are in WA state, But I kept a Browning 12 Ga. Auto five by the bed
most of my life.
I took it out of he safe at bed time and put it back as I dressed for work.
I recently inherited a Model 1897 slam fire Winchester 12 Ga. Germans in WW I
hated that gun in trench warfare because you can make a mess in tight quarters very quickly.
Beauty of shotguns is they are accurate even when you are half asleep.
Minimal wall penetration outside the home.
you can do head shots, arms and legs. very easily if body armor is a problem.
My $0.02 worth.
:geekdanc:
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A glock 19 and a Ruger LCRX with 3" barrel in .22 mag. The safe is near the bed and that has many tools but I think the 9mm Keltec Sub200 would be my bump in the night long gun.
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14” double sided
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14” double sided
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14” double sided
All jokes aside, what if you stripped naked and began touching yourself and approaching the intruder? Would they stay or think you're crazy and leave. But what if they too strip naked, now you're in even deeper kimchi.
There's a prankster who goes to the hood and calls people out. And of course, they don't back down and start throwing gang signs as they approach him to fight. He then takes off his clothes and was wearing a Borat bikini. They all ran away. But, IDK how much was edited out of guys who didn't run.
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On a serious note, my bedside gun has a WML on it. Because odds are, someone would break in while you're sleeping if you're home. To reach the light switch that is across the room, may not be possible in time. My AR also has a light on it. Mrs. CMO's AR doesn't have a light on it as it's 3rd draft choice if it's needed.
My EDC gun has no light as it would add extra weight and I'm not LEO where I need to be scanning in the dark when outside my home. But I do EDC a handheld light anyways.
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14” double sided
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Instead of bitch slapped they get d**k slapped. 14" of D**k across the face. woo hoo!
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You think you'll have time to draw a bubble bath?
:geekdanc:
LOL! Minus the bubble bath.
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14” double sided
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Instead of bitch slapped they get d**k slapped. 14" of D**k across the face. woo hoo!
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Sword fight😲
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I no need any weapon. I would shower them with so much Aloha that they would feel bad and leave.
Ahh, da powah of da Aloha Spirit.
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I'll show intruders aloha. 158 grains at a time
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Thanks guys for all the good info!!
We rarely go to the range now
- stopped going during covid
- then the lead issue
- then having to make reservations (we usually go with a group of coworkers….so we used to go early so we could all stay together)
- grandkids
- other interests (tennis, golf, etc)
So I’ll likely still keep a revolver in the room for her since it is simpler to use and she doesn’t have much time with handguns. She mostly shot a bull barrel ruger mark 3 22lr semiauto when we went to silly. She didn’t like 9mm pistols. We still have to go back to the range to shoot the revolver. I’m thinking/hoping she will like shooting the 38 special revolver. I hear they are relatively tame/mild. (Reminder to keep earpro and a headlight or handheld light next to it)
I think I’ll also keep one of the semi auto shotguns in the bedroom with earpro….since she has some experience at trap. (Reminder to buy some #4 buckshot. And a light mount and a light)
Good point about pepper gel not being ideal if they have handguns
So now I’m thinking of using an AR…..scary looking….and can overmatch bad guys with handguns if they decide to still stick around. Im thinking my AR in 7.62x39…cause I ran across YouTubers saying 556 sucks so they use 308 rifles (Tim on MAC). I don’t have an AR10 but I do have a 7.62x39 AR and SP ammo.
(I’m sure 556 is fine for 99.99% of home scenarios…so maybe I’ll go 556….i can see myself changing back and forth on this depending on what I’m watching on YT)
I have a mounted light on it. Using a handheld light while holding a longarm might be challenging. Maybe get a headlight??
Thanks for the suggestions and guidance! It’s a big step up from a light and pepper spray…and a machete.
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So now I’m thinking of using an AR…..scary looking….and can overmatch bad guys with handguns if they decide to still stick around. Im thinking my AR in 7.62x39…cause I ran across YouTubers saying 556 sucks so they use 308 rifles (Tim on MAC). I don’t have an AR10 but I do have a 7.62x39 AR and SP ammo.
(I’m sure 556 is fine for 99.99% of home scenarios…so maybe I’ll go 556….i can see myself changing back and forth on this depending on what I’m watching on YT)
I have a friend who bought his first rifle and got the AR platform in AK rounds. The mag was like an AK and so was the mag release. This takes some practice to insert and release. Comapred to the AR 556 platform, it's much easier. So this may be a factor if the wife ever needed to use the rifle.
I've had my AR for some years now and have trailed with it. When I use an AK platform, I have trouble inserting the mag due to having no practice doing it.
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Generally, Mrs. CMO and I train for various events. Esp now with CCW and EDCing a firearm.
THe hard part would be the unknown situations, but what training has taught us is you train thru the problem. Figure it out. Which is the main thing we learned taking HDF skill builders. Just because there's a jam or something, the exercise doesn't stop. Yeah, your time will suck, but finish the exercise and solve the problem.
If you're wife is interested "Bows and Bullets" host women only events a few times a year. The most recent one was last month at the GOP HQ on Kapiolani Blvd. There was no live shooting, but basic handgun safety and there was supposted to be a OC spray lecture, but the teacher was sick. I think the next one might be in October.
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CMO - thanks for the heads up on the women only events!! Didn’t know we have women only events!
I’m thinking maybe we’ll try to also do trap again so she can get more reps. Shooting trap isn’t ideal training for HD but at least she gets some kind of trigger time.
I think our biggest issue is making time to get to the range. She is looking at joining tennis leagues which likely means me attending the matches for support and helping to train her and her teammates
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Be sure that any firearms to be used by either of you are joint registered. :geekdanc:
You don't want to be guilty of her illegally possessing,or controlling your firearm and you don't want her guilty of illegally possessing or controlling your firearm.
Multiply penalty if non-registered owner discharges said firearm.
So I’ll likely still keep a revolver in the room for her since it is simpler to use and she doesn’t have much time with handguns. She mostly shot a bull barrel ruger mark 3 22lr semiauto when we went to silly. She didn’t like 9mm pistols. We still have to go back to the range to shoot the revolver. I’m thinking/hoping she will like shooting the 38 special revolver. I hear they are relatively tame/mild. (Reminder to keep earpro and a headlight or handheld light next to it)
I think I’ll also keep one of the semi auto shotguns in the bedroom with earpro….since she has some experience at trap. (Reminder to buy some #4 buckshot. And a light mount and a light)
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Be sure that any firearms to be used by either of you are joint registered. :geekdanc:
You don't want to be guilty of her illegally possessing,or controlling your firearm and you don't want her guilty of illegally possessing or controlling your firearm.
Multiply penalty if non-registered owner discharges said firearm.
This def goes for handguns. Because if you're not near her or home, you cannot let her use it.
For rifle/shotty, you have to make sure you tell HPD that you allowed her to "borrow" it as of that day. HI law gives a 15 day borrow for in state. If you forget to say this, then see above like the handgun.
I mean, you should be keeping your mouth shut anyways and so should your wife, until you speak to a lawyer. But in a high stress situation, one might forget and answer this question by HPD "did your husband let you borrow the gun?".
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Gun laws in Hawaii were engineered to entrap you.
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Gun laws in Hawaii were engineered to entrap you.
Yes they are. Imagine if HIFICO wasn't around.
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Gun laws in Hawaii were engineered to entrap you.
Hawaii is a state run by Japanese, Chinese, and Hawaiians.
All those cultures despise individual freedom.
What do you expect?
:grrr:
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Hawaii is a state run by Japanese, Chinese, and Hawaiians.
All those cultures despise individual freedom.
What do you expect?
:grrr:
I expect educated, fair, and logical people running the state. Not a bunch of self-serving greedy asshats.
Don't care what culture or ethnicity they are from.
And don't tell me caucasians can do any better. An asshat is an asshat.
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If you live alone, then fogger OC might make sense. Flood the house with OC and stay behind a locked door.
Going to suck cleaning it up later tho.
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Rocky
Good point!! I didn’t think of that at all
I assume we still have to get permits because of the background check.
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Zip
Damn….didnt even know there was such a thing as OC foggers!!
Wow!! Pop a can and just toss it in the hallway….nasty!!!!
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Revolver with 38sp+p defensive ammo will be very effective for an average home defense
That's my first line of defense. I'm confident that will do the job
Go to an indoor range and practice close range shooting from a ready position. Practice is key
Fast is fine, but accuracy is final :thumbsup:
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Rocky
Good point!! I didn’t think of that at all
I assume we still have to get permits because of the background check.
Yes, which would also probably require the "New and Improved" 2024 Safety Course to include "HRS § 134-2(g)(4) requirements of the safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home, as well as a component on mental health, suicide prevention, domestic violence issues associated with firearms, firearm violence and Education on the firearm laws of the State of Hawaii." to obtain Permit to Acquire.
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Rocky - Dang!!! Thank you for mentioning that…forgot that she needs to take the new class.
Edited to add:
I’ll have her take the hunters ed class so I can register the long guns to her. Will keep a shotgun or 9mm AR in the bedroom for her. The 7.62x39 AR for me
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Sort of related to this discussion....
A new tiktok video challenge where teens kick your front door late at night.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/14/two-teens-arrested-after-participating-exceptionally-dangerous-tiktok-challenge/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1RtRy5L5DQ10fbu9j-WdspjjQbRG8ez3qb6K9g9qQu2SOkCqTAsST1u44_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw
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Sort of related to this discussion....
A new tiktok video challenge where teens kick your front door late at night.
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2024/06/14/two-teens-arrested-after-participating-exceptionally-dangerous-tiktok-challenge/?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR1RtRy5L5DQ10fbu9j-WdspjjQbRG8ez3qb6K9g9qQu2SOkCqTAsST1u44_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw
Luckily for these stupid teens there is rule of law. If it was a WROL type of situation their mamas would be weeping.
"But he was such a good boy.......boo hoo......" :'(
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I though it couldnt get worst than tide pods.
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I though it couldnt get worst than tide pods.
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