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General Topics => Political Discussion => Topic started by: Flapp_Jackson on January 23, 2025, 01:27:39 PM
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Latest number of illegals being deported under the "sweep" i saw is 5,400.
Not enough space for all the ":thumbsup:" this deserves!
https://youtu.be/SbESWoKW9n4
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US Military Ordering THOUSANDS of Troops To Border,
Prep Military Aircraft To Assist In Deportations
https://youtu.be/dtUqX3k2oK4
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Pentagon CONFIRMS Air Force Flights To Begin
DEPORTATION NOW, Democrats Are LOSING IT
https://youtu.be/FL_muVYQJIo
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DOJ To INVESTIGATE State & Local Officials
Who OBSTRUCT Immigration Enforcement
https://youtu.be/Izxfp4yngfY
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I'm OK with y tax dollars being spend on this.
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DEI is DOA!!
Trump ENDS All DEI Departments In
The Federal Government, MAGA Is WINNING
https://youtu.be/m4bfaa-ISbo
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I'm OK with y tax dollars being spend on this.
One libtarded interviewer asked the new Homeland Security Director what the cost of deporting the number of illegals they propose to deport would be? She said she'd heard it will cost over a billion dollars.
He said he doesn't care. if they are here illegally, they need to be deported. It's the law.
I think another analysis/argument might be ... rather than say Trump is going to spend $X billion to deport, how much could have been saved by building a border barrier, preventing border crossings, and deporting the one's who make it into the US under Biden? Instead, Biden created a massive problem designed to overwhelm the system so the only justifiable solution would be to grant asylum for them all.
Trump is going to repair the system and remove the illegals as quickly as possible so deportations can happen before any Liberals are granted injunctions to try and stop him.
Gir 'er done!!
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One libtarded interviewer asked the new Homeland Security Director what the cost of deporting the number of illegals they propose to deport would be? She said she'd heard it will cost over a billion dollars.
He said he doesn't care. if they are here illegally, they need to be deported. It's the law.
I think another analysis/argument might be ... rather than say Trump is going to spend $X billion to deport, how much could have been saved by building a border barrier, preventing border crossings, and deporting the one's who make it into the US under Biden? Instead, Biden created a massive problem designed to overwhelm the system so the only justifiable solution would be to grant asylum for them all.
Trump is going to repair the system and remove the illegals as quickly as possible so deportations can happen before any Liberals are granted injunctions to try and stop him.
Gir 'er done!!
Add in the priceless cost to people who were killed by someone who should have been here to begin with. Then the priceless cost of crimes these illegals commit such as rape, sodomy, drug dealing, kidnapping, etc...There is no way to know which if any they would commit, but the entire concept of them not being here in the 1st place plays.
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Add in the priceless cost to people who were killed by someone who should have been here to begin with. Then the priceless cost of crimes these illegals commit such as rape, sodomy, drug dealing, kidnapping, etc...There is no way to know which if any they would commit, but the entire concept of them not being here in the 1st place plays.
There are websites that track to cost to society of illegals being in the US. They factor in things like schools that need to accommodate larger populations, bi-lingual teachers, roads to hold the traffic, government assistance (including federal and state "tax refunds" many qualify for through all the tax credits), larger police and other government services, etc. That doesn't even touch on the depression of wages when illegals work for less than citizens, saving themselves and employers money in taxes, benefits and insurance.
Right now the cost of illegal immigration is estimated nationally to be $150.7 Billion -- and that's PER YEAR!!
https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/fiscal-burden-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers-2023
Based on their use rate of major welfare programs, we estimate that illegal immigrants
receive $42 billion in benefits, or about 4 percent of the total cost of the cash, Medicaid,
food and housing programs examined in our study. However, this is only a rough
approximation due to limitations in the data.
https://www.congress.gov/118/meeting/house/116727/witnesses/HHRG-118-JU01-Wstate-CamarotaS-20240111.pdf
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This is why they don't like Trump. He shows what can be done in little time. Not just about illegals, but other issues as well. He showed this between 2016-2020 as well.
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Leftists are literally going insane over the recent ICE raids. Just saw a live report of the Newark, NJ mayor and city officials trying to give legal advice to "immigrants" to learn their rights, the limits on where ICE agents can go, etc.
If these people spent as much time working to support actual immigrants instead of illegal aliens, none of this would be happening.
Waiting for their poster boy "Jorge Floyd" to go viral after he dies while resisting apprehension.
:wacko:
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Just saw a scrolling blip on Fox saying Hamas is releasing 4 Israeli female hostages on Saturday.
Trump traveled to NC to meet with Hurricane Helene victims where he mentioned how they need to see about disbanding FEMA and allowing the governors and local emergency agencies to handle the disasters that hit their own states.
He also made a trip to CA to meet with gov Newsom over the wildfires.
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U should see the TDS on SSH with incorrect facts by leftist pages the person is sharing.
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What really upsets me is all of this stuff that rightfully needs to be corrected was caused by a retarded POTUS, and inept vice president, and a corrupt administration this past 4 years.
Trump will do a great job. I really believe he will. But the country is so helplessly polarized and the respect for the highest office of our country is gone.
If you look what that puke general milley (millie?) :rofl: did by overstepping his authority and state and school officials proudly proclaiming they will resist Trumps executive orders, you see that the seeds of a collapsing country is dangerously close.
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ICE announces arrests of 3 illegal immigrants in Massachusetts
charged with child rape on Wednesday
The Massachusetts GOP (MassGOP) issued scathing remarks toward
Democrats Gov. Maura Healey and Boston Mayor Michelle Wu after
U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) announced the arrests
of three illegal immigrants on child rape charges.
Healey and Wu have both been vocal about their opposition to President-
elect Donald Trump’s campaign promise to conduct mass deportations of
illegal immigrants once he returns to the Oval Office in January.
This month, Healey vowed that her state police will "absolutely not" cooperate
with the expected mass deportation effort by the incoming Trump administration,
warning that she will use "every tool in the toolbox" to "protect" residents in the
blue state.
Wu also took a stance against Trump during an interview on Sunday, saying
her city will not cooperate with the incoming administration's looming mass
deportation operation despite the region seeing a number of illegal immigrants
with criminal charges getting released back onto the streets.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/massachusetts-gop-slams-liberal-leaders-illegal-immigrants-accused-child-rape-arrested-ice
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State Department freezes foreign aid spending with the exception of Israel and Egypt until aid programs are reviewed.
That makes sense, seeing how the government is still operating without a budget (CSR).
:thumbsup:
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State Department freezes foreign aid spending with the exception of Israel and Egypt until aid programs are reviewed.
That makes sense, seeing how the government is still operating without a budget (CSR).
:thumbsup:
e.g. Pakistan gender studies
humanitarian aid to Taliban
humanitarian aid to Hamas
etc.
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American hostage released by Hamas Saturday in Gaza under the ceasefire deal Trump and his team negotiated.
The news loves to include crap like "President Donald Trump took credit for Siegel's release in a statement Saturday." Anyone else able to take credit? Biden tried to on his way out the door, but after 15+ months of waiting, we all know the truth.
This hostage, Keith Siegel, is originally from Chapel Hill, North Carolina. He was taken hostage along with his wife, Aviva Siegel in 2023. She was released during the brief 2023 ceasefire and has waged a long campaign to free her husband and the other hostages.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/panama-pledges-end-key-canal-deal-china-work-us-after-rubio-visit
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https://www.foxnews.com/world/panama-pledges-end-key-canal-deal-china-work-us-after-rubio-visit
State Department estimates around 72% of all vessels that travel
through the Panama Canal are coming from or going to a US port
That's a big deal.
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State Department estimates around 72% of all vessels that travel
through the Panama Canal are coming from or going to a US port
That's a big deal.
No.
Forcing a sovereign nation to cease growing its economy with China due to the jealously of the US empire is a much evil bigger deal.
So much for America preserving other nations' freedom to choose their future economy destiny from tyranny...
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Reports are that Elon and his team are locking staff out from their computers. And saving data to prevent it from being deleted. How else did DOGE find billions of wasted funds in 10 days?
Of course the TDS'er are complaining about how they're storing the data like it's a regular person with a thumb drive who isn't allowed to do so. They also have teams of security there escorting DOGE workers. 1 thing DOGE found is that government procurement departments never deny or question funds, even though they're going to a known terrorist org.
Zelinski also said that Ukraine has only received half of the billions that was said to have gone to them. I wonder why he's speaking up now that DOGE is auditing?
This tells me that DOGE planned this weeks in advance and was ready to go once Trump gave the go-ahead.
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No.
Forcing a sovereign nation to cease growing its economy with China due to the jealously of the US empire is a much evil bigger deal.
So much for America preserving other nations' freedom to choose their future economy destiny from tyranny...
Countries 1st priority are their self interest. Once that's at an acceptable amount, then they "spread the wealth".
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Countries 1st priority are their self interest. Once that's at an acceptable amount, then they "spread the wealth".
I agree, but it was apparent that it was in Panama's as well as a great number of other nations' interest to join China's Belt and Road Initiative.
The US empire forcing Panama to change its course is not what a nation's freedom is all about.
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I agree, but it was apparent that it was in Panama's as well as a great number of other nations' interest to join China's Belt and Road Initiative.
The US empire forcing Panama to change its course is not what a nation's freedom is all about.
So you rather have it run by China than the US (you're own country that you live in)?
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Past administrations believe that since we are the leading country in the world, that we should take care of others as well. Global kumbaya doctrine.
Some administrations (and I believe this current one as well,) believe we should take care of our country first. It's people first. It's economy, wealth, and security first.
It's nice to think and take care of other people. We do it all the time, but the bottom line is this:
When push comes to shove, we will always take care of our family and friends first.
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Mexico tarriffs on 30 day pause as Mexico is now working with us.
Canada tariffs on 30 day pause as Canada will help with the fentyl coming into the US from their side. Also name cartels as a terrorist org as well and combat them and money laundering for drugs.
Only took a few days. What has Brandon been doing for 4 years?
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I agree, but it was apparent that it was in Panama's as well as a great number of other nations' interest to join China's Belt and Road Initiative.
The US empire forcing Panama to change its course is not what a nation's freedom is all about.
Exactly what kind of "force" did Rubio use?
When "around 72%" of your customers are going to/from US ports, maybe the only "force" used was Panama wanting to cater to their best customers and not risk China rocking the boat? [pun intended]
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Mexico tarriffs on 30 day pause as Mexico is now working with us.
Canada tariffs on 30 day pause as Canada will help with the fentyl coming into the US from their side. Also name cartels as a terrorist org as well and combat them and money laundering for drugs.
Only took a few days. What has Brandon been doing for 4 years?
More fentanyl goes from the USA into Canada than from Canada to the USA so it is rather hypocritical to be applying pressure to Canada over fentanyl moving across the border.
Plus much of the fentanyl originates from China so they are the ones we really need to hit with tariffs to stop the fentanyl.
Ultimately I don't blame other countries for sending us drugs, I blame ourselves. It isn't Mexico's fault we have so many degenerate drug users, they are just supplying the economic demand we have created. The drug problem will never be solved with a more secure border, it will only be solved when we get our own house in order.
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More fentanyl goes from the USA into Canada than from Canada to the USA so it is rather hypocritical to be applying pressure to Canada over fentanyl moving across the border.
Plus much of the fentanyl originates from China so they are the ones we really need to hit with tariffs to stop the fentanyl.
Ultimately I don't blame other countries for sending us drugs, I blame ourselves. It isn't Mexico's fault we have so many degenerate drug users, they are just supplying the economic demand we have created. The drug problem will never be solved with a more secure border, it will only be solved when we get our own house in order.
How come Canada isn't asking for the same then? Either they want drugs to get in, they didn't know that they're coming in, or don't care.
China is part of the tariffs. Not everything is 25% tariffed, but only certain items. So now 10% for everything and those already hit at 25% will go up to 35%.
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How come Canada isn't asking for the same then? Either they want drugs to get in, they didn't know that they're coming in, or don't care.
China is part of the tariffs. Not everything is 25% tariffed, but only certain items. So now 10% for everything and those already hit at 25% will go up to 35%.
I don't know what sort of concessions were made on the USA side with Canada so I don't know if they asked for something similar.
I did see it reported that the USA agreed to help restrict the number of firearms that were crossing the border into Mexico in exchange for the Mexican military being used to restrict fentanyl from going north.
I think tariffs against China make a lot of sense but I think this trade war we are risking with Mexico and Canada are not smart moves. Trump called NAFTA 2, which he negotiated, the best agreement ever and now he is shaking things up again complaining about the old deal. Maybe we will get something out of it in some areas but we are going to suffer in other areas. I haven't even seen any good reasons to put tariffs on Canada, the argument can be made to do it to Mexico but not Canada. We import so much fuel from them, a 25% tariff is just going to mean Americans are paying more for gas (before taxes).
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I don't know what sort of concessions were made on the USA side with Canada so I don't know if they asked for something similar.
I did see it reported that the USA agreed to help restrict the number of firearms that were crossing the border into Mexico in exchange for the Mexican military being used to restrict fentanyl from going north.
I think tariffs against China make a lot of sense but I think this trade war we are risking with Mexico and Canada are not smart moves. Trump called NAFTA 2, which he negotiated, the best agreement ever and now he is shaking things up again complaining about the old deal. Maybe we will get something out of it in some areas but we are going to suffer in other areas. I haven't even seen any good reasons to put tariffs on Canada, the argument can be made to do it to Mexico but not Canada. We import so much fuel from them, a 25% tariff is just going to mean Americans are paying more for gas (before taxes).
Someone missed econ class and what was going on. I remember when they said we would have a trade war in 2016-2020, then Trump ended up selling rice and soy to China.
Look into how much oil the US has and if not for regulatons, how much would we need to buy from outside the US. Then come back here and review your fuel statement.
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Someone missed econ class and what was going on. I remember when they said we would have a trade war in 2016-2020, then Trump ended up selling rice and soy to China.
Look into how much oil the US has and if not for regulatons, how much would we need to buy from outside the US. Then come back here and review your fuel statement.
Even if Trump managed to change the whole picture of oil in the USA that would take a long time to have any effect on gas prices which means in the mean time a tariff on Canada is going to cost us more. Anyone who doesn't understand that we pay the cost of tariffs missed econ class.
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canada will never sanction us via oil
their oil is very dirty and they do not have the ability to refine it
guess who does?
we hold the "trump" card on oil...
Even if Trump managed to change the whole picture of oil in the USA that would take a long time to have any effect on gas prices which means in the mean time a tariff on Canada is going to cost us more. Anyone who doesn't understand that we pay the cost of tariffs missed econ class.
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Even if Trump managed to change the whole picture of oil in the USA that would take a long time to have any effect on gas prices which means in the mean time a tariff on Canada is going to cost us more. Anyone who doesn't understand that we pay the cost of tariffs missed econ class.
Bidens XO's caused our gas to jump big time in about a year. I'll guess any reversal would take about the same. Like his recent XO he signed just before leaving office about drilling. Luckily, Trump undid it before it had any impacts on the US.
Read Macs post, he put it in before I could. Thanks for playing. Or will u be back to move goal post?
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Exactly what kind of "force" did Rubio use?
Force not like actual military invasion, but how about the classic color revolution, classic assassination by paid off radical Islamist and/or communists, or suicided as possibilities which the US empire has employed in the past to achieve its foreign policy.
When "around 72%" of your customers are going to/from US ports, maybe the only "force" used was Panama wanting to cater to their best customers and not risk China rocking the boat? [pun intended]
Well, China never had control of the Panama Canal and it now clearly appears that ensuring Panama remains as one of the US empire's vassal states was the true goal by having Panama separate itself from China's Belt and Road Initiative and allowing US imperial vessels use the canal for free.
Feel sorry for the Panamanians as they will lose potential trade benefits from China and less canal transit revenue now not being able to charge passage by US imperial vessels. That's the cost of being a vassal state of the US empire.
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So you rather have it run by China than the US (you're own country that you live in)?
My opinion on who the Panamanians choose to run their canal ports is irrelevant as any other person who is not a Panamanian national.
The Panamanians own and control their canal and have the right to subcontract the actual running of their canal ports to who they choose. That kind of self-determination is what America stands for; doesn't it?
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My opinion on who the Panamanians choose to run their canal ports is irrelevant as any other person who is not a Panamanian national.
The Panamanians own and control their canal and have the right to subcontract the actual running of their canal ports to who they choose. That kind of self-determination is what America stands for; doesn't it?
How, exactly, has Panama been forced to make any decisions and not allowed to determine "the actual running of their canal ports?"
Seems your arguments are based on facts not in evidence.
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How, exactly, has Panama been forced to make any decisions and not allowed to determine "the actual running of their canal ports?"
Seems your arguments are based on facts not in evidence.
So are you saying Panama did not want to be part of China's Belt and Road Initiative and have Chinese companies run their canal ports because my facts say they did.
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Here's "my facts"
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/69/3d/a6693d0212c1234c199603532b06bee4.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/65/18/f465187163cb52f52ac8a53c0b491e6c.jpg)
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So are you saying Panama did not want to be part of China's Belt and Road Initiative and have Chinese companies run their canal ports because my facts say they did.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
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canada will never sanction us via oil
their oil is very dirty and they do not have the ability to refine it
guess who does?
we hold the "trump" card on oil...
I do not mean Canada putting a tariff on US oil but the US putting a tariff on Canadian crude. A tariff on Canada means it costs more for the raw material we turn into oil which means higher prices at the pump for us.
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How, exactly, has Panama been forced to make any decisions and not allowed to determine "the actual running of their canal ports?"
Seems your arguments are based on facts not in evidence.
When the leader of the USA says they are considering military force, that is taken seriously by a small country like them. They know they could never withstand the US military, there is no need for a threat to be made, merely the implication of an invasion is enough.
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You're entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.
My own facts? Is that the best rebuttal that you can offer?
Panama willingly joined China's Belt and Road Initiative and willingly subcontracted management of their canal ports to Chinese companies. These facts are not in dispute and are the same facts that I subscribe.
What facts or personal opinions are you using?
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My own facts? Is that the best rebuttal that you can offer?
Panama willingly joined China's Belt and Road Initiative and willingly subcontracted management of their canal ports to Chinese companies. These facts are not in dispute and are the same facts that I subscribe.
What facts or personal opinions are you using?
The fact that fear mongers like yourself kept warning Trump would use military force to invade Panama, yet that didn't even come close to happening. The smart man would deduce that the current agreement did not involve force, but rather a give-and-take negotiation.
"My" facts are THE facts.
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When the leader of the USA says they are considering military force, that is taken seriously by a small country like them. They know they could never withstand the US military, there is no need for a threat to be made, merely the implication of an invasion is enough.
Still leaving out that he was asked. And I'll re-type, should he just stare at the reporter and not reply?
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The fact that fear mongers like yourself kept warning Trump would use military force to invade Panama, yet that didn't even come close to happening.
So, what's your point? Of course, military force was not used because the Panamanian government caved in to the demands of the US empire. :shake:
The smart man would deduce that the current agreement did not involve force, but rather a give-and-take negotiation.
What kind of deal did Panama receive? You still allude to a deal being made, but you have no details to share what Panama got in return to capitulating to the demands of the US empire. :wtf:
From the facts that you clearly dodge, Panama forgoes Chinese trade opportunities from the Belt and Road Initiative and less government revenue now forced to allow US imperial naval ships access through the canal without paying a fee like everybody else.
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So, what's your point? Of course, military force was not used because the Panamanian government caved in to the demands of the US empire. :shake:
What kind of deal did Panama receive? You still allude to a deal being made, but you have no details to share what Panama got in return to capitulating to the demands of the US empire. :wtf:
From the facts that you clearly dodge, Panama forgoes Chinese trade opportunities from the Belt and Road Initiative and less government revenue now forced to allow US imperial naval ships access through the canal without paying a fee like everybody else.
Fact: The Panama Canal Repurchase Act, was introduced by Rep. Dusty Johnson, R-S.D., a member of the Select Committee on China and the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.
Fact: The Bill aims to allow the United States to repurchase the Panama Canal after Trump raised concerns that the critical waterway is under Chinese control.
Fact: José Raúl Mulino, Panama's president, said his nation's sovereignty over the 51-mile waterway, which connects the Pacific Ocean and the Caribbean Sea, will remain unchanged. But he said he would not renew a 2017 memorandum of understanding to join China’s Belt and Road global development initiative and that Panama would instead look to work more closely with the U.S.
i'm not sure why this is such a problem in your mind unless you're just pissed China is no longer in a position to use the canal against the US.
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Fact: The Panama Canal Repurchase Act, was introduced by Rep. Dusty Johnson, R-S.D., a member of the Select Committee on China and the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.
Fact: The Bill aims to allow the United States to repurchase the Panama Canal after Trump raised concerns that the critical waterway is under Chinese control.
I still don't understand what point you are trying to make.
So what if Congress drafts a bill to repurchase the Panama Canal? What does this prove?
Fact: José Raúl Mulino, Panama's president, said his nation's sovereignty over the 51-mile waterway, which connects the Pacific Ocean and the Caribbean Sea, will remain unchanged. But he said he would not renew a 2017 memorandum of understanding to join China’s Belt and Road global development initiative and that Panama would instead look to work more closely with the U.S.
So, the President of Panama just decided to end its economic agreement with China that would have resulted in positive economic benefits for its people in favor of working closely with the US empire that you have yet to share what benefits that brings to the Panamanians.
i'm not sure why this is such a problem in your mind unless you're just pissed China is no longer in a position to use the canal against the US.
I am just not a fan of US Imperialism and its bullying ways to other sovereign nations.
Also, it is purely the conjecture of anti-China US imperialists and neocons to even suggest that China would use the canal against any nation.
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I'm not a fan of flied lice either. We have enough China stuff here in Hawaii. Our local leaders already laid out the road for China for free. Of course they are not under ANY influence what so ever...
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I still don't understand what point you are trying to make.
So what if Congress drafts a bill to repurchase the Panama Canal? What does this prove?
So, the President of Panama just decided to end its economic agreement with China that would have resulted in positive economic benefits for its people in favor of working closely with the US empire that you have yet to share what benefits that brings to the Panamanians.
I am just not a fan of US Imperialism and its bullying ways to other sovereign nations.
Also, it is purely the conjecture of anti-China US imperialists and neocons to even suggest that China would use the canal against any nation.
Facts do not have to have a "point." But in this case, it seems there is no "force" being used to get Panama to listen to our proposals. Only an effort to potentially purchase the canal. That solves any national security issues for the US and might be a huge economic boost for Panama.
You're not a fan of the US at all. Any narrative you can latch onto that's anti-US brings you to the forum to spread that anti-US sentiment.
The evidence is indisputable.
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Facts do not have to have a "point." But in this case, it seems there is no "force" being used to get Panama to listen to our proposals. Only an effort to potentially purchase the canal. That solves any national security issues for the US and might be a huge economic boost for Panama.
What a way to apologize for US imperialism!
Tell me, what would have been the penalty if Panama did not want to listen and assent to the demands made by the US empire regarding their own canal?
Once more, you try to suggest that Panama would benefit financially from selling their canal to the US empire when any sane leader would be a fool to sell such a lucrative cash cow such as the Panama Canal to any nation unless threatened to do so.
You're not a fan of the US at all. Any narrative you can latch onto that's anti-US brings you to the forum to spread that anti-US sentiment.
Stop making up stories.
I am a great admirer of the former American Republic and staunch opponent to neocons and any forms of imperialism. Aren't you the same...
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Someone’s angry. Fentanyl sales down recently?
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What a way to apologize for US imperialism!
Tell me, what would have been the penalty if Panama did not want to listen and assent to the demands made by the US empire regarding their own canal?
Once more, you try to suggest that Panama would benefit financially from selling their canal to the US empire when any sane leader would be a fool to sell such a lucrative cash cow such as the Panama Canal to any nation unless threatened to do so.
Stop making up stories.
I am a great admirer of the former American Republic and staunch opponent to neocons and any forms of imperialism. Aren't you the same...
I don't care that you say you admired the America you believe once existed. The flip side to that is that you do not like the US today. Qualifying your anti-US bias doesn't make it any less obvious.
You are arguing the US is evil using something that did not happen as your evidence. What would be the penalty? No way to know, because Panama decided to entertain our position.
Where are "your facts?" All I see from you is accusations, speculation and supposition.
You shouldn't use a present tense phrase like "I am a great admirer" when the object of that phrase is "former American Republic" -- something that you believe no longer exists. It's more accurate to say you admired the former American Republic, since you no longer have any admiration for the present American Republic. You can call it imperialism as many times as you want, but the fact is, we are still an American Republic.
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Still leaving out that he was asked. And I'll re-type, should he just stare at the reporter and not reply?
He could say any number of things that wouldn't come across as threatening
"Military force is not being considered an option at this time"
"The current situation doesn't justify the use of military but we will re-evaluate if things change"
"I won't answer that because I don't want to show my whole hand"
Politicians give non-answers all the time so simply side stepping the question wouldn't be out of the norm anyway.
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He removed clearance not only from the 51 CIA officers who lied about hunters laptop, but Brandon himself. Following the precedent that Brandon did the same to him.
Also, removed the board from the Kennedy Center for allowing drag shows to children.
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He could say any number of things that wouldn't come across as threatening
"Military force is not being considered an option at this time"
"The current situation doesn't justify the use of military but we will re-evaluate if things change"
"I won't answer that because I don't want to show my whole hand"
Politicians give non-answers all the time so simply side stepping the question wouldn't be out of the norm anyway.
And all of that doesn't mean "no, I wont ever use military force". Thanks for trying to move goal post.
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And all of that doesn't mean "no, I wont ever use military force". Thanks for trying to move goal post.
Common TDS symptom. He doesn't have a problem with what Trump's message may be. He just has a problem with the words or way in which it was stated.
After all these years of pearl-clutching by the Left over how Trump speaks, it's obvious they haven't learned that none of that matters to Trump supporters. He is who he is. We know what we are getting in the package, so crying about any words he uses is just more snowflake behavior.
Obama was an excellent speaker and was rarely called out for his choice of phrases. He was also a horrible president. He even admitted in an interview that he'd failed in the area of economic growth and that meant he expected to be a one-term president. Getting elected to a second term doesn't prove he was effective. It just means he was able to run a winning campaign against Romney with the aid of the media.
if i have to prioritize a President's qualities, I'll take results over rhetoric.
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I'm not a fan of flied lice either. We have enough China stuff here in Hawaii. Our local leaders already laid out the road for China for free. Of course they are not under ANY influence what so ever...
I usually don't respond to your posts, but please share what information you have regarding China having its way in Hawaii.
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I don't care that you say you admired the America you believe once existed. The flip side to that is that you do not like the US today. Qualifying your anti-US bias doesn't make it any less obvious.
Interesting that you say that.
Americans who support MAGA also don't like what America is today as well; hence, MAGA! :geekdanc:
You are arguing the US is evil using something that did not happen as your evidence. What would be the penalty? No way to know, because Panama decided to entertain our position.
Stop rephrasing the positions I take saying what it isn't.
I am vocal opponent of neocons as well as imperialism and calling out the US empire's machinations to bully weak sovereign nations to get what it wants at the detriment of that nation's people.
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Interesting that you say that.
Americans who support MAGA also don't like what America is today as well; hence, MAGA! :geekdanc:
Stop rephrasing the positions I take saying what it isn't.
I am vocal opponent of neocons as well as imperialism and calling out the US empire's machinations to bully weak sovereign nations to get what it wants at the detriment of that nation's people.
It is possible to like something and simultaneously want to improve upon it. How many different versions on the iPhone and personal computers have we seen over the last 30-40 years?
I loved my IBM-compatible 8086 INTEL cpu, 1 megabyte of RAM, amber monochrome 12" screen, 1200 Baud modem, one 5-1/4" and one 3-1/2" floppy drive, 40mb internal hard drive running MS-DOS. That doesn't mean I haven't admired all the PCs, notebooks and network appliances that came along after.
Make America Great Again doesn't imply to me that America has become the evil imperial monster you paint it as. There is a scale of some degree between what you believe and where 'great' resides. I don't subscribe to your notion of where we are.
MAGA!!
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All China has to do is start selling out treasuries and we're totally boned.
So why don't they?
Turns out their imperial economy isn't doing so hot either.
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It is possible to like something and simultaneously want to improve upon it.
You are right but have to also concede that it is equally possible to not like something and want to improve it as well. :geekdanc:
Make America Great Again doesn't imply to me that America has become the evil imperial monster you paint it as.
Your entitled to your feelings on this issue; but it has done and continues to do some monstrous imperialistic things.
Engaging in illegal and proxy wars of aggression; instigating color revolutions and government overthrows; blowing up gas pipelines of its so-called allies; establishing military garrisons all over the World, and that's just the evil it has done on the foreign front.
On the domestic side, the Power Okole has been slowly shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights; purposely not stopping domestic organized crime from bringing in illegal drugs, narcotics, fentanyl, etc. that destroys its own communities; leaving the border open to illegal immigrants that keeps American wages low; and etc.
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So why don't they?
Turns out their imperial economy isn't doing so hot either.
The answer is quite simple.
Although China and the rest of BRICS are in the process of delinking, all of its member nations are still connected economically and financially to the US imperial system to varying degrees. It will still take some years for all of BRICS to equilibrate their economies and financial systems to a degree that insulates them from the collapsing US imperial "rules-based order".
Until then, China and the rest of BRICS will still suffer the unilateral sanctions and tariffs imposed by the US empire to the many nations of the multipolar free World.
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You are right but have to also concede that it is equally possible to not like something and want to improve it as well. :geekdanc:
Your entitled to your feelings on this issue; but it has done and continues to do some monstrous imperialistic things.
Engaging in illegal and proxy wars of aggression; instigating color revolutions and government overthrows; blowing up gas pipelines of its so-called allies; establishing military garrisons all over the World, and that's just the evil it has done on the foreign front.
On the domestic side, the Power Okole has been slowly shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights; purposely not stopping domestic organized crime from bringing in illegal drugs, narcotics, fentanyl, etc. that destroys its own communities; leaving the border open to illegal immigrants that keeps American wages low; and etc.
And you are free to characterize those things any way your little heart desires.
The biggest difference I see between the Left and Right in the US is the Left wants to destroy the framework of the nation's government and replace it with socialist and Marxist ideologies. The Right, those you call MAGA, want to get back to the basics where our government represents the needs of the people.
One of the biggest changes between the American Republic you admired is the population growth. I can see how a member of the house or Senate can represent the desires of one to ten thousand people. But today each representative votes on behalf of 747,000 constituents in their districts. That really needs to change. As we've seen for about a century, Congress tends to vote according to whichever side of an issue makes the most noise or the largest donation. Reelection has become the primary concern for Congress critters, and lobbyists have much more pull than John and Jane Public.
The radicals and activists want to ignore or eliminate the US Constitution except for the parts that support their agenda. There was a time when the hippies and professional protestors only made their voices heard in the media and in the streets. Those same radicals grew up, when to college, and now operate under the guise of public service. The fox is in the hen house.
Obama said in speeches he wants to fundamentally change America. You can't love something and simultaneously want to destroy its very foundation. The fundamentals ARE the country -- they are the basis for all that we are. So, yes, it's possible to not like something and want to improve it, but the Left wants to demolish it and start from scratch so we more closely resemble other countries. The comparisons with other nations are endless whether it's healthcare, firearm bans, education or the economy.
The US is a unique experiment that's lasted over 2 centuries. Those who seek power and riches have perverted and circumvented the law to do their bidding. This country was founded on the belief that most people will do what is right. With the attacks on religion and morality, I believe we've started down a path that can no longer trust anyone to do anything that's not in their own best interest.
That is the foundation we need to improve upon. If we simply accept that's how things are, we are going to be living in a Big Brother Totalitarian state sooner than you think.
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That is the foundation we need to improve upon. If we simply accept that's how things are,we are going to be living in a Big Brother Totalitarian state sooner than you think.
Everything you said is totally right.
The only difference in understanding is what you fear above I contend has already happened; hence, why I call always refer to the American Republic in past tense. In my view as similarly reflected by other Americans on the independent media as well as online content creators not already banned by X, Facebook, YouTube, etc., America is an empire that is in decline by the reasons shared ad nauseum by myself as well as other anti-neocons and anti-imperialists alike.
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https://gprivate.com/6fiij
unless there is a separate definition of "unilateral" that i'm not aware of...
The answer is quite simple.
Although China and the rest of BRICS are in the process of delinking, all of its member nations are still connected economically and financially to the US imperial system to varying degrees. It will still take some years for all of BRICS to equilibrate their economies and financial systems to a degree that insulates them from the collapsing US imperial "rules-based order".
Until then, China and the rest of BRICS will still suffer the unilateral sanctions and tariffs imposed by the US empire to the many nations of the multipolar free World.
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so the cartels are DOMESTIC organized crime?
You are right but have to also concede that it is equally possible to not like something and want to improve it as well. :geekdanc:
Your entitled to your feelings on this issue; but it has done and continues to do some monstrous imperialistic things.
Engaging in illegal and proxy wars of aggression; instigating color revolutions and government overthrows; blowing up gas pipelines of its so-called allies; establishing military garrisons all over the World, and that's just the evil it has done on the foreign front.
On the domestic side, the Power Okole has been slowly shredding the Constitution and Bill of Rights; purposely not stopping domestic organized crime from bringing in illegal drugs, narcotics, fentanyl, etc. that destroys its own communities; leaving the border open to illegal immigrants that keeps American wages low; and etc.
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so the cartels are DOMESTIC organized crime?
He must believe/have evidence that there are no gangs from foreign countries managing the illegal drug supply lines -- owned and operated by criminal organizations from those countries.
DEA Operation Last Mile Tracks Down
Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartel Associates
Operating within the United States
Operation Last Mile comprised 1,436 investigations conducted from
May 1, 2022 through May 1, 2023, in collaboration with federal, state
and local law enforcement partners, and resulted in 3,337 arrests and
the seizure of nearly 44 million fentanyl pills, more than 6,500 pounds
of fentanyl powder, more than 91,000 pounds of methamphetamine,
8,497 firearms, and more than $100 million.
“The Sinaloa and Jalisco Cartels use multi-city distribution networks,
violent local street gangs, and individual dealers across the United
States to flood American communities with fentanyl and methamphetamine,
drive addiction, fuel violence, and kill Americans,” said Administrator
Milgram. “What is also alarming—American social media platforms
are the means by which they do so. The Cartels use social media
and encrypted platforms to run their operations and reach out to victims,
and when their product kills Americans, they simply move on to try to
victimize the millions of other Americans who are social media users.”
https://www.dea.gov/press-releases/2023/05/05/dea-operation-last-mile-tracks-down-sinaloa-and-jalisco-cartel-associates
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And all of that doesn't mean "no, I wont ever use military force". Thanks for trying to move goal post.
Goalpost moving again?
You only asked if he should just not reply at all so I gave you good replies.
Of course Trump could have also just said "no" to the question and that would have been fine too. Stop trying to reframe the reporter's question so that there could be some hypothetical situation that would justify Trump's use of military force.
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Common TDS symptom. He doesn't have a problem with what Trump's message may be. He just has a problem with the words or way in which it was stated.
After all these years of pearl-clutching by the Left over how Trump speaks, it's obvious they haven't learned that none of that matters to Trump supporters. He is who he is. We know what we are getting in the package, so crying about any words he uses is just more snowflake behavior.
Obama was an excellent speaker and was rarely called out for his choice of phrases. He was also a horrible president. He even admitted in an interview that he'd failed in the area of economic growth and that meant he expected to be a one-term president. Getting elected to a second term doesn't prove he was effective. It just means he was able to run a winning campaign against Romney with the aid of the media.
if i have to prioritize a President's qualities, I'll take results over rhetoric.
Wrong.
Trump should not have said anything indicating he was considering military force because there is nothing which justifies using military force.
"He is who he is" and therefore what? We shouldn't call him out on his bad behavior? Funny I don't recall you saying "he is who he is" when Biden says a bunch of stupid stuff
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Goalpost moving again?
You only asked if he should just not reply at all so I gave you good replies.
Of course Trump could have also just said "no" to the question and that would have been fine too. Stop trying to reframe the reporter's question so that there could be some hypothetical situation that would justify Trump's use of military force.
SWOOOOSSSHHHHH hahahahahhha.
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Wrong.
Trump should not have said anything indicating he was considering military force because there is nothing which justifies using military force.
Read my hypothetical about nukes being kept.
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Wrong.
Trump should not have said anything indicating he was considering military force because there is nothing which justifies using military force.
"He is who he is" and therefore what? We shouldn't call him out on his bad behavior? Funny I don't recall you saying "he is who he is" when Biden says a bunch of stupid stuff
Is that based on the vast National Security & Military Training/Experience you've demonstrated so many times on here?
I didn't say Biden is who he is because most of the time we had NO IDEA what Biden was trying to say!!
Go argue somewhere else. The adults are having a discussion.
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Read my hypothetical about nukes being kept.
What does that have to do with Panama?
Face it, you have nothing to justify daddy Trump's comments. You are floundering here.
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Is that based on the vast National Security & Military Training/Experience you've demonstrated so many times on here?
I didn't say Biden is who he is because most of the time we had NO IDEA what Biden was trying to say!!
Go argue somewhere else. The adults are having a discussion.
Then start by having an adult conversation. What, in the situation with Panama at the time of Trump's comment, would justify the use of the military to take land from a soverign non-hostile nation? You and CMO keep beating around the bush here with no justification for Trump's comment.
So either man up and admit it was a stupid comment by Trump or explain who military force would be justifiable.
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What does that have to do with Panama?
Face it, you have nothing to justify daddy Trump's comments. You are floundering here.
OMG, you just forgot the hypothetical. This is what happens when you go by feelings.
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Then start by having an adult conversation. What, in the situation with Panama at the time of Trump's comment, would justify the use of the military to take land from a soverign non-hostile nation? You and CMO keep beating around the bush here with no justification for Trump's comment.
So either man up and admit it was a stupid comment by Trump or explain who military force would be justifiable.
I already explained what would justify it. You just refuse to accept it as you are once again wrong.
I'm enjoying your replies, it's funny how off people can be who claim to use logic.
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I already explained what would justify it. You just refuse to accept it as you are once again wrong.
I'm enjoying your replies, it's funny how off people can be who claim to use logic.
No you didn't, you explained what would justify it in hypothetical scenarios. I asked you to justify it with things the way they are now.
Give me more credit than that, you have to do a better bait and switch to trick me.
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OMG, you just forgot the hypothetical. This is what happens when you go by feelings.
Your responses are like shave ice without any syrup or toppings.
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No you didn't, you explained what would justify it in hypothetical scenarios. I asked you to justify it with things the way they are now.
Give me more credit than that, you have to do a better bait and switch to trick me.
No one here gives you credit for anything. THis is what happens when you're wrong way too many times. I mean, I guess I could give you credit for remembering how to log into your username successfully. So, I'm wrong, you do get credit for some things.
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Your responses are like shave ice without any syrup or toppings.
Hahhaha, you got nothing to support your statements that help them, so now you say this. It's a good thing I took a class in conflict management and know why you respond the way that you do.
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Marc Fogel released from Russian prison. Unsure if we got trade raped like when we got the WNBA player for a huge arms dealer, who only went back to arms dealing shortly after. But so far, nothing is said about what we gave up for Marc.
He's a teacher who was caught with weed and sentenced to 15 years. Instead of Brandon looking at him, he chose the WNBA player. Cause you know BLM, DEI, lesbo, etc....
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No one here gives you credit for anything. THis is what happens when you're wrong way too many times. I mean, I guess I could give you credit for remembering how to log into your username successfully. So, I'm wrong, you do get credit for some things.
I was unaware you spoke for all of 2ahawaii.com.
I can tell you how much the opinion of Flapp's attack chihuahua means to me if you like.
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Hahhaha, you got nothing to support your statements that help them, so now you say this. It's a good thing I took a class in conflict management and know why you respond the way that you do.
When you make comments with substance I will reply to you with substance.
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those attach chihuahua's are much more dangerous than regular chihuahua's...
I was unaware you spoke for all of 2ahawaii.com.
I can tell you how much the opinion of Flapp's attach chihuahua means to me if you like.
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those attach chihuahua's are much more dangerous than regular chihuahua's...
Touche. I bet they have tactical collars.
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I was unaware you spoke for all of 2ahawaii.com.
I can tell you how much the opinion of Flapp's attack chihuahua means to me if you like.
Your opinion is like the Hawaii AG's one when they talk about the 2A. If they don't like a bill, then it has to be good. If they like a bill, it has to be bad for the 2a right.
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When you make comments with substance I will reply to you with substance.
And you have yet to do so "substance". hahahahha
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Your opinion is like the Hawaii AG's one when they talk about the 2A. If they don't like a bill, then it has to be good. If they like a bill, it has to be bad for the 2a right.
Devastating comeback, whatever will I do? (sarcasm just in case you missed it)
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Devastating comeback, whatever will I do? (sarcasm just in case you missed it)
Hahhaa, and here's the tactics entering the room. (sarcasm just in case you missed it as we are not in a room)
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Marc Fogel released from Russian prison. Unsure if we got trade raped like when we got the WNBA player for a huge arms dealer, who only went back to arms dealing shortly after. But so far, nothing is said about what we gave up for Marc.
He's a teacher who was caught with weed and sentenced to 15 years. Instead of Brandon looking at him, he chose the WNBA player. Cause you know BLM, DEI, lesbo, etc....
Update:
It was medical weed.
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This was actually posted to X yesterday on the official White House account! :rofl: :rofl:
https://x.com/WhiteHouse/status/1890441976417264027/photo/1
(https://i.imgur.com/gREXf4l.jpeg)
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Update:
It was medical weed.
What is the difference? Doctors' prescription?
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What is the difference? Doctors' prescription?
certified organic, #immadoctor approved
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What is the difference? Doctors' prescription?
Most states that allow medical marijuana have standards for potency and offer a variety of dosage forms -- from smokable plant material to edible candy.
Often, things like capsules and tinctures are more common at medical dispensaries, and things like joints and gummies are more common at adult-use (recreational) dispensaries.
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certified organic, #immadoctor approved
Most states that allow medical marijuana have standards for potency and offer a variety of dosage forms -- from smokable plant material to edible candy.
Often, things like capsules and tinctures are more common at medical dispensaries, and things like joints and gummies are more common at adult-use (recreational) dispensaries.
My post was more on the sarcastic side. I have heard of some instances where people were helped by using pot to help them deal with the pain of their illnesses.
These people were not "pot heads". They were given an alternative, they have tried it, and it has helped them.
What about people you know are and has always been "pot heads"? All of a sudden they have doctor's prescriptions for pot to alleviate their back pain.
I know of one "family member" who now has "back pain". ::) ::) ::)
Poor thing. Known this "family member" for over 40 years, always was a pot smoker, now all of a sudden his back so-wah.......Owwweeee......quick, go to the dispensary by the airport.......
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My post was more on the sarcastic side. I have heard of some instances where people were helped by using pot to help them deal with the pain of their illnesses.
These people were not "pot heads". They were given an alternative, they have tried it, and it has helped them.
What about people you know are and has always been "pot heads"? All of a sudden they have doctor's prescriptions for pot to alleviate their back pain.
I know of one "family member" who now has "back pain". ::) ::) ::)
Poor thing. Known this "family member" for over 40 years, always was a pot smoker, now all of a sudden his back so-wah.......Owwweeee......quick, go to the dispensary by the airport.......
Soft tissue injuries are nearly impossible to diagnose with tests. Doctors rely on statements from the patient to determine if they have whiplash or any other spinal column injury that doesn't include the spine itself.
It makes fake back and neck injuries very difficult to prove. It's why some insurance companies hire covert investigators to try and get images of the insured doing things they pretend are beyond their ability due to the pain.
And just because your pothead family member now has an excuse for medical marijuana doesn't mean he's not experiencing pain. Staying stoned all the time could be the reason he hurt himself. irony in action!
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Soft tissue injuries are nearly impossible to diagnose with tests. Doctors rely on statements from the patient to determine if they have whiplash or any other spinal column injury that doesn't include the spine itself.
It makes fake back and neck injuries very difficult to prove. It's why some insurance companies hire covert investigators to try and get images of the insured doing things they pretend are beyond their ability due to the pain.
And just because your pothead family member now has an excuse for medical marijuana doesn't mean he's not experiencing pain. Staying stoned all the time could be the reason he hurt himself. irony in action!
420-phobia
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420-phobia
You made that up!
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You made that up!
it's real
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/cannaphobia-whats-up-with-fear-of-marijuana.273482/
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it's real
https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/cannaphobia-whats-up-with-fear-of-marijuana.273482/
Blatant relocation of goal post.
420-phobia doesn't appear in that post.
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:stopjack:
(https://i.imgur.com/TBaB8Ic.gif)
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A federal judge ruled yesterday that the Trump administration has the authority to continue their mass federal worker firings.
Trump can continue mass
firings despite disruption
and chaos, US judge rules
Feb 20 (Reuters) - The Trump administration can continue its mass
firings of federal employees for now, a federal judge ruled on Thursday,
rejecting a bid by a group of labor unions to halt President Donald
Trump’s dramatic downsizing of the roughly 2.3 million-strong federal
workforce.
U.S. District Judge Christopher Cooper in Washington, D.C., said
Trump's onslaught of executive actions in his first month in office
have caused "disruption and even chaos in widespread quarters of
American society." But he said he likely lacks the power to decide
whether the firing of tens of thousands of government workers is lawful.
The unions are instead likely required to file complaints with the Federal
Labor Relations Authority, which hears disputes between federal
agencies and unions that represent their workers, Cooper said. Trump
last week fired the Democratic chair of the three-member panel, who
has filed a lawsuit seeking to be reinstated.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-administration-can-continue-mass-firings-federal-workers-us-judge-rules-2025-02-20/
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The ATF Firings Have Begun!
https://youtu.be/4fDZJ8X0tt8
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The ATF Firings Have Begun!
https://youtu.be/4fDZJ8X0tt8
And the left who is anti 2a will say "how will we keep the children safe?"
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And the left who is anti 2a will say "how will we keep the children safe?"
They are already whining that the firing of one ATF individual means no gun control laws will be getting enforced.
From The Brady Campaign's president:
The abrupt firing of ATF Chief Counsel Hicks is chilling. It is also no secret that
ATF has historically been woefully under-resourced, and we pay the price in
our safety, with guns now the number one killer of children in this country. Now,
with this sudden removal at the federal agency charged with preventing gun
trafficking and overseeing the gun industry, we are all at greater risk.
https://www.bradyunited.org/press/atf-chief-counsel-fired
Now, for that actual story...
Attorney General Pam Bondi removed the general counsel for the Bureau of Alcohol,
Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives on Thursday morning, terminating her employment
with the Justice Department.
Pamela Hicks, a 23-year veteran of the department, confirmed she was fired on LinkedIn.
She did not say whether she was given a reason for the removal, but she is one of several
general counsels from Justice Department component agencies to be fired or resign in the
first month of the Trump administration.
The FBI’s general counsel resigned earlier this month, according to people familiar with
the situation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss information that has not
been made public. Sam Ramer — who worked in the Justice Department and White House
during the first Trump administration, then worked in private practice — is expected to be
the FBI’s next general counsel, those people said.
The Bureau of Prisons’ general counsel also announced plans to retire later this month,
according to union leaders and an internal email provided to The Washington Post.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-administration-removes-atf-general-counsel/ar-AA1ztv1Q
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They are already whining that the firing of one ATF individual means no gun control laws will be getting enforced.
From The Brady Campaign's president:https://www.bradyunited.org/press/atf-chief-counsel-fired
Now, for that actual story...https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/trump-administration-removes-atf-general-counsel/ar-AA1ztv1Q
With our Wolford lawsuit (sensitive places) being petitioned to SCOTUS, I wonder if they accept, will Kayal still work pro-bono as the AG stated. I mean, I'm sure MDA/ET are paying his $3600/hr fees.
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Trump wants the Keystone Pipeline to be built again. He's saying that the approvals will be quick since Brandon screwed them over. You know how they were told "get another job" or "take up another trade" when the 3,000 were affected.
IIRC we get 30% of our oil from Russia and this pipeline would make it so we don't really need any oil from Russia. After this pipeline was cancelled by Brandon, is what began the oil prices in the USA to go up, thus cost of good went up aka inflation.
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"learn to code"
Trump wants the Keystone Pipeline to be built again. He's saying that the approvals will be quick since Brandon screwed them over. You know how they were told "get another job" or "take up another trade" when the 3,000 were affected.
IIRC we get 30% of our oil from Russia and this pipeline would make it so we don't really need any oil from Russia. After this pipeline was cancelled by Brandon, is what began the oil prices in the USA to go up, thus cost of good went up aka inflation.
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DEI wasteful funding is being cut. What's funny is that companies are choosing to do the same. Now they're being boycotted by the left. They were also boycotted by the right when implementing DEI type stuff too. So it seems, had they not done anything, they would have been fine. Example: Target had gay pride stuff for kids and was boycotted. They pulled all the items a few weeks later. Now they got rid of their DEI plans and their stocks tanked big time in the past few weeks.
Maybe companies should just stick to selling stuff and not have an agenda. Either way, you alienate 1 side of your market. Like Dicks not selling "assault rifles' anymore due to pressure from anti 2A orgs. Most gun guys dont buy their rifles from Dicks, but their wives who are soccer moms buy stuff other things. And the husbands told their wives to shop elsewhere and Dicks sales went down big time. Under Armor began supporting BLM and was boycotted. Nike with sports bras to trannies and BLM. The list goes on and on.
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Looks like we have another WINNER.
Trump admin will gut the Californication of our trucking industry.
A Biden fumble opens the door for Trump and congress to take action to
save our trucking industry from more idiotic rules and regs from CA.
Making trucking more expensive makes life more expensive.
Yes you non-believers even your soy milk costs more.
https://youtu.be/DeCetRlxstw
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Looks like we have another WINNER.
Trump admin will gut the Californication of our trucking industry.
A Biden fumble opens the door for Trump and congress to take action to
save our trucking industry from more idiotic rules and regs from CA.
Making trucking more expensive makes life more expensive.
Yes you non-believers even your soy milk costs more.
Think of all the cars and trucks that failed CA emissions testing and were cheaper to junk than make compliant. How does that impact the environment?
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IRS To FIRE 45,000 Staff, Trump FULFILLING
Promise To Shrink Federal Government
https://youtu.be/gAor8r7FUvc
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Trump wants the Keystone Pipeline to be built again. He's saying that the approvals will be quick since Brandon screwed them over. You know how they were told "get another job" or "take up another trade" when the 3,000 were affected.
Restarting the Keystone pipeline will be very difficult. After Biden cancelled the project in his first day in office, companies capable of taking on
such a project are very hesitant to invest millions of dollars in any long term contract that can be simply cancelled by an EO.
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Think of all the cars and trucks that failed CA emissions testing and were cheaper to junk than make compliant. How does that impact the environment?
Plus all the environmental harm from cow farts.
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Newest story is 80K will be cut from the VA. THey have 400K employees. I've known many who aren't happy with the VA system. It has gotten a little better over the past few years, but still not where vets expect it to be.
Just because you're a vet or work with vets, doesn't make you immune from not doing your job and job cuts.
Some stories I've heard over the years:
Friend had a broken arm and the cast was set too tight. Instead of re-doing it, Tripler cut the cast and used duct tape to secure it not as tight.
Retired friends tried making appointments and it does take longer than how their non VA friends the similar age can get with their PCP.
Nurses can be removed to go to training for X events. When Mrs. CMO was giving birth, we had a couple who went to Tripler cause the womans water broke. They were sent to Kapiolani cause half the nurses were gone in Louisiana for training incase China invaded Taiwan.
1 friend brags how they don't do much admin things in the VA. And even her coworkers who mess up don't get reprimanded after repeat mess ups. They too don't do much.
Of course there are some positive or normal things with the VA that I have a few examples of too, but mostly it's bad examples that I hear of.
In general, the bigger the gov org, the worst it gets. These cuts aren't targeting vets, but are across the board for many departments.
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Some stories I've heard over the years:
A friend with severe PTSD keeps getting switched to new psychologists, forcing him to start all over from the beginning and relive his trauma.
It happens to a lot of guys, and the theory amongst some of them is that they are trying to get the unstable ones to kill themselves and save the system money.
If that's was the goal then they've been rather successful.
https://stopsoldiersuicide.org/vet-stats
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The VA scandals under the Obama administration were likely never corrected.
They first uncovered that it was taking 1 month up to a year for appointments. if you had to cancel or they canceled on you, you went to the back of the line and had to start waiting all over again.
The problem, aside from veterans not getting decent care in a reasonable timeframe, is the administrators were rewarding themselves with giant annual bonuses. They justified the bonuses by keeping 2 sets of appointments -- one that was accurate showing horrendous wait times, and a second set showing the request dates being moved up so it appeared the appointment dates were within VA guidelines. The target was to receive an appointment date within 14 days of the request.
CNN reported on April 30, 2014, that at least 40 United States Armed Forces
veterans died while waiting for care at the Phoenix, Arizona, Veterans Health
Administration facilities. By June 5, 2014, Veterans Affairs internal investigations
had identified 35 veterans who had died while waiting for care in the Phoenix
VHA system.
The House Committee on Veterans' Affairs held a hearing on preventable patient
deaths in VA facilities in September 2013 during which representatives accused
the VA of failing to discipline the officials responsible for patient deaths and instead
providing performance bonuses. For example, VA regional director Michael Moreland
received a bonus of approximately $63,000 and a five-page performance evaluation
that made no mention of an outbreak of Legionnaires' disease that led to the deaths
of six veterans and illness for 21 others at a Pittsburgh VHA hospital for which
Moreland was responsible.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Veterans_Health_Administration_controversy
Later reports showed that the administrators found new ways to circumvent the new tracking and reporting processes without fixing the actual problems.
Any bets on whether things slipped back into the Obama era "hell" under Biden's watch?
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IRS To FIRE 45,000 Staff, Trump FULFILLING
Promise To Shrink Federal Government
At what cost though? I worry that all this will do is make it easier to engage in tax fraud. Some of these people are going to be involved with tax investigations, there is no way these are all DEI department staff
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At what cost though? I worry that all this will do is make it easier to engage in tax fraud. Some of these people are going to be involved with tax investigations, there is no way these are all DEI department staff
Do you have evidence that the firing was supposed to be all DEI hires?
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Do you have evidence that the firing was supposed to be all DEI hires?
No, and not the point.
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No, and not the point.
So you state an opinion of "there is no way this is all DEI staff", which I never heard of this. Which is why I asked about it.
You could have just said "No". Why choose to also enter "and not the point"?
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So you state an opinion of "there is no way this is all DEI staff", which I never heard of this. Which is why I asked about it.
You could have just said "No". Why choose to also enter "and not the point"?
DEI departments are being cut across the country. I think that is a good thing. My point is that if you cut this many employees you risk hampering operations, not just cutting wasteful spending on things (like DEI departments)
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DEI departments are being cut across the country. I think that is a good thing. My point is that if you cut this many employees you risk hampering operations, not just cutting wasteful spending on things (like DEI departments)
So how many cuts does your opinion feel that it's OK?
I think it's impossible or will take too long to do an audit of every employee to see if they're needed. So cuts across the board is a better idea and build from there if you need more people. WHich is what they've been doing. 120 nuke employees were cut, only for them to bring back 100 of them or so. Same with the recent CDC, they offered to bring back about 200 employees.
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At what cost though? I worry that all this will do is make it easier to engage in tax fraud. Some of these people are going to be involved with tax investigations, there is no way these are all DEI department staff
The average employee salary for the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) in 2023 was $75,665.
This is 5.5 percent higher than the national average for government employees but 1.9 percent
lower than other federal agencies. There are 138,459 employee records for Internal Revenue
Service (IRS).
https://openpayrolls.com/federal/internal-revenue-service
45,000 employees x $75K average salary = $3,375,000,000
During fiscal year 2024, the IRS collected more than $5.1 trillion in tax revenue,
collected more than $98 billion in enforcement revenue and distributed $553 billion
in federal tax refunds and other outlays.
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-publishes-2024-financial-report-resolves-longstanding-significant-deficiency
The biggest problem with the tax code is not the number of cheaters, but rather the complexity of the code.
If we assume a reasonable hourly wage, the 7.9 billion hours Americans spend complying with the tax code costs the economy roughly $413 billion in lost productivity. In addition, the IRS estimates that Americans spend roughly $133 billion annually in out-of-pocket costs to comply with the tax code. This brings the total compliance costs to $546 billion, or nearly 2 percent of GDP.
https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/irs-tax-compliance-costs/
if the code was simplified, more people would file. Procrastinations and fear of making a mistake tops the list of reasons people don't file at all.
Legally speaking, it's a misdemeanor to not file a return if required to do so. But it's a FELONY to knowingly file a false return. There's a fine line between proving an error was a mistake and not an intentional lie.
So, from a big picture perspective, enforcement -- the thing you're worried won't get done with fewer people -- could be 100% offset by simplifying the code and cutting the $546 billion it costs people and businesses to comply. And, since only about half the working population pays any taxes at all, the other half are being soaked for that half a trillion being spent on compliance.
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https://openpayrolls.com/federal/internal-revenue-service
45,000 employees x $75K average salary = $3,375,000,000
https://www.irs.gov/newsroom/irs-publishes-2024-financial-report-resolves-longstanding-significant-deficiency
The biggest problem with the tax code is not the number of cheaters, but rather the complexity of the code. https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/irs-tax-compliance-costs/
if the code was simplified, more people would file. Procrastinations and fear of making a mistake tops the list of reasons people don't file at all.
Legally speaking, it's a misdemeanor to not file a return if required to do so. But it's a FELONY to knowingly file a false return. There's a fine line between proving an error was a mistake and not an intentional lie.
So, from a big picture perspective, enforcement -- the thing you're worried won't get done with fewer people -- could be 100% offset by simplifying the code and cutting the $546 billion it costs people and businesses to comply. And, since only about half the working population pays any taxes at all, the other half are being soaked for that half a trillion being spent on compliance.
Thanks for that well researched point.
Tax reform is one of those big promises we always hear and all we get are minor tweaks, it is infuriating. I watched one news piece that explained how taxes in some European countries were the size of a post card where a return here is a minimum 4 pages and so complicated we pay hundreds of dollars for experts to do them for us.
If Trump and republicans approached tax reform the way they have gone about changing other things then that would be his single greatest achievement. Simplify things, make all income the same across the board. Whether you made money from stocks or a job, tax it at the same rate according to the income scale. Make simple deduction options, make tax code that can easily be enforced, etc. I am not holding my breath because too many people in congress have to carve out exemptions for their friends but I can hope.
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I've always wondered, why not make paying taxes a standard percentage, regardless of income.
But then again, if Trump were to reduce/slash tax code, then the left will find a way to complain about it.
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I've always wondered, why not make paying taxes a standard percentage, regardless of income.
But then again, if Trump were to reduce/slash tax code, then the left will find a way to complain about it.
Like a flat tax?
A flat tax would either greatly reduce the amount paid by the rich and thereby greatly reduce the amount of money the government has to spend thereby greatly reducing government services, or it would increase the amount paid on lower ends and tax increases on the majority of Americans is a sure way to lose re-election.
There are flat tax proponents but I have never seen it presented in a way I think could be implemented effectively.
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Like a flat tax?
A flat tax would either greatly reduce the amount paid by the rich and thereby greatly reduce the amount of money the government has to spend thereby greatly reducing government services, or it would increase the amount paid on lower ends and tax increases on the majority of Americans is a sure way to lose re-election.
There are flat tax proponents but I have never seen it presented in a way I think could be implemented effectively.
Flat tax %. Not a set dollar amount. A percent is a percent, so whether you make $50K a year or $100,000,000 it would be all relative. Cut spending so the gov an operate on what they collect. Like say a 15% tax across the board. It's just a thought as I've never dived deep into this question. My rationale is if you make more and have to pay a higher %, then there's a reason to make less. Same like being on welfare. I know a few who refused a promotion cause they would lose their benefits.
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Thanks for that well researched point.
Tax reform is one of those big promises we always hear and all we get are minor tweaks, it is infuriating. I watched one news piece that explained how taxes in some European countries were the size of a post card where a return here is a minimum 4 pages and so complicated we pay hundreds of dollars for experts to do them for us.
If Trump and republicans approached tax reform the way they have gone about changing other things then that would be his single greatest achievement. Simplify things, make all income the same across the board. Whether you made money from stocks or a job, tax it at the same rate according to the income scale. Make simple deduction options, make tax code that can easily be enforced, etc. I am not holding my breath because too many people in congress have to carve out exemptions for their friends but I can hope.
Republican Introduces Plan to Abolish Federal Income Taxes
The bill, if passed, would completely overhaul the U.S. taxation system
and essentially disband the Internal Revenue Service.
https://www.newsweek.com/republican-plan-abolish-federal-income-taxes-irs-reform-2023362
Do some research. We haven't had an income tax forever in the US. It was first used in 1861 to pay for the Civil War. It was quickly rescinded in 1872 after the war ended. The constitution was amended in 1913 to allow the federal government to tax income directly. Before that, taxes had to be assessed based on population sizes of the states. During World War II, Congress introduced payroll withholding and quarterly tax payments.
Tariffs have played different parts in trade policy and the economic history
of the United States. Tariffs were the largest source of federal revenue from
the 1790s to the eve of World War I until it was surpassed by income taxes.
Since the revenue from the tariff was considered essential and easy to collect
at the major ports, it was agreed the nation should have a tariff for revenue
purposes.[8][9]
The history of income taxation in the United States began in the 19th century
with the imposition of income taxes to fund war efforts. However, the
constitutionality of income taxation was widely held in doubt (see Pollock v.
Farmers' Loan & Trust Co.) until 1913 with the ratification of the 16th Amendment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_taxation_in_the_United_States
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Flat tax %. Not a set dollar amount. A percent is a percent, so whether you make $50K a year or $100,000,000 it would be all relative. Cut spending so the gov an operate on what they collect. Like say a 15% tax across the board. It's just a thought as I've never dived deep into this question. My rationale is if you make more and have to pay a higher %, then there's a reason to make less. Same like being on welfare. I know a few who refused a promotion cause they would lose their benefits.
Sorry, that is what I meant, a flat percent tax. There are true flat tax people out there but I think the economics simply wouldn't work.
I think the main objection is that 15% to a person making $24,000 a year is a lot more vital than 15% to a person making $500,000 a year. A flat tax does seem a lot more fair on the surface but I think there is no way we could cut enough from the government to make up for the deficit and there would be hell to pay if we took away all the deductions that the lower income people get. I do think that even the lowest income level should have some tax burden even if very small because then they have a stake in caring.
I don't know why capital gains isn't taxed at the same rate income is though. (Obviously those making big money from capital gains don't want that)
I buy turbotax now and it still takes me at least half a day to do all my taxes.
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Sorry, that is what I meant, a flat percent tax. There are true flat tax people out there but I think the economics simply wouldn't work.
I think the main objection is that 15% to a person making $24,000 a year is a lot more vital than 15% to a person making $500,000 a year. A flat tax does seem a lot more fair on the surface but I think there is no way we could cut enough from the government to make up for the deficit and there would be hell to pay if we took away all the deductions that the lower income people get. I do think that even the lowest income level should have some tax burden even if very small because then they have a stake in caring.
I don't know why capital gains isn't taxed at the same rate income is though. (Obviously those making big money from capital gains don't want that)
I buy turbotax now and it still takes me at least half a day to do all my taxes.
My reasoning with % is it's the more fair option. Example: someone who makes $24K a year gets a $180 speeding ticket vs someone who makes $500K a year. The richer one could care less about $180. Now if the fine were to be magic and a % of income, then each would be relative.
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Sorry, that is what I meant, a flat percent tax. There are true flat tax people out there but I think the economics simply wouldn't work.
I think the main objection is that 15% to a person making $24,000 a year is a lot more vital than 15% to a person making $500,000 a year. A flat tax does seem a lot more fair on the surface but I think there is no way we could cut enough from the government to make up for the deficit and there would be hell to pay if we took away all the deductions that the lower income people get. I do think that even the lowest income level should have some tax burden even if very small because then they have a stake in caring.
I don't know why capital gains isn't taxed at the same rate income is though. (Obviously those making big money from capital gains don't want that)
I buy turbotax now and it still takes me at least half a day to do all my taxes.
You should do research into the flat tax proposals. Most include a threshold which prevents anyone under a certain income level from paying any tax. Usually it's based on a multiple of the poverty level. i.e. current poverty level in Hawaii = $17,990.00/year for an individual and $36,980.00 for a household of 4. Only those earning above the set taxation line would owe income tax.
That destroys the "15% to someone making $X" argument since your example would probably not owe any tax.
https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/dd73d4f00d8a819d10b2fdb70d254f7b/detailed-guidelines-2025.pdf
Another aspect of the flat tax is the standard deduction. That reduces the amount of income you owe tax on. So, Kimo making $50K/yr would get, for example, a $25K standard deduction. He'd only owe tax on the remaining $25K of income assuming he owes anything at all.
Before pontificating on the what-ifs of a flat tax, maybe you need to research the proposals that have been made the last 30 years and decide which parts you like and dislike rather than using your imagination.
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I propose no tax on people 70 years and older making less than $10M gross income a year.
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My reasoning with % is it's the more fair option. Example: someone who makes $24K a year gets a $180 speeding ticket vs someone who makes $500K a year. The richer one could care less about $180. Now if the fine were to be magic and a % of income, then each would be relative.
When it comes to monetary penalties when guilty of violating laws, using a percentage of a person's income would definitely make perpetrators of any crime think twice whether the fines come from overdue books to speeding tickets.
However, specifically income taxes based on a flat percentage of a person's income only makes sense if the majority of people are at least making a living wage to survive to cover that percentage just to live. For example, let's say the federal and state income tax is a flat 12%. People making only $30,000/year and pay that flat federal and state 12% would barely survive to cover their monthly rent, food expense, clothes to wear, FICA, health insurance, electricity, gas & car loans, and a cell phone in Hawaii every month.
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When it comes to monetary penalties when guilty of violating laws, using a percentage of a person's income would definitely make perpetrators of any crime think twice whether the fines come from overdue books to speeding tickets.
There's a vid in NYC where a guy in a Ferrari or like car is getting a parking ticket. Instead of taking the ticket, he chose to try to flee and ended up running over the cops food. He was arrested and charged with attacking the officer or something. But since he has connections as he's saudi royalty or something, the charges were dropped.
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My reasoning with % is it's the more fair option. Example: someone who makes $24K a year gets a $180 speeding ticket vs someone who makes $500K a year. The richer one could care less about $180. Now if the fine were to be magic and a % of income, then each would be relative.
I did see an instagram post claiming some northern european country bases its fine amount on the driver's income. This is a novel approach but we might have to apply it across the board. So the car registration, the driver's license fee, etc. all now becomes a set percentage based on a person's income. Have to noodle that one through for what unintended consequences it might create.
Any changes made will result in people who will try to find a new way to game the system. This is why I don't like the idea to do away with taxes on tips, it is too easy to cheat one's way out of paying taxes.
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You should do research into the flat tax proposals. Most include a threshold which prevents anyone under a certain income level from paying any tax. Usually it's based on a multiple of the poverty level. i.e. current poverty level in Hawaii = $17,990.00/year for an individual and $36,980.00 for a household of 4. Only those earning above the set taxation line would owe income tax.
That destroys the "15% to someone making $X" argument since your example would probably not owe any tax.
https://aspe.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/dd73d4f00d8a819d10b2fdb70d254f7b/detailed-guidelines-2025.pdf
Another aspect of the flat tax is the standard deduction. That reduces the amount of income you owe tax on. So, Kimo making $50K/yr would get, for example, a $25K standard deduction. He'd only owe tax on the remaining $25K of income assuming he owes anything at all.
Before pontificating on the what-ifs of a flat tax, maybe you need to research the proposals that have been made the last 30 years and decide which parts you like and dislike rather than using your imagination.
I wasn't pontificating, I was having a simple discussion about pros and cons. So you can take your snark and shove it. :stopjack:
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I did see an instagram post claiming some northern european country bases its fine amount on the driver's income. This is a novel approach but we might have to apply it across the board. So the car registration, the driver's license fee, etc. all now becomes a set percentage based on a person's income. Have to noodle that one through for what unintended consequences it might create.
Any changes made will result in people who will try to find a new way to game the system. This is why I don't like the idea to do away with taxes on tips, it is too easy to cheat one's way out of paying taxes.
This is why I said "magic". To audit someone to find out what the fine will be will take a long time considering the volume of tickets issued.
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Hamas is releasing the last American hostage. Even though Trump moved the deadline a few times, it showed he's willing to compromise instead of going full attackmode.
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Hamas is releasing the last American hostage. Even though Trump moved the deadline a few times, it showed he's willing to compromise instead of going full attackmode.
When trying to get two leaders to agree to anything, there are at least a few moving parts. If it were just us and one other party negotiating, it would be much faster and easier. Playing mediator can be a slow process.
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Trump praised Chuck Schumer for supporting the GOP budget. The long knives are now out for Schumer.
https://youtu.be/MW-O15slNCw
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Chuck got one thing right, now his party may blade him for it.
https://youtu.be/gqJjsk7mLEA?t=116
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Trump praised Chuck Schumer for supporting the GOP budget. The long knives are now out for Schumer.
https://youtu.be/MW-O15slNCw
Representative Ayanna Pressly said that they are the "adults in the room".
After people like HRC calling us "basket of deplorables". And now Shumer is calling us "Bastards".
Yeah. Ok. Adults in the room.......... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
By the way, President Trump is playing 3D chess at a level nobody would be able to match. Shumer got check-mated before the 3rd move. He is finished. :thumbsup:
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Representative Ayanna Pressly said that they are the "adults in the room".
After people like HRC calling us "basket of deplorables". And now Shumer is calling us "Bastards".
Yeah. Ok. Adults in the room.......... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
By the way, President Trump is playing 3D chess at a level nobody would be able to match. Shumer got check-mated before the 3rd move. He is finished. :thumbsup:
I guess Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) didn't get that memo. This is not how adults act.
Ten House Democrats joined Republicans in voting to censure
Rep. Al Green (D-Texas) on Thursday, rebuking the 11-term
congressman for his disruptive protest during President Trump’s
speech to Congress.
The chamber adopted the censure resolution in a 224-198-2 vote,
less than 48 hours after Green stood up, waved his cane in the air
and yelled at Trump during his speech, prompting his eventual
removal from the chamber. The vote made him the 28th member
of the House to be censured.
House Democratic leadership did not whip on the Green censure
resolution, allowing lawmakers to decide on their own whether to
support it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5180324-10-house-democrats-censure-al-green/
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I hope those involved with the J6 sham will be arrested and have to go to court. Trump mentioned the "auto pen" signatures for their pardons, which would make it void. This was mentioned a few weeks ago, but Trump posted about it today. Maybe he had to confirm with his sources first before going public with it.
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I hope those involved with the J6 sham will be arrested and have to go to court. Trump mentioned the "auto pen" signatures for their pardons, which would make it void. This was mentioned a few weeks ago, but Trump posted about it today. Maybe he had to confirm with his sources first before going public with it.
Apparently all recent presidents used an autopen to sign some things, but the issue is whether or not Biden even knew the pardons were being issued due to his failing mental health. Since he didn't offer public statements on the reasons for these pardons to shield Fauci and the J6 panel members, it's a good argument that Biden was unaware of the pardons and the reasons since he didn't even sign them.
In other news, Dan Bongino is now the new Assistant Director of the FBI. :thumbsup:
The left continues to paint any and all Trump appointees as "Loyalists." Sticks and stones :rofl:
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The left continues to paint any and all Trump appointees as "Loyalists." Sticks and stones :rofl:
They're wackos.
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https://youtu.be/9s916JUr4bg
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Trump had a 3 hour call with Putin today about the cease fire. They have agreed to not targeting utility and power plant type buildings. The rest is still being worked on. I assume the call would have taken half this time, but translators probably had to be used.
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Word is that Maine caved. They were pushing back and wanted to allow men compete against women in sports. Trump threatened to cut their funding. Few weeks went by and now they caved.
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Word is that Maine caved. They were pushing back and wanted to allow men compete against women in sports. Trump threatened to cut their funding. Few weeks went by and now they caved.
When Congress passed all these funding bills designed to entice states to follow federal agency policies (things the feds can't legally make into law), it became a carrot for states to follow the mostly Liberal agenda.
Trump is using Congress' own funding carrots against them. Play ball, or no allowance!
:geekdanc: :thumbsup: :rofl:
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Ironic. Cutting government funding and privatization is the essance of "keeping the hands off"
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGWSg1V5/Screenshot-2025-03-21-163656.jpg)
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Ironic. Cutting government funding and privatization is the essance of "keeping the hands off"
(https://i.postimg.cc/kGWSg1V5/Screenshot-2025-03-21-163656.jpg)
I know a few who have tried to get jobs with the USPS (not a mailman) and many are contract jobs. Have 1 friend who's on a 1 year contract and it's been renewed for the past 8 years. Being a mailman, you seem to have to know someone to get that specific job.
The USPS isn't run well cause they cannot afford to hire employees (no benefits need to be paid). If it's a dying industry due to UPS or FEDEX options, then they need to find a way to at least break even.
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I hope those involved with the J6 sham will be arrested and have to go to court. Trump mentioned the "auto pen" signatures for their pardons, which would make it void. This was mentioned a few weeks ago, but Trump posted about it today. Maybe he had to confirm with his sources first before going public with it.
Autopen wouldn't make it void, the issue of autopen signatures has come up many times and court cases have not held them to be invalid. The real question is whether Biden actually decided to approve the pardons or someone did it without his knowledge. I don't think this is going to go anywhere because to void the pardons you would need to prove Biden didn't approve of the pardon. That would require him to both remember and admit that he didn't sign it or possibly a witness to say Biden didn't approve it. Even if he they signed it without him knowing I don't think anyone is going to spill the beans.
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Trump had a 3 hour call with Putin today about the cease fire. They have agreed to not targeting utility and power plant type buildings. The rest is still being worked on. I assume the call would have taken half this time, but translators probably had to be used.
Russia attacked a utility in Ukraine hours after the phone call. Seems like Putin flexing, I am curious to see how Trump reacts.
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Russia attacked a utility in Ukraine hours after the phone call. Seems like Putin flexing, I am curious to see how Trump reacts.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-trump-putin-discuss-ceasefire-sumy-hospital-strike/
The order was given, but not followed. Could be due to the time it takes to reach every unit that already had attack plans.
Since you're late to the game and this happened days ago, we saw how Trump reacted....he didn't do anything yet. Which sounds like a "let it slide". Maybe he and his advisors understand how long it takes for orders to be issued and there can be some who refuse (Russians) them cause they want war.
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Autopen wouldn't make it void, the issue of autopen signatures has come up many times and court cases have not held them to be invalid. The real question is whether Biden actually decided to approve the pardons or someone did it without his knowledge. I don't think this is going to go anywhere because to void the pardons you would need to prove Biden didn't approve of the pardon. That would require him to both remember and admit that he didn't sign it or possibly a witness to say Biden didn't approve it. Even if he they signed it without him knowing I don't think anyone is going to spill the beans.
Show me where anyone said just using an autopen made anything void.
it can be argued that the founders never anticipated a device that someone other than the president could use to sign his signature.
In most government offices, the standard is to place the signature information (signature block) that belongs to the actual signer. Then below that it states they are signing for the actual person in charge. Basically they are authorized to act on behalf of their boss, and the signature block properly shows the actual signer as well as who should have signed it had they been available.
I guess the President can't delegate anyone else to do his constitutionally required duties, so it's not surprising you never see something signed by the VP or WH Chief of Staff saying they are signing on behalf of the President. What does need to happen in cases where an autopen is used, especially where the Constitution explicitly reserves that authority to the President alone, is there needs to be documentation either in written voice recorded or video recorded form that proves the president authorized the signature and was fully aware of the contents of what was signed.
Ask Joe today to explain all of his last minute pardons, he's going to not remember. However, he will pretend to remember. That's what people with dementia do. It's too embarrassing to admit you can't remember something as important as a pardon. It's no different than someone with hearing loss nodding in agreement or saying, "Yeah" or "Okay" to something they didn't hear you say. it gets embarrassing to ask the same people to constantly repeat what they said.
Short of notes, recordings or other tangible evidence, I'd say Joe can't prove he was aware of the pardons.
The fact that the pardons are preemptive for any crimes they may be charged with in the future makes the entire situation 100 times worse. Most pardons are very specific as to the statutes associated with the crimes being forgiven.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-war-trump-putin-discuss-ceasefire-sumy-hospital-strike/
The order was given, but not followed. Could be due to the time it takes to reach every unit that already had attack plans.
Since you're late to the game and this happened days ago, we saw how Trump reacted....he didn't do anything yet. Which sounds like a "let it slide". Maybe he and his advisors understand how long it takes for orders to be issued and there can be some who refuse (Russians) them cause they want war.
It doesn't matter what Trump does, you will find a way to make it sound like the best thing in your mind.
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Show me where anyone said just using an autopen made anything void.
it can be argued that the founders never anticipated a device that someone other than the president could use to sign his signature.
In most government offices, the standard is to place the signature information (signature block) that belongs to the actual signer. Then below that it states they are signing for the actual person in charge. Basically they are authorized to act on behalf of their boss, and the signature block properly shows the actual signer as well as who should have signed it had they been available.
I guess the President can't delegate anyone else to do his constitutionally required duties, so it's not surprising you never see something signed by the VP or WH Chief of Staff saying they are signing on behalf of the President. What does need to happen in cases where an autopen is used, especially where the Constitution explicitly reserves that authority to the President alone, is there needs to be documentation either in written voice recorded or video recorded form that proves the president authorized the signature and was fully aware of the contents of what was signed.
Ask Joe today to explain all of his last minute pardons, he's going to not remember. However, he will pretend to remember. That's what people with dementia do. It's too embarrassing to admit you can't remember something as important as a pardon. It's no different than someone with hearing loss nodding in agreement or saying, "Yeah" or "Okay" to something they didn't hear you say. it gets embarrassing to ask the same people to constantly repeat what they said.
Short of notes, recordings or other tangible evidence, I'd say Joe can't prove he was aware of the pardons.
The fact that the pardons are preemptive for any crimes they may be charged with in the future makes the entire situation 100 times worse. Most pardons are very specific as to the statutes associated with the crimes being forgiven.
CMO said
"Trump mentioned the "auto pen" signatures for their pardons, which would make it void. "
The burden of proof is to show that the signatures were not valid in some way, if Biden says he cannot recall a specific signature the courts aren't going to assume they are invalid. A lack of independent recollection doesn't mean the signature is invalid This is why I don't think Trump administration is going to have success in challenging the validity.
I have more hope that this notion of preemptive pardons gets challenged.
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It doesn't matter what Trump does, you will find a way to make it sound like the best thing in your mind.
Hahahhaa nice try to change subject instead of admitting i was right.
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CMO said
"Trump mentioned the "auto pen" signatures for their pardons, which would make it void. "
The burden of proof is to show that the signatures were not valid in some way, if Biden says he cannot recall a specific signature the courts aren't going to assume they are invalid. A lack of independent recollection doesn't mean the signature is invalid This is why I don't think Trump administration is going to have success in challenging the validity.
I have more hope that this notion of preemptive pardons gets challenged.
And what was Trumps full statement of which im referring to. Go to his X.
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Hahahhaa nice try to change subject instead of admitting i was right.
Well I don't like to lie so....
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And what was Trumps full statement of which im referring to. Go to his X.
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Not doing your homework for you.
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Well I don't like to lie so....
Yeah, but you just can't help yourself.
#CongenitalLiarsClub
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Not doing your homework for you.
Start by doing your own homework.
Since you can't seem to figure out what that means, we're here to help.
You can lead a troll to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
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Well I don't like to lie so....
Hahahhaa keep thinking of any justification you can just so you don't have to admit when you're wrong.
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Not doing your homework for you.
This statement makes no sense at all. Thanks for playing.
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How can a circuit judge issue an injunction that affects the entire country? Shouldn't the injunction only affect the parties to the complaint?
These are not class action lawsuits, yet the injunctions affect everyone. That's not how the courts were supposed to function.
https://youtu.be/kyorYUmXdWs
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"All 677 federal judges must agree or anything Trump does is invalid." ~Stephen something, Trumps former press sec.
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"All 677 federal judges must agree or anything Trump does is invalid." ~Stephen something, Trumps former press sec.
Lawfare taken to the next level. Judges deciding what's a valid executive action and what isn't.
We didn't elect these judges, IIRC. The same ones defending this are screaming, "Nobody elected Elon Musk!"
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Lawfare taken to the next level. Judges deciding what's a valid executive action and what isn't.
We didn't elect these judges, IIRC. The same ones defending this are screaming, "Nobody elected Elon Musk!"
I mean, it's obvious lawfare is being used because illegal people being deported speaks for themselves. Now if someone became a US citizen and had zero crime committed and was deported, then I understand.
The courts are not supposed to be used in this mannor.
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I mean, it's obvious lawfare is being used because illegal people being deported speaks for themselves. Now if someone became a US citizen and had zero crime committed and was deported, then I understand.
The courts are not supposed to be used in this mannor.
Right, but that means ONE case would be challenged in court and ruled on. The remedy would only apply to the parties involved in that case. The remedy would not involve a nationwide injunction.
Watch that Tim Pool video where Senator Kennedy is in a hearing -- starting at the 13:00 mark. He and the witness lay out the facts surrounding universal or nationwide injunctions issued by federal district court judges. No statute or SCOTUS precedence exists to serve as a legal basis for such injunctions.
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Hahahhaa keep thinking of any justification you can just so you don't have to admit when you're wrong.
I have to be wrong to admit I am wrong. I figured that was obvious but I guess I had to spell it out for you.
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I have to be wrong to admit I am wrong. I figured that was obvious but I guess I had to spell it out for you.
Wrong again. Hahahaha.
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I have to be wrong to admit I am wrong. I figured that was obvious but I guess I had to spell it out for you.
That makes you wrong x 2.
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The law firm Milbank which is a huge one with almost unlimited resources does pro bono stuff if it either aligns with their companies thought or is good for marketing. They are 1 of 4 law firms who cut a deal with Trump recently so he doesn't make a XO about powerful law firms like Milbank using lawfare.
FYI, they are also representing HI in the sensitive places lawsuit. Which means they are willing to violate the constitution and SCOTUS (Bruen) to represent HI. It's Alan Beck and Kevin O'Grady vs a huge lawfirm and one of the top attorneys in the nation (Kaytal). Think little league baseball player vs MLB's top player.
With this agreement, they will have to represent both sides fairly.
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When I was in Taiwan in 2019, I noticed that non Asian products cost about 3X as much. Like Dove bar of soap, Evian bottle water and even stuff at IKEA. I bought a bottle scrubber for $3 USD that it cost about $0.75 at the one in Vegas for the same item.
To give an idea of income, the average person makes about $600 USD a month. Rent is $60 USD. So only 10% of their income goes to rent. Starbucks is only about 10% cheaper than in HI. So to spend $4 on a coffee is like if that same coffee in the US cost $150. I used the $60USD for rent and coffee is less than 10% of that.
I assumed it was due to shipping cost. But it's also probably tariffs as well. In 2019, I never thought about tariffs.
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When I was in Taiwan in 2019, I noticed that non Asian products cost about 3X as much. Like Dove bar of soap, Evian bottle water and even stuff at IKEA. I bought a bottle scrubber for $3 USD that it cost about $0.75 at the one in Vegas for the same item.
To give an idea of income, the average person makes about $600 USD a month. Rent is $60 USD. So only 10% of their income goes to rent. Starbucks is only about 10% cheaper than in HI. So to spend $4 on a coffee is like if that same coffee in the US cost $150. I used the $60USD for rent and coffee is less than 10% of that.
I assumed it was due to shipping cost. But it's also probably tariffs as well. In 2019, I never thought about tariffs.
Japan has always been protective of its economy. Not only do they charge high tariffs on non-Japanese products, they also do everything they can to circumvent foreign tariffs.
The auto industry is a good example. The US used to based import tariffs on the value of vehicles. So, Japan started shipping stripped-down vehicles with as few standard and optional features as possible. Once in the US, the vehicles were taken to a facility to be finished before delivery to a dealer.
Then the US figured we could do better by charging per unit as opposed to unit value. So, Japan pivoted and started shipping autos with as many standard and optional features as they could get buyers for.
The tariffs rose so high that Japan eventually built factories in the US to avoid import fees altogether.
I remember my motorcycles had odd engine cc labels. Instead of an even 800cc or 1100cc, the engines were stamped 793cc or 1097cc, or something close. I discovered that was done to slip the bikes just under the next higher tariff classification for motorcycles as the tariff was based on engine displacement.
i guess that's changed, as i now see engine sizes are slightly higher than the marketed model identification, such as the Yamaha 650 that list the displacement as 653cc.
Even after all that gamesmanship to avoid paying as much in tariffs as possible, we still see a trade imbalance where the US imports far more goods from Japan and others than those nation import from us. Obviously, the tariffs to have an effect on trade, but without the US, those countries lose one of their largest, if not the largest, consumer market which keeps them making a profit.
Trump's tariffs will help bring the playing field into a more level aspect, but I'm sure the exporters will find ways to reduce what they will be paying.
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I wonder if this would have been on his list of things to do during his first term if he didn't have to expend energy fighting all the false charges and fake news.
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I wonder if this would have been on his list of things to do during his first term if he didn't have to expend energy fighting all the false charges and fake news.
Imagine how much time was wasted answering Mueller investigation subpoenas, and then imagine how many multiples of that was spent by Congress critters, investigative personnel, FBI, CIA, NSA, etc.
The millions of dollars the Russia,Russia, Russia Investigation cost was nothing compared to the loss of time and benefit that was lost among everyone involved.
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https://www.kitv.com/news/kona-coffee-industry-could-see-boost-in-business-due-to-tariffs-on-foreign-imports/article_220627cf-35bc-4058-87c8-3c865a3c0e0a.html
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https://www.kitv.com/news/kona-coffee-industry-could-see-boost-in-business-due-to-tariffs-on-foreign-imports/article_220627cf-35bc-4058-87c8-3c865a3c0e0a.html
Now imagine how that one story will in all likelihood apply to thousands of others who struggle to turn a profit in the country.
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https://youtu.be/JVVgxFQ6Gio
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Japan has always been protective of its economy. Not only do they charge high tariffs on non-Japanese products, they also do everything they can to circumvent foreign tariffs.
FYI,
https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/japan-import-tariffs
Their tariffs are nowhere near the 24% Trump levied on them so I don't know how Trump is claiming his tariffs are reciprocal.
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FYI,
https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/japan-import-tariffs
Their tariffs are nowhere near the 24% Trump levied on them so I don't know how Trump is claiming his tariffs are reciprocal.
What were Japan's tariff rates compared to the US rates on Japan's goods BEFORE Trump?
When trying to create balance, you have use the same disparity as before, but on the opposing sides.
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What were Japan's tariff rates compared to the US rates on Japan's goods BEFORE Trump?
When trying to create balance, you have use the same disparity as before, but on the opposing sides.
Here is the most recent tariff rates before Trump became president again.
https://www.customs.go.jp/english/tariff/2025_01_01/index.htm
I was showing you current rates because you said they charge high tariffs.
Reciprocal mean they are equal, meaning I charge you 10% and you charge me 10%. Trump is being dishonest, the tariffs aren't matching what these other countries have on us rather they factor in trade deficits, in other words he is punishing countries which don't buy as much of our stuff as we buy of there stuff, not matching what they charge us.
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Here is the most recent tariff rates before Trump became president again.
https://www.customs.go.jp/english/tariff/2025_01_01/index.htm
I was showing you current rates because you said they charge high tariffs.
Reciprocal mean they are equal, meaning I charge you 10% and you charge me 10%. Trump is being dishonest, the tariffs aren't matching what these other countries have on us rather they factor in trade deficits, in other words he is punishing countries which don't buy as much of our stuff as we buy of there stuff, not matching what they charge us.
Reciprocal means to exist on both sides. There is no implication that the sides are in any way equal.
I can charge you 10% and you can reciprocate by charging me 35%.
So stupid.
reciprocate /rĭ-sĭp′rə-kāt″/
intransitive verb
1. To give or take mutually; interchange.
"The friends reciprocated favors."
2. To show, feel, or give in response or return.
"They opened their hearts to her, and she reciprocated their affection."
3. To give and take something mutually
If China RECIPROCATES to our 25% tariff with a 35% tariff, is that equal?
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FYI,
https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/japan-import-tariffs
Their tariffs are nowhere near the 24% Trump levied on them so I don't know how Trump is claiming his tariffs are reciprocal.
I believe trumps numbers include currency manipulation.
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More Wins for Americans
DEI funding is DEAD
You mean there could have been paid actors at our Hawaii State Capitol?
Who would bankroll such things? Soros, the demorat party, USAID, hmmm
Prices are headed down. Buying opportunities will present themselves.
Hawaii resident Ed Dowd speaks.
https://youtu.be/8wKl28iHvnY
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Since his board of tariffs he showed, 50 countries called and want to make a deal. Vietnam wants 0 tariffs for both. Taiwan too. The EU wants to make a deal, but I forgot what it was, but it was beneficial to us.
***Update
EU wants to talk about 0 for 0 tariffs.
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I believe trumps numbers include currency manipulation.
I didn't hear any currency manipulation mentioned in the equation but trade deficits were.
Found this explanation
"First, the formula. The alleged “tariff rate” from each trading partner is fully a function of trade aggregates, specifically, the deficit divided by US imports, with a minimum of 10 percent. No factors discussed by the administration in these documents or anywhere else (like tariffs, digital services taxes, value-added taxes, or monetary policy) play any role."
https://taxfoundation.org/blog/trump-reciprocal-tariffs-calculations/
This page gives the actual mathematical formula
https://ustr.gov/issue-areas/reciprocal-tariff-calculations
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Reciprocal means to exist on both sides. There is no implication that the sides are in any way equal.
I can charge you 10% and you can reciprocate by charging me 35%.
So stupid.
If China RECIPROCATES to our 25% tariff with a 35% tariff, is that equal?
Reciprocal can mean things are equal.
2. (of an agreement or obligation) bearing on or binding each of two parties equally.
"the treaty is a bilateral commitment with reciprocal rights and duties"
Regardless, the way Trump talked about tariffs is that he is just matching their tariffs on us. He has presented it as these other countries placing unfair tariffs on us and he is just responding in kind but his tariffs are not directly correlating to the tariffs being imposed by these other countries. That is where his statements are misleading.
If you bought me a lobster dinner then I bought your coffee the next day that would you consider that reciprocation?
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Reciprocal can mean things are equal.
2. (of an agreement or obligation) bearing on or binding each of two parties equally.
"the treaty is a bilateral commitment with reciprocal rights and duties"
Regardless, the way Trump talked about tariffs is that he is just matching their tariffs on us. He has presented it as these other countries placing unfair tariffs on us and he is just responding in kind but his tariffs are not directly correlating to the tariffs being imposed by these other countries. That is where his statements are misleading.
If you bought me a lobster dinner then I bought your coffee the next day that would you consider that reciprocation?
I'm again glad you have zero role in the negotiations. As seen in the Panama thread as the 1st evidence.
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Reciprocal can mean things are equal.
2. (of an agreement or obligation) bearing on or binding each of two parties equally.
"the treaty is a bilateral commitment with reciprocal rights and duties"
Regardless, the way Trump talked about tariffs is that he is just matching their tariffs on us. He has presented it as these other countries placing unfair tariffs on us and he is just responding in kind but his tariffs are not directly correlating to the tariffs being imposed by these other countries. That is where his statements are misleading.
If you bought me a lobster dinner then I bought your coffee the next day that would you consider that reciprocation?
"Reciprocal rights and duties" are not entities that are quantifiable like goods are. That statement means each side is afforded the same rights and duties. That example is taken in the same context as concealed carry reciprocity, where the right to carry in one state is reciprocal in another.
When talking about goods, reciprocal just means "in exchange", not necessarily of the same value.
I notice how you have me buying the lobster dinner ($$$$) and you buying the coffee ($). In real life, I'm sure that's how you normally operate. :rofl:
In your example, you made it more ridiculous than it would actually be. If I bought you a lobster dinner, then you would reciprocate by picking up my check the next time we dined out. There has to be some level of similarity for it to be actually reciprocal. Hence, meeting tariff with tariff, regardless of the percentage, would be reciprocal.
Also, the "calculation" you found is ONLY for applying the policy to imported goods. The percentage itself is what includes the currency manipulation imbalance. There's no publicize equation for determining the percentage in a tariff. That number is defined by the economists who analyze what amount would be needed to balance the overall importation imbalance. There are more factors in that number than Trump pulling it out of the air.
if you believe the percentage is as simple as you posted -- "taking the deficit divided by US imports, with a minimum of 10 percent" -- then maybe take a class in international trade and economics.
From 1790 to 1860, average tariffs increased from
20 percent to 60 percent before declining again to
20 percent. From 1861 to 1933, which Irwin
characterizes as the "restriction period", the average
tariffs increased to 50 percent and remained at that
level for several decades. From 1934 onwards, which
Irwin characterizes as the "reciprocity period", the
average tariff declined substantially until it leveled
off at 5 percent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tariffs_in_the_United_States
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"Reciprocal rights and duties" are not entities that are quantifiable like goods are. That statement means each side is afforded the same rights and duties. That example is taken in the same context as concealed carry reciprocity, where the right to carry in one state is reciprocal in another.
When talking about goods, reciprocal just means "in exchange", not necessarily of the same value.
I notice how you have me buying the lobster dinner ($$$$) and you buying the coffee ($). In real life, I'm sure that's how you normally operate. :rofl:
In your example, you made it more ridiculous than it would actually be. If I bought you a lobster dinner, then you would reciprocate by picking up my check the next time we dined out. There has to be some level of similarity for it to be actually reciprocal. Hence, meeting tariff with tariff, regardless of the percentage, would be reciprocal.
Also, the "calculation" you found is ONLY for applying the policy to imported goods. The percentage itself is what includes the currency manipulation imbalance. There's no publicize equation for determining the percentage in a tariff. That number is defined by the economists who analyze what amount would be needed to balance the overall importation imbalance. There are more factors in that number than Trump pulling it out of the air.
How dare you not be objective and not use logic. What if this is a $100 cup of coffee. You know, the monkey poop type that's also covered with gold flakes and truffles. Then what if you're on top of Mount Everest and have to pay someone to deliver that cup of coffee. The delivery charge would be very high.
You're wrong for assuming a cup of coffee is one $ and lobster is more dollar signs $$$$.
#objective
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How dare you not be objective and not use logic. What if this is a $100 cup of coffee. You know, the monkey poop type that's also covered with gold flakes and truffles. Then what if you're on top of Mount Everest and have to pay someone to deliver that cup of coffee. The delivery charge would be very high.
You're wrong for assuming a cup of coffee is one $ and lobster is more dollar signs $$$$.
#objective
If i offered to buy EEF a lobster dinner, it's only because I have a BOGO coupon!
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Here is another great episode by Ron Yates
and It's only the beginning folks.
https://youtu.be/keu7SsRmiYM
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I'm again glad you have zero role in the negotiations. As seen in the Panama thread as the 1st evidence.
Insult without an argument. Feel free to return when you have actual facts or at least a rebuttal of some sort.
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"Reciprocal rights and duties" are not entities that are quantifiable like goods are. That statement means each side is afforded the same rights and duties. That example is taken in the same context as concealed carry reciprocity, where the right to carry in one state is reciprocal in another.
When talking about goods, reciprocal just means "in exchange", not necessarily of the same value.
I notice how you have me buying the lobster dinner ($$$$) and you buying the coffee ($). In real life, I'm sure that's how you normally operate. :rofl:
In your example, you made it more ridiculous than it would actually be. If I bought you a lobster dinner, then you would reciprocate by picking up my check the next time we dined out. There has to be some level of similarity for it to be actually reciprocal. Hence, meeting tariff with tariff, regardless of the percentage, would be reciprocal.
Also, the "calculation" you found is ONLY for applying the policy to imported goods. The percentage itself is what includes the currency manipulation imbalance. There's no publicize equation for determining the percentage in a tariff. That number is defined by the economists who analyze what amount would be needed to balance the overall importation imbalance. There are more factors in that number than Trump pulling it out of the air.
if you believe the percentage is as simple as you posted -- "taking the deficit divided by US imports, with a minimum of 10 percent" -- then maybe take a class in international trade and economics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tariffs_in_the_United_States
We have driver's license reciprocity across the country. Would you still consider it reciprocal if Washington state recognized a Hawaii driver's license but placed restrictions that meant we couldn't drive certain things/places that Washington drivers could? Personally I wouldn't refer to that as reciprocal and that is the problem I have with the way Trump is presenting his tariffs. He comes off to Americans as simply matching tariff for tariff, he says they are taking advantage of us and we are just playing fair by matching their tariffs. That is misleading because he isn't matching the tariffs of countries. He even made a chart claiming the tariffs by other countries but the chart is very misleading. For example the chart lists Japanese tariffs as 46% but they are nowhere near that.
Reciprocate doesn't have to mean the same in every single way but it implies a level of proportionality. If you tariff me at 1% and I tariff you back at 100% that isn't reciprocal even if I claim it it as "a tariff for a tariff".
The other problem is that Trump is acting like trade deficits are unfair taking advantage of us. It is like he doesn't understand how trade works, not every country is going to import and export to each other the same value of goods. Japan isn't taking advantage of us because we import more of their stuff than they do of our stuff and it certainly isn't a tariff that Japan is placing on us.
What currency manipulation is he even talking about? All the countries on his list are manipulating their currencies to hurt us? What evidence is there of that?
In real life you think I skate by purchasing a coffee for a friend after they buy me an expensive dinner? Thats a rather low blow based on absolutely nothing :wtf:
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We have driver's license reciprocity across the country. Would you still consider it reciprocal if Washington state recognized a Hawaii driver's license but placed restrictions that meant we couldn't drive certain things/places that Washington drivers could? Personally I wouldn't refer to that as reciprocal and that is the problem I have with the way Trump is presenting his tariffs. He comes off to Americans as simply matching tariff for tariff, he says they are taking advantage of us and we are just playing fair by matching their tariffs. That is misleading because he isn't matching the tariffs of countries. He even made a chart claiming the tariffs by other countries but the chart is very misleading. For example the chart lists Japanese tariffs as 46% but they are nowhere near that.
Reciprocate doesn't have to mean the same in every single way but it implies a level of proportionality. If you tariff me at 1% and I tariff you back at 100% that isn't reciprocal even if I claim it it as "a tariff for a tariff".
The other problem is that Trump is acting like trade deficits are unfair taking advantage of us. It is like he doesn't understand how trade works, not every country is going to import and export to each other the same value of goods. Japan isn't taking advantage of us because we import more of their stuff than they do of our stuff and it certainly isn't a tariff that Japan is placing on us.
What currency manipulation is he even talking about? All the countries on his list are manipulating their currencies to hurt us? What evidence is there of that?
In real life you think I skate by purchasing a coffee for a friend after they buy me an expensive dinner? Thats a rather low blow based on absolutely nothing :wtf:
Hypothetical nonsense. I gave you an example, and you reply with nonsense about drivers licenses having restrictions in one state another doesn't have. The reality is that all licensed drivers are allowed operate a motor vehicle in the class they are licensed to operate in all 50 states. Drivers are required to follow the laws of each state they drive in. For example, NC requires drivers to turn on headlights and tail lights anytime they have their windshield wipers on due to precipitation as a way to let other drivers see you in inclement weather. The reciprocity is in the privilege to drive on the state's roads, not in the rules one must follow which may vary. Therefore your analysis that this not exemplify reciprocity is 100% wrong.
Have you ever taken a driver's license test and scored more than the bare minimum? Most states allow you to use an out of state license for a period of time once you move into that state. If you are visiting, you can drive without that state's license being issued.
Driving privilege reciprocity allows a person to use a valid, unexpired foreign
license to operate a motor vehicle in Texas for up to one year or until a person
becomes a Texas resident, whichever date is sooner. Once a person becomes
a new Texas resident, they must apply for a Texas license within 90 days to
continue to drive legally. For more information, please review the Moving to
Texas page.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/section/driver-license/driving-privilege-reciprocity
Driver's license reciprocity refers to agreements between states that allow
drivers to use their licenses across state lines without needing to obtain a
new license. Most states participate in the Driver License Compact, which
facilitates the exchange of information about traffic violations and license
suspensions, but some states like Michigan, Wisconsin, and Georgia are
not members.
How many pages on this thread do you intend to waste debating the definition of a single term that is already defined in law and in the English language? Just because YOU disagree with the actual definition is no reason to waste our time with stupid and incorrect analogies.
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Hypothetical nonsense. I gave you an example, and you reply with nonsense about drivers licenses having restrictions in one state another doesn't have. The reality is that all licensed drivers are allowed operate a motor vehicle in the class they are licensed to operate in all 50 states. Drivers are required to follow the laws of each state they drive in. For example, NC requires drivers to turn on headlights and tail lights anytime they have their windshield wipers on due to precipitation as a way to let other drivers see you in inclement weather. The reciprocity is in the privilege to drive on the state's roads, not in the rules one must follow which may vary. Therefore your analysis that this not exemplify reciprocity is 100% wrong.
Have you ever taken a driver's license test and scored more than the bare minimum? Most states allow you to use an out of state license for a period of time once you move into that state. If you are visiting, you can drive without that state's license being issued. https://www.dps.texas.gov/section/driver-license/driving-privilege-reciprocity
How many pages on this thread do you intend to waste debating the definition of a single term that is already defined in law and in the English language? Just because YOU disagree with the actual definition is no reason to waste our time with stupid and incorrect analogies.
I know how driver's license reciprocity works, my whole point was that it wouldn't be reciprocal if all sorts of uneven stipulations were placed upon license from other states. It is reciprocal because they are treated EQUALLY. If Hawaii drivers weren't allowed to drive in snow but Washington drivers were that wouldn't be reciprocity.
Talking about the rules of the road for different states doesn't even fit because it has nothing to do with recognizing the licenses from the other states, therefore your example is 100% wrong.
How many pages of this thread do you intend to waste by arguing Trump's tortured use of the word? I gave you reasons why Trump's tariffs are not what he claims them to be and all you can do is dispute the use of the word reciprocal. It is like a criminal saying he didn't steal, he was just borrowing.
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I know how driver's license reciprocity works, my whole point was that it wouldn't be reciprocal if all sorts of uneven stipulations were placed upon license from other states. It is reciprocal because they are treated EQUALLY. If Hawaii drivers weren't allowed to drive in snow but Washington drivers were that wouldn't be reciprocity.
Talking about the rules of the road for different states doesn't even fit because it has nothing to do with recognizing the licenses from the other states, therefore your example is 100% wrong.
How many pages of this thread do you intend to waste by arguing Trump's tortured use of the word? I gave you reasons why Trump's tariffs are not what he claims them to be and all you can do is dispute the use of the word reciprocal. It is like a criminal saying he didn't steal, he was just borrowing.
He posted the definition. You're choosing to ignore it like usual. This is why now a thread is going on about a topic that isn't too important.
Lets see what your next reply to this post will be. I have a few guesses as you're very predictable.
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I know how driver's license reciprocity works, my whole point was that it wouldn't be reciprocal if all sorts of uneven stipulations were placed upon license from other states. It is reciprocal because they are treated EQUALLY. If Hawaii drivers weren't allowed to drive in snow but Washington drivers were that wouldn't be reciprocity.
Talking about the rules of the road for different states doesn't even fit because it has nothing to do with recognizing the licenses from the other states, therefore your example is 100% wrong.
How many pages of this thread do you intend to waste by arguing Trump's tortured use of the word? I gave you reasons why Trump's tariffs are not what he claims them to be and all you can do is dispute the use of the word reciprocal. It is like a criminal saying he didn't steal, he was just borrowing.
You're obviously being a fool with the sole purpose of trolling.
YOU are the one who brought up driving, which just like concealed carry reciprocity has nothing to do with how tariffs work.
But i'm tired of trying to teach you. You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
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You're obviously being a fool with the sole purpose of trolling.
YOU are the one who brought up driving, which just like concealed carry reciprocity has nothing to do with how tariffs work.
But i'm tired of trying to teach you. You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
There is no teaching some people. So continue what you do by posting facts that counter his post. Then all can see who the fool is.
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The trade war with China will be a difficult one to win. I've used this phrase before here and China has been winning the "economic war" for decades. They produce cheap products that consumers want at the price point. A lot of things are "made in China". Add to it that they've been hoarding our $100 bills. China gets away with cheap labor cause they don't care about wages or have as many safety requirements that are enforced like how the US does.
Their government also can control their flow of info and to some extent, what the world sees. Look at the covid numbers that the WHO reported as an example. None of the mainstream media reported on the taking of peoples pets if someone in the household had covid, etc...
Another thing China has going in their favor is that their culture is about saving face. Regardless of the ramifications of their actions, they rather look good. Then add in the control of info I mentioned above to assist this or deflect the real damages.
I'm thinking back to 2016 on how Trump was very adamant about bringing manufacturing back to the US. Why didn't he do the tariff thing in his 1st term? Prob cause he had to deal with all the BS court cases and fake news and stuff. Maybe he was setting the pace to do the tariff thing later. By getting the US used to buying USA made products, he has more cards in his deck when negotiating with China. I remember in his 1st term, we were selling China soy and rice cause their crops were all messed up due to pollution.
1 downfall of cheap China stuff is the quality. Some years ago, multiple condos had an arsenic problem with their cabinets all from China and different contractors/manufacturers. Then I would rather feed my child packaged food from the US, Japan, or Korea before a made in China food product. This isnt' to say that all their exports are poor quality, but enough that it has the stereotype.
I posted this before, but a guy I know is a business man and what he buys cost about $1K USD per unit. That same type of unit made in the USA would cost him $10K. So even with the increase in price, he still would buy from China over the US.
BIgger companies would have to reduce their prices like say Apple. Most won't pay $2500 for a new iPhone, $1200 or so is what people are willing to spend. So enter the Samsung (Korea) Android market increasing units sold I would assume. I remember seeing some years ago the mark up on Tesla's. The Model Y cost about $30K to make. $18K in parts and $12K in labor/equipment cost. How much does a Nike shoe cost to make in China or an iPhone? I saw an interview with Wozniack the guy who was 1 founder of Apple and he said the cost to make an iPhone is like $100 or less. I'm not sure how true this is as he's been out of the game well before the iPhone was created.
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The trade war with China will be a difficult one to win.
First, the US empire nor any other nation on Earth can win a trade war against China for the simple reason that no country can produce a consumer product at a lower price point than China. This should not be surprising for any economic historian as China HAS ALWAYS been a top economic powerhouse throughout many periods of its 5,000-year history.
Second, China and the rest of BRICS have already anticipated Trump's moves and have been preparing for that eventuality for the last few years. In the case of Russia, despite being kicked out of the G7 and the US imperial financial system entirely since fighting the US imperial proxy war against them, the parallel system of BRICS seems to be holding up adequately. If Russia has no signs of economic collapse, does anyone think just tariffs alone will stop China's economic rise?
Trump's tariffs against China like sanctions against Russia will do some harm but will not bring those two nations to their knees. If fact, Trump's tariffs are more self-defeating as they will more likely cause domestic unemployment and higher prices, thus, adding to the "misery index" made famous during the Carter Administration.
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HAS ALWAYS =/= "throughout many"
First, the US empire nor any other nation on Earth can win a trade war against China for the simple reason that no country can produce a consumer product at a lower price point than China. This should not be surprising for any economic historian as China HAS ALWAYS been a top economic powerhouse throughout many periods of its 5,000-year history.
Second, China and the rest of BRICS have already anticipated Trump's moves and have been preparing for that eventuality for the last few years. In the case of Russia, despite being kicked out of the G7 and the US imperial financial system entirely since fighting the US imperial proxy war against them, the parallel system of BRICS seems to be holding up adequately. If Russia has no signs of economic collapse, does anyone think just tariffs alone will stop China's economic rise?
Trump's tariffs against China like sanctions against Russia will do some harm but will not bring those two nations to their knees. If fact, Trump's tariffs are more self-defeating as they will more likely cause domestic unemployment and higher prices, thus, adding to the "misery index" made famous during the Carter Administration.
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First, the US empire nor any other nation on Earth can win a trade war against China for the simple reason that no country can produce a consumer product at a lower price point than China. This should not be surprising for any economic historian as China HAS ALWAYS been a top economic powerhouse throughout many periods of its 5,000-year history.
Second, China and the rest of BRICS have already anticipated Trump's moves and have been preparing for that eventuality for the last few years. In the case of Russia, despite being kicked out of the G7 and the US imperial financial system entirely since fighting the US imperial proxy war against them, the parallel system of BRICS seems to be holding up adequately. If Russia has no signs of economic collapse, does anyone think just tariffs alone will stop China's economic rise?
Trump's tariffs against China like sanctions against Russia will do some harm but will not bring those two nations to their knees. If fact, Trump's tariffs are more self-defeating as they will more likely cause domestic unemployment and higher prices, thus, adding to the "misery index" made famous during the Carter Administration.
China isn't the only one to use underpaid workers or poor quality materials. But, they probably do have a higher volume of workers. If the US stopped buying Chinese made products, then would other countries who can make them for a similar price would step up. These countries are making deals now due to the tariffs.
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First, the US empire nor any other nation on Earth can win a trade war against China for the simple reason that no country can produce a consumer product at a lower price point than China. This should not be surprising for any economic historian as China HAS ALWAYS been a top economic powerhouse throughout many periods of its 5,000-year history.
Second, China and the rest of BRICS have already anticipated Trump's moves and have been preparing for that eventuality for the last few years. In the case of Russia, despite being kicked out of the G7 and the US imperial financial system entirely since fighting the US imperial proxy war against them, the parallel system of BRICS seems to be holding up adequately. If Russia has no signs of economic collapse, does anyone think just tariffs alone will stop China's economic rise?
Trump's tariffs against China like sanctions against Russia will do some harm but will not bring those two nations to their knees. If fact, Trump's tariffs are more self-defeating as they will more likely cause domestic unemployment and higher prices, thus, adding to the "misery index" made famous during the Carter Administration.
Other growing 3rd world nations are undercutting China FYI. Vietnam and Bangladesh come to mind, entering higher level markets and serving as alternative sources for America to import cheap goods from.
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You're obviously being a fool with the sole purpose of trolling.
YOU are the one who brought up driving, which just like concealed carry reciprocity has nothing to do with how tariffs work.
But i'm tired of trying to teach you. You can lead a fool to knowledge, but you can't make him think.
Strawman, I didn't say license reciprocity were like tariffs, the point was about the meaning and application of the word reciprocal. The whole issue was that Trump's tariffs were not fair or matching and the only way to defend them was to nitpick the word reciprocal so Trump could be right on some technical level.
You don't have a good rebuttal so you call me a troll. I'd call that a win on my part. :thumbsup:
Meanwhile this whole shake up of markets is not looking good, even a number of republicans are criticizing them. Maybe 3 years from now we will have way more manufacturing and we can look back and say Trump was right but right now I would not bet money on Trump's vision working out well.
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Strawman, I didn't say license reciprocity were like tariffs, ...
Then why are you even arguing with a drivers license based argument?
Reciprocity has multiple contexts. But you had to muddy the water by trying to prove reciprocity for tariffs is like reciprocity for drivers licenses. Now you're admitting they are not the same, which was my original point after you said reciprocity means the sides are equal.
Just stop.
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Then why are you even arguing with a drivers license based argument?
Reciprocity has multiple contexts. But you had to muddy the water by trying to prove reciprocity for tariffs is like reciprocity for drivers licenses. Now you're admitting they are not the same, which was my original point after you said reciprocity means the sides are equal.
Just stop.
He doesn't know how. Which is why threads go on and on and on longer than they need to. Maybe people in real life let him get away with being wrong, but not here.
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now back to the topic and not beating a dead horse over word meanings.....
President Trump announced a 90-day pause on tariffs for over 75 countries,
reducing the rate to 10% to facilitate trade negotiations, while increasing tariffs
on Chinese goods to 125%. This decision came after significant market
volatility and was intended to encourage dialogue with trading partners.
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China isn't the only one to use underpaid workers or poor quality materials. But, they probably do have a higher volume of workers. If the US stopped buying Chinese made products, then would other countries who can make them for a similar price would step up. These countries are making deals now due to the tariffs.
Wrong, those tiny countries do not have any of the vast capacity that China does. In fact, those nations are producing at or near its own production limits as we speak. If they try to expand from what they are doing now, their cost per unit will go up.
This situation was similar for domestic ammo manufacturers. If you recall, when everyone was facing ammo shortages a few years ago, those companies that did try to expand operations got burned once the ammo crises died down. Whether you want to accept it or not, Chinese manufacturing will be a major part of the global economy from here on out. For American consumers, this is a good thing as no one is willing with many fewer people having the money to pay for things that are not in some capacity manufactured in China.
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Wrong, those tiny countries do not have any of the vast capacity that China does. In fact, those nations are producing at or near its own production limits as we speak. If they try to expand from what they are doing now, their cost per unit will go up.
This situation was similar for domestic ammo manufacturers. If you recall, when everyone was facing ammo shortages a few years ago, those companies that did try to expand operations got burned once the ammo crises died down. Whether you want to accept it or not, Chinese manufacturing will be a major part of the global economy from here on out. For American consumers, this is a good thing as no one is willing with many fewer people having the money to pay for things that are not in some capacity manufactured in China.
That's not how basic economics works.
Price Elasticity is the ratio between the percentage change in the quantity demanded (Qd) or supplied (Qs) and the corresponding percent change in price.
The price elasticity of demand is the percentage change in the quantity demanded of a good or service divided by the percentage change in the price.
The price elasticity of supply is the percentage change in quantity supplied divided by the percentage change in price.
Economies of Scale is when the average cost of producing each individual unit declines as total output increases.
So, basically, if US consumer demand shifts from China to other countries, even if they are currently at maximum output, there are many options to increase production that won't necessarily increase price. One way is to increase labor hours by paying overtime to current employees or hiring more. if production doesn't exceed demand, the additional units produced should not cost more. In fact, depending on the expansion details, the unit price can actually decrease as the cost per unit decreases and total volume increases.
Costs include fixed and variable costs. The fixed costs will be spread across many more units, so if variable costs per unit remain constant, the unit cost is less.
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Wrong, those tiny countries do not have any of the vast capacity that China does. In fact, those nations are producing at or near its own production limits as we speak. If they try to expand from what they are doing now, their cost per unit will go up.
This situation was similar for domestic ammo manufacturers. If you recall, when everyone was facing ammo shortages a few years ago, those companies that did try to expand operations got burned once the ammo crises died down. Whether you want to accept it or not, Chinese manufacturing will be a major part of the global economy from here on out. For American consumers, this is a good thing as no one is willing with many fewer people having the money to pay for things that are not in some capacity manufactured in China.
"Wrong"? This is the only part that was a statement: "China isn't the only one to use underpaid workers or poor quality materials. But, they probably do have a higher volume of workers."
The other part was a question as "if" and "would" words were used.
So is China the only one who uses under paid workers and poor quality materials? And/or do they not have a higher volume of workers?
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Other growing 3rd world nations are undercutting China FYI. Vietnam and Bangladesh come to mind, entering higher level markets and serving as alternative sources for America to import cheap goods from.
I seriously don't think they can undercut China. For it to be true, those countries must produce at a price point lower than China which is very unlikely.
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So is China the only one who uses under paid workers and poor quality materials? And/or do they not have a higher volume of workers?
Every third World country has low labor costs relative to China to exploit for their own nation's benefit. However, no country has lower labor costs as well as a gigantic labor force than China. Hence, those other nations do contribute to the global economy, but none can match China's capabilities.
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So, basically, if US consumer demand shifts from China to other countries, even if they are currently at maximum output, there are many options to increase production that won't necessarily increase price. One way is to increase labor hours by paying overtime to current employees or hiring more.
Here are the problems with your attempts to argue with me.
You say if US consumer demand shifts from China to other countries, they will not suffer increased production costs. This assumption is false because Trump only imposed tariffs on Chinese imports, not sanctions or bans of Chinese goods. If Trump wanted to sever all economic activity like the US empire did with Russia, it would have done otherwise. However, here is where China still is going to make money while American consumers will suffer. Despite attempts by other third World nations trying to fill-in the perceived void caused by Trump's tariffs to China, most imported Chinese goods will still be cheaper than similar goods supplied by other nations due to China's superior economies of scale it has over every other producing nation on Earth. In the end, China will still make some money, while American consumers will pay more for the same goods.
You also say those other third World nations could increase their own production output by paying overtime or hiring more workers, but you forget most of those countries are already working to full capacity given their own current economies of scale. Hence, for those countries to go beyond their current production capacities will more likely result in diminishing marginal utility where they are actually losing profit for that additional production run, they undertake.
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Every third World country has low labor costs relative to China to exploit for their own nation's benefit. However, no country has lower labor costs as well as a gigantic labor force than China. Hence, those other nations do contribute to the global economy, but none can match China's capabilities.
You said "Wrong" and didn't address my post about it. Did you use the word "wrong" incorrectly?
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I seriously don't think they can undercut China. For it to be true, those countries must produce at a price point lower than China which is very unlikely.
The cost of living in those countries is less so that is always going to give them some advantages. Plus companies that rely on China to produce all their goods have been diversifying to other Asian countries so they aren't so reliant on one single country. They couldn't replace China overnight but it is on the horizon I think.
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Then why are you even arguing with a drivers license based argument?
Reciprocity has multiple contexts. But you had to muddy the water by trying to prove reciprocity for tariffs is like reciprocity for drivers licenses. Now you're admitting they are not the same, which was my original point after you said reciprocity means the sides are equal.
Just stop.
I told you, the driver's license example was just to illustrate the concept of reciprocity.
You are trying to dress up a retaliatory tariff as a reciprocal tariff. Defend Trump's tariffs if you like, but I don't see why you persist in defending the dishonest representation he gives of the tariffs.
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Here are the problems with your attempts to argue with me.
You say if US consumer demand shifts from China to other countries, they will not suffer increased production costs. This assumption is false because Trump only imposed tariffs on Chinese imports, not sanctions or bans of Chinese goods. If Trump wanted to sever all economic activity like the US empire did with Russia, it would have done otherwise. However, here is where China still is going to make money while American consumers will suffer. Despite attempts by other third World nations trying to fill-in the perceived void caused by Trump's tariffs to China, most imported Chinese goods will still be cheaper than similar goods supplied by other nations due to China's superior economies of scale it has over every other producing nation on Earth. In the end, China will still make some money, while American consumers will pay more for the same goods.
You also say those other third World nations could increase their own production output by paying overtime or hiring more workers, but you forget most of those countries are already working to full capacity given their own current economies of scale. Hence, for those countries to go beyond their current production capacities will more likely result in diminishing marginal utility where they are actually losing profit for that additional production run, they undertake.
Wrong. There are way more people in those countries than there are currently jobs. increasing demand would necessarily create more production demand, resulting in a demand for more labor.
Or, is it your learned belief that every able-bodied man, woman and child is already working 18 hour days to produce widgets even though China is currently keeping them from entering the US market due to economies of scale advantages?
Your logic escapes me. If China currently corners the market on cheap widgets exported to the US and other countries, why are other countries currently producing the same widgets at 100% capacity? in what markets are those other countries selling their goods? It can't be in their own country, because the wages they are paid would not allow them to afford the widgets they make.
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Here's the real problem.
The U.S. had a $1.2 trillion goods trade deficit in 2024, and the largest deficits were with China and Mexico
The U.S. trade deficit with China was approximately $295.4 billion in 2024, which represents a 5.8% increase from the previous year.
This deficit is primarily due to higher imports from China compared to U.S. exports to the country.
What this means is, the companies trading with China have to find $295.4 billion to offset the deficit by increasing prices, taking on that much debt, selling property and equipment, or lowering labor costs by paying workers less in total compensation or firing people.
Tariffs are intended to either increase exports from the US to China, reduce exports from China to the US, or both. No matter what, increasing the cost of imports from China would create opportunities to start importing from other countries or start producing more in the US which creates more jobs and increases economic growth as well as adding more revenue to our tax collections.
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Here's the real problem.
The U.S. had a $1.2 trillion goods trade deficit in 2024, and the largest deficits were with China and Mexico
The U.S. trade deficit with China was approximately $295.4 billion in 2024, which represents a 5.8% increase from the previous year.
This is the big flaw in Trump's thinking. Trump thinks trade deficits are terrible and other countries taking advantage of us when that is not the case. Trade deficits and surpluses are always going to exist, money doesn't flow equally back and forth between every country.
I think tariffs against China are justifiable for different reasons but when it comes to these global tariffs Trump is putting in place he is putting his thumb on a worldwide scale that does a better job of balancing itself than when big government tries to control a market.
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This is the big flaw in Trump's thinking. Trump thinks trade deficits are terrible and other countries taking advantage of us when that is not the case. Trade deficits and surpluses are always going to exist, money doesn't flow equally back and forth between every country.
I think tariffs against China are justifiable for different reasons but when it comes to these global tariffs Trump is putting in place he is putting his thumb on a worldwide scale that does a better job of balancing itself than when big government tries to control a market.
"Trade deficits and surpluses are always going to exist, money doesn't flow equally back and forth between every country."
Yet you somehow believe tariffs have to be equal to be reciprocal or fair.
Think logically. If there's a trade deficit of billions, and both the US and China charge the same/equal tariff rates (your definition of reciprocal), then what's the point of tariffs? Raising the cost of exports equally between two countries only increases prices in both markets. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Financial expert Kevin O'Leary says US tariffs on China should be 400%. FYI: "IP" = Intellectual Property...
https://youtu.be/i0X4jqch7Rs
https://youtu.be/mpanvMEtlDk
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have you even looked at the list of tariffs other countries put on US goods?
This is the big flaw in Trump's thinking. Trump thinks trade deficits are terrible and other countries taking advantage of us when that is not the case. Trade deficits and surpluses are always going to exist, money doesn't flow equally back and forth between every country.
I think tariffs against China are justifiable for different reasons but when it comes to these global tariffs Trump is putting in place he is putting his thumb on a worldwide scale that does a better job of balancing itself than when big government tries to control a market.
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have you even looked at the list of tariffs other countries put on US goods?
I don't think he knows how "other countries'" economies function. Balance? LOL! Try oppressive taxes and slave wages.
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have you even looked at the list of tariffs other countries put on US goods?
Yes I did. I looked at Japan in more depth and Trump's 24% has no bearing on the tariff's Japan puts on US goods, they aren't even close to Japan's average of about 4% tariff on our goods.
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"Trade deficits and surpluses are always going to exist, money doesn't flow equally back and forth between every country."
Yet you somehow believe tariffs have to be equal to be reciprocal or fair.
Think logically. If there's a trade deficit of billions, and both the US and China charge the same/equal tariff rates (your definition of reciprocal), then what's the point of tariffs? Raising the cost of exports equally between two countries only increases prices in both markets. Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
Financial expert Kevin O'Leary says US tariffs on China should be 400%. FYI: "IP" = Intellectual Property...
I didn't say they have to be reciprocal or fair. I said Trump is being dishonest by claiming his tariffs are reciprocal or fair. Trump is engaging in protectionism, these are, ironically, traditionally liberal political stances.
There is a trade deficit between me and Mcdonalds. I have bought many burgers from them but they never buy anything from me but that's ok because trade doesn't have to be equal on all levels. McDonalds isn't unfair to me or cheating me out of my money because they don't buy stuff from me directly proportional to how much I have bought from them.
As it pertains to China I do support more aggressive tariffs on China but not because of the deficit rather because of their aggression, their IP theft, and a number of other factors. That is entirely different than the tariffs on our friends and neighbors.
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your post i was responding to said "global tarriffs" and when i asked about the "other countries" and you respond "i looked at japan"
FOCUS
Yes I did. I looked at Japan in more depth and Trump's 24% has no bearing on the tariff's Japan puts on US goods, they aren't even close to Japan's average of about 4% tariff on our goods.
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your post i was responding to said "global tarriffs" and when i asked about the "other countries" and you respond "i looked at japan"
FOCUS
He only looked at Japan, because he can't do his own homework.
Japan was likely the first country other than China to appear in his google results.
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I didn't say they have to be reciprocal or fair. I said Trump is being dishonest by claiming his tariffs are reciprocal or fair. Trump is engaging in protectionism, these are, ironically, traditionally liberal political stances.
There is a trade deficit between me and Mcdonalds. I have bought many burgers from them but they never buy anything from me but that's ok because trade doesn't have to be equal on all levels. McDonalds isn't unfair to me or cheating me out of my money because they don't buy stuff from me directly proportional to how much I have bought from them.
As it pertains to China I do support more aggressive tariffs on China but not because of the deficit rather because of their aggression, their IP theft, and a number of other factors. That is entirely different than the tariffs on our friends and neighbors.
Another poor example.
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I didn't say they have to be reciprocal or fair. I said Trump is being dishonest by claiming his tariffs are reciprocal or fair. Trump is engaging in protectionism, these are, ironically, traditionally liberal political stances.
There is a trade deficit between me and Mcdonalds. I have bought many burgers from them but they never buy anything from me but that's ok because trade doesn't have to be equal on all levels. McDonalds isn't unfair to me or cheating me out of my money because they don't buy stuff from me directly proportional to how much I have bought from them.
As it pertains to China I do support more aggressive tariffs on China but not because of the deficit rather because of their aggression, their IP theft, and a number of other factors. That is entirely different than the tariffs on our friends and neighbors.
Since when did McDonald's and EEF become countries? Point of fact: if McDonald's pays a tariff on supplies and/or food products imported from other countries, then EEF would, in fact, be paying McDonald's the same tariff percentage.
Tariff
A list or system of duties imposed by a government on imported or exported goods.
Do you consider McDonald's drive-thru to be a port? Is that where they export their goods to customers?
Time to Educate EEF again.
There's a massive difference between wholesale, retail, and consumer purchases.
McDonald's is a retailer. They buy their inventory wholesale. Some of that inventory may be imported from Mexico, Canada, etc. if the US imposes a tariff on imported beef, then the distributor who sells that beef to McDonald's paid that tariff. The price McDonald's paid for that imported beef was, in fact, higher because they in turn pay the importer the tariff fee.
When EEF goes to McDonald's and orders his 4 Big Macs for lunch, he's paying the tariff on imported Canadian beef.
Tariffs are nothing more than another tax with regards to who ultimately pays it. So, yes, EEF is paying the tariff on Canadian beef at McDonald's, not because he eats more Big Macs than McDonald's buys whatever EEF sells for a profit, but because trade tariffs are ultimately paid by the consumer/end user. That's how taxes and any other cost a company must pay the government works.
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Since when did McDonald's and EEF become countries? Point of fact: if McDonald's pays a tariff on supplies and/or food products imported from other countries, then EEF would, in fact, be paying McDonald's the same tariff percentage.
Tariff
A list or system of duties imposed by a government on imported or exported goods.
Do you consider McDonald's drive-thru to be a port? Is that where they export their goods to customers?
Time to Educate EEF again.
There's a massive difference between wholesale, retail, and consumer purchases.
McDonald's is a retailer. They buy their inventory wholesale. Some of that inventory may be imported from Mexico, Canada, etc. if the US imposes a tariff on imported beef, then the distributor who sells that beef to McDonald's paid that tariff. The price McDonald's paid for that imported beef was, in fact, higher because they in turn pay the importer the tariff fee.
When EEF goes to McDonald's and orders his 4 Big Macs for lunch, he's paying the tariff on imported Canadian beef.
Tariffs are nothing more than another tax with regards to who ultimately pays it. So, yes, EEF is paying the tariff on Canadian beef at McDonald's, not because he eats more Big Macs than McDonald's buys whatever EEF sells for a profit, but because trade tariffs are ultimately paid by the consumer/end user. That's how taxes and any other cost a company must pay the government works.
He's going to move goal post and change McDonalds to Jack in the Box, which still is a poor example.
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I didn't say they have to be reciprocal or fair. I said Trump is being dishonest by claiming his tariffs are reciprocal or fair. Trump is engaging in protectionism, these are, ironically, traditionally liberal political stances.
There is a trade deficit between me and Mcdonalds. I have bought many burgers from them but they never buy anything from me but that's ok because trade doesn't have to be equal on all levels. McDonalds isn't unfair to me or cheating me out of my money because they don't buy stuff from me directly proportional to how much I have bought from them.
As it pertains to China I do support more aggressive tariffs on China but not because of the deficit rather because of their aggression, their IP theft, and a number of other factors. That is entirely different than the tariffs on our friends and neighbors.
Absolutely idiotic. Someone did not take econ or probably failed the fuck out of it by comparing a business to a consumer in regards to tariffs. Just stop already. So fucking stupid. eyeeatingfish is a special type of stupid. Stop arguing 1+1= infinity. Fucking clown, midget pron show gone horribly wrong.
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Absolutely idiotic. Someone did not take econ or probably failed the fuck out of it by comparing a business to a consumer.in regards to tariffs. Just stop already. So fucking stupid. Stop arguing 1+1= infinity. Fucking clown, midget pron show gone horribly wrong.
Can the 2A forum impose a tariff on members who use the site far more than others, but who don't provide anything of value? Sounds like a textbook example of an 'imbalance" which needs corrective action.
Classifieds excluded, or course.
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Can the 2A forum impose a tariff on members who use the site far more than others, but who don't provide anything of value? Sounds like a textbook example of an 'imbalance" which needs corrective action.
Classifieds excluded, or course.
Bro, don't tariff my goalpost moving business. Even though I do not sell the actual goalpost. But just move the existing one that someone else either made in the US or brought in from another country.
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With regard to the college shooting in Florida today, Trump says he won't be pushing for more gun laws.
Info: Shooter was 20 and a child of a sheriff. Reports sounds like he stole 1 of his parents gun to use.
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With regard to the college shooting in Florida today, Trump says he won't be pushing for more gun laws.
Info: Shooter was 20 and a child of a sheriff. Reports sounds like he stole 1 of his parents gun to use.
If it was one of us we would get the book thrown at us, thrown in jail, and key thrown away.
Wonder what his deputy sheriff mommy will get.
Just guess. You'd probably be right.
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If it was one of us we would get the book thrown at us, thrown in jail, and key thrown away.
Wonder what his deputy sheriff mommy will get.
Just guess. You'd probably be right.
I'll bet theres a law enforcement exclusion for any type of law that would affect if she were a normal citizen.
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I'll bet theres a law enforcement exclusion for any type of law that would affect if she were a normal citizen.
Qualified immunity is a perk when facing legal troubles.
I figured out that's why a certain member here uses so many qualifiers --
to give himself qualified immunity whenever his comments are challenged. :rofl: :geekdanc:
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More good news from the Trump White House.
Tuna fishing areas will be opened up again for Hawaii and Samoa fishing fleets.
What a shame this did not make the local news.
Oh well I understand how the news is biased against the orange man.
https://youtu.be/pI5tuPxa6IA
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The wife just told me the story made the 10pm news.
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I wasn't sure Dr. Oz would be a good choice by Trump, but...
Per press conference
"SHOCKER: Dr. Oz just EXPOSED the jaw-dropping fraud bleeding America’s healthcare system dry—and says a war room is now hunting down the abusers.
The examples he laid out? Absolutely mind-blowing.
Every single one is a bombshell:
“Almost a quarter million people, American citizens were fraudulently enrolled, without their knowledge, in exchange programs by brokers.”
“Tens of millions of dollars… are being spent on illegal immigrants receive Medicaid in California and pushing the bill to us.”
“We are spending about a billion dollars on Medicaid programs for dual state eligible patients… we’re paying all three states for services you’re not getting because you don’t live in three states all at once.”
And it gets even more outrageous.
Medicaid dollars are being funneled into non-medical perks:
“Public labor unions are getting childcare through some of this money—Housekeeping! I wish I could get that for my home.”
“There’s a big problem with student loan repayments taking place with Medicaid dollars. That’s not where it should be used.”
“And we are paying for DEI programs.”
Dr. Oz says enough is enough.
“We have created a war room at CMS to go after, to catch the fraud in real time before the money leaves the federal coffers.”
This isn’t a reform. It’s a reckoning."
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Absolutely idiotic. Someone did not take econ or probably failed the fuck out of it by comparing a business to a consumer in regards to tariffs. Just stop already. So fucking stupid. eyeeatingfish is a special type of stupid. Stop arguing 1+1= infinity. Fucking clown, midget pron show gone horribly wrong.
Don't mince words anymore, tell me how you really feel.
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Can the 2A forum impose a tariff on members who use the site far more than others, but who don't provide anything of value? Sounds like a textbook example of an 'imbalance" which needs corrective action.
Classifieds excluded, or course.
Sure, charge me 200% more than all the other users are charged :rofl:
You post 8.6 posts per day. I post 2.3 posts per day. Your tariff is going to be a lot higher than mine.
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Since when did McDonald's and EEF become countries? Point of fact: if McDonald's pays a tariff on supplies and/or food products imported from other countries, then EEF would, in fact, be paying McDonald's the same tariff percentage.
Tariff
A list or system of duties imposed by a government on imported or exported goods.
Do you consider McDonald's drive-thru to be a port? Is that where they export their goods to customers?
Time to Educate EEF again.
There's a massive difference between wholesale, retail, and consumer purchases.
McDonald's is a retailer. They buy their inventory wholesale. Some of that inventory may be imported from Mexico, Canada, etc. if the US imposes a tariff on imported beef, then the distributor who sells that beef to McDonald's paid that tariff. The price McDonald's paid for that imported beef was, in fact, higher because they in turn pay the importer the tariff fee.
When EEF goes to McDonald's and orders his 4 Big Macs for lunch, he's paying the tariff on imported Canadian beef.
Tariffs are nothing more than another tax with regards to who ultimately pays it. So, yes, EEF is paying the tariff on Canadian beef at McDonald's, not because he eats more Big Macs than McDonald's buys whatever EEF sells for a profit, but because trade tariffs are ultimately paid by the consumer/end user. That's how taxes and any other cost a company must pay the government works.
Mcdonalds was a simple example to illustrate how buying and selling between two parties aren't going to equal out all the time. I guess that was still too complex for you to understand?
Lets try a simpler example
Country A has a lot of wheat which they sell to country B. Country B has a lot of oil they sell to country C. Country C has a lot of iron ore that they sell to Country A. Country A might have a deficit with Country C but they have a surplus with country B and things balance out in the market with all the countries. Each country doesn't have to have a perfect balance of trade with each other country.
Trump has this false notion that our imports and exports have to be equal with each individual country.
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Mcdonalds was a simple example to illustrate how buying and selling between two parties aren't going to equal out all the time. I guess that was still too complex for you to understand?
Lets try a simpler example
Country A has a lot of wheat which they sell to country B. Country B has a lot of oil they sell to country C. Country C has a lot of iron ore that they sell to Country A. Country A might have a deficit with Country C but they have a surplus with country B and things balance out in the market with all the countries. Each country doesn't have to have a perfect balance of trade with each other country.
Trump has this false notion that our imports and exports have to be equal with each individual country.
Or your McDonalds was another bad example like usual.
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Sure, charge me 200% more than all the other users are charged :rofl:
You post 8.6 posts per day. I post 2.3 posts per day. Your tariff is going to be a lot higher than mine.
With the exception of when i try to correct your BS and get drawn into a stupid argument over word definitions, the majority of my posts contribute to the forum in a constructive, informative and interesting way -- at least that's the objective.
You spend nearly all your posts arguing over what others posted.
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You spend nearly all your posts arguing over what others posted.
And moving goal post.
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Another win! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Employers added 177,000 jobs in April,
topping analyst forecasts
Employers across the U.S. added 177,000 jobs in April, new federal data shows,
a sign the labor market is still humming despite ongoing economic uncertainty
caused by the Trump administration's trade policies.
Job growth was stronger than expected in April, the Labor Department said Friday
in its monthly employment report. Payroll gains exceeded economist forecasts of
135,000 last month, according to financial data firm FactSet.
The nation's unemployment rate held steady at 4.2%, matching forecasts from
analysts polled by FactSet.
The data suggests the labor market remains healthy despite rising concerns about
how the Trump administration's tariff policies will impact economic activity.
Carl Weinberg, chief economist with High Frequency Economics, said in a research
note that the stronger-than-expected pace of job-creation last month shows the risks
of a recession are low, at least for now.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jobs-report-today-april-2025-economy-tariffs-trump/
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With the exception of when i try to correct your BS and get drawn into a stupid argument over word definitions, the majority of my posts contribute to the forum in a constructive, informative and interesting way -- at least that's the objective.
You keep telling yourself that.
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SCOTUS ruled to support the ban on tranny's from the military.
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You keep telling yourself that.
He's correct. I don't reply in detail to your post anymore due to not wasting my time. Nothing I post to show you're wrong again will change your mind or get you to admit you're wrong. Flapp has more time than I do.
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He's correct. I don't reply in detail to your post anymore due to not wasting my time. Nothing I post to show you're wrong again will change your mind or get you to admit you're wrong. Flapp has more time than I do.
He has more time than you do which is why you jump in as his attack dog for him all the time? You don't reply in detail because your arguments are empty.
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He has more time than you do which is why you jump in as his attack dog for him all the time? You don't reply in detail because your arguments are empty.
Keep thinking that as I know it makes you feel justified. Thanks for playing.
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RX drugs gonna be slashed up to 80%. I remember back in 2018 or so, another forum member posted about the cost of insulin he paid out of pocket and it was like $400/mo I think. Then Trump announced the RX slashing and it would have gone down to $80/mo. He was looking forward to the savings. Trumps XO about this back then gave the big pharma some years before it took effect. Then Brandon undid the XO before it could have taken effect.
The above is from memory and I'm not sure about the cost.
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Bonus round: Ceasefire to the Inda vs Pakistan Turd World War
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My mistake, it was the LAST American hostage released by Hamas.
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Bonus round: Ceasefire to the Inda vs Pakistan Turd World War
No more World War 7/11?
Glad they managed to calm that powder keg... for now.
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No more World War 7/11?
Glad they managed to calm that powder keg... for now.
Who is they?
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Who is they?
Pakistan and India....
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lul...
Pakistan and India....
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Pakistan and India....
Hahahahahhaha.
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lul...
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SWOOOSSSHHHH
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I didn't know where to put this. DOGE thread or fake news thread.
Why are so many companies ending their DEI program? Were they getting federal funding that DOGE cut off?
Why isn't this big news on the fake news feeds? Seems like a perfect way to bash Trump and call him a X-phobe
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More winning!!
Trump's tariffs to remain in effect
after appeals court grants stay
A federal appeals court temporarily reinstated the most sweeping of President
Donald Trump's tariffs on Thursday, a day after a U.S. trade court ruled that
Trump had exceeded his authority in imposing the duties and ordered an immediate
block on them.
The United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit in Washington said it
was pausing the lower court's ruling to consider the government's appeal, and
ordered the plaintiffs in the cases to respond by June 5 and the administration by
June 9.
https://www.reuters.com/business/us-ruling-that-trump-tariffs-are-unlawful-stirs-relief-uncertainty-2025-05-29/
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Transportation Secretary stated no DOT funding will be given to sanctuary cities to repair stuff done by the rioters.
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Good news for gear heads.
https://youtu.be/39QAHKc9uas
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IDK which thread it was in but Flapp posted about the census. Looks like Trump already has a plan in place of not counting illegals.
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IDK which thread it was in but Flapp posted about the census. Looks like Trump already has a plan in place of not counting illegals.
I've mentioned this before, but this post pretty mch illustrates why it's a big deal.
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=35680.msg315360#msg315360
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https://x.com/MAGAVoice/status/1953916015521464711
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Liberal heads are exploding...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/08/trump-nobel-peace-prize-nomination/85584807007/
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Liberal heads are exploding...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/08/08/trump-nobel-peace-prize-nomination/85584807007/
Obama was awarded a Nobel Prize for doing absolutely nothing other than being the first Black US President. I believe this falls under the heading of DEI.
Nominations for the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize closed just 11 days after Obama took office.
11 DAYS!!
Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize in 2009 for his
"extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation
between peoples," particularly his vision for a world free from nuclear weapons.
The award was announced on October 9, 2009, and he accepted it on
December 10, 2009, in Oslo, Norway.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Nobel_Peace_Prize
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He plans to deploy the NG in DC due to the crime that happens there. IIRC, they're like top 5 in the nation for gun murders some years ago. I looked into this and used it in testimony here when HI was trying to pass more gun laws. I forget which one. But it went something like if u deleted the top 5 cities for gun murders, the USA drops from like 14th worldwide to 100th for gun deaths. THe other cities were Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, and St. Louis.
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How many election cycles have we heard the Democrats lie about Social Security benefits being cut massively if a Republican is in office?
Well, Trump just announced 275,000 illegal aliens were kicked off Social Security benefits.
Seems like fighting fraud to this degree would help the Social Security system survive as well as increase benefits to those who legally deserve it and reduce paycheck deductions for workers.
Trump touts eye-popping number of illegal migrants
and dead Americans he's kicked off Social Security
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15001701/trump-number-illegal-migrants-dead-americans-social-security.html
https://youtu.be/Z1PgQdhphFQ
Trump just canceled 6,000 social security numbers for illegals, too.
https://youtu.be/cr4AvnjjZ3I
DOGE reports illegal migrants getting
taxpayer-funded benefits like Medicaid
https://youtu.be/ypuDpbppQTM
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New XO about burning the American flag and 1 year in jail.
What you do on your property, I consider free speech. What you do on a public sidewalk is a fire hazard. Goes for any item being burned.
I didn't read the XO, so IDK what it fully says. Just going off the headlines.
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cool story, bro...
New XO about burning the American flag and 1 year in jail.
What you do on your property, I consider free speech. What you do on a public sidewalk is a fire hazard. Goes for any item being burned.
I didn't read the XO, so IDK what it fully says. Just going off the headlines.
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New executive order!
All MP5s sold in the US come stock with FRTs now.
Okay it's not true, but we are still one step closer to living the dream someday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMnQCDTtt04
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New XO about burning the American flag and 1 year in jail.
What you do on your property, I consider free speech. What you do on a public sidewalk is a fire hazard. Goes for any item being burned.
I didn't read the XO, so IDK what it fully says. Just going off the headlines.
Here is the order.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/08/prosecuting-burning-of-the-american-flag/
The argument the XO makes is that it may incite violence and riot. That isn't going to hold much water under the Brandenberger test though.
I agree with you, the only way any prosecution for flag burning would be by making it about something else. Theft and damage to someone else's flag or fire hazard type crime, etc.
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The way I interpret this XO is if you are a US Citizen and it is your personal flag or a flag given to you for your use, then you have a 1st amendment right to do what you want with that flag. You cannot take it from someone else's property and desecrate it. If you are a foreign national and desecrate the US flag, you may be impriso ed and/or deported. It makes sense to me.
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The way I interpret this XO is if you are a US Citizen and it is your personal flag or a flag given to you for your use, then you have a 1st amendment right to do what you want with that flag. You cannot take it from someone else's property and desecrate it. If you are a foreign national and desecrate the US flag, you may be impriso ed and/or deported. It makes sense to me.
Permanent residents do not have all the "rights" that US Citizens do. 1 example is if you try to overthrow the government, your permanent resident status can be revoked. Some may say if one of these people joined a militia, that could be seen as trying to over throw the government. This ties into the verbiage of the 2A "well regulated militia".
Thanks for your more detailed interpretation of the XO, I still didn't read it as I have other stuff to do. Your post answers my thoughts.
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The way I interpret this XO is if you are a US Citizen and it is your personal flag or a flag given to you for your use, then you have a 1st amendment right to do what you want with that flag. You cannot take it from someone else's property and desecrate it. If you are a foreign national and desecrate the US flag, you may be impriso ed and/or deported. It makes sense to me.
This is the way it should be. Although a US Citizen that has an issue with his country shouldn't go as far as burning or desecrating the flag of the United States.
My opinion, of course.
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The way I interpret this XO is if you are a US Citizen and it is your personal flag or a flag given to you for your use, then you have a 1st amendment right to do what you want with that flag. You cannot take it from someone else's property and desecrate it. If you are a foreign national and desecrate the US flag, you may be impriso ed and/or deported. It makes sense to me.
Foreigners have pretty much all the same free speech protections Americans do. It could certainly be a reason to not approve someone's request for a visa though.
Of course it is rather rude to insult a country hosting you.
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Foreigners have pretty much all the same free speech protections Americans do. It could certainly be a reason to not approve someone's request for a visa though.
Of course it is rather rude to insult a country hosting you.
"pretty much" means not full 1a protections. Refer to my post about any permanent resident trying to overthrow the government. They also can own guns and get a CCW.
All these people who had major law breaking should have been deported at that time. But I guess better late than never. My friend wanted to go to Tahiti to visit his parents. He's a US citizen and his parents are Tahitian citizens. He was denied entry because he had a DUI in Hawaii a few years prior. Then 2 of the cast members of Jersey Shore were denied entry into Italy due to their DUI. The producers had to pull strings to get them in so they could film there.
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Largest ICE arrest in history!
475 workers at a Hyundai plant were detained. 300 of the illegal employees were Korean.
https://youtu.be/ADizJ80fP7o
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This is what I imagine the immigration inspectors saw when they opened the wrong door at the Mitsubishi plant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHS_GQLgqtM
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Largest ICE arrest in history!
475 workers at a Mitsubishi plant were detained. 300 of the illegal employees were Korean.
https://youtu.be/ADizJ80fP7o
I thought they were only going after mexicans (sarcasm)
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I thought they were only going after mexicans (sarcasm)
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waycist
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IDK whether to put this here or in the fake news thread.
I've been seeing more and more interviews of people who voted/support for Trump, and then who's spouse, family, or themselves were deported. And now they regret their vote.
Same goes with business people who employed illegals and now have no workers to run the business.
Yes, I voted for this. For too long we have let illegals work unchecked. And for too long, we have let people who are guest here break the law and remain. There also has been increasing stories of permanent residents who the fake news leaves out committed a crime, then was recently deported. They should have been deported back when the crime was committed. There's 1 local story of that lady who was caught stealing money from her employer 20 years ago and was recently deported due to that. Then the former military member (I can't remember the branch) who had a drug conviction from 12 years ago who was recently deported.
At the same time, the fake news is saying that millions of jobs are now impacted due to no workers due to the deportations. But yet, they also report that unemployment is super high due to no jobs available and it's Trumps fault for the high unemployment.
For every job I had, I had to show my social security card. From being a bag boy to white collar jobs. So how did these illegals get a social security card? It's amazing the legal documents that they're able to get (drivers licenses).
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It's amazing the legal documents that they're able to get (drivers licenses).
Every one comes with a free mail in ballot now
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IDK whether to put this here or in the fake news thread.
I've been seeing more and more interviews of people who voted/support for Trump, and then who's spouse, family, or themselves were deported. And now they regret their vote.
Same goes with business people who employed illegals and now have no workers to run the business.
Yes, I voted for this. For too long we have let illegals work unchecked. And for too long, we have let people who are guest here break the law and remain. There also has been increasing stories of permanent residents who the fake news leaves out committed a crime, then was recently deported. They should have been deported back when the crime was committed. There's 1 local story of that lady who was caught stealing money from her employer 20 years ago and was recently deported due to that. Then the former military member (I can't remember the branch) who had a drug conviction from 12 years ago who was recently deported.
At the same time, the fake news is saying that millions of jobs are now impacted due to no workers due to the deportations. But yet, they also report that unemployment is super high due to no jobs available and it's Trumps fault for the high unemployment.
For every job I had, I had to show my social security card. From being a bag boy to white collar jobs. So how did these illegals get a social security card? It's amazing the legal documents that they're able to get (drivers licenses).
So, what you're really saying is the criminals (employers and illegals) are mad because they helped elect someone who actually enforces immigration law?
Funny, since Obama still holds the record for an administration's total deportations. And Biden's deportation numbers were the lowest in decades even though the number of illegals coming into the US surged during his administration.
Even LEGAL immigrants voted for Trump and his agenda to do something toward fixing border security and illegal immigration.
This report estimates that 39 Million Americans have had their Social Security Numbers stolen and used by illegals to obtain employment, receive tax refunds, and receive Social Security benefits. **
https://www.irli.org/39-million-irli-investigation-reveals-massive-identity-fraud-by-illegal-al/
** Note: make sure you've taken your blood pressure meds before reading!
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There is a huge disparity between illegal workers being caught and prosecuted/deported and the people who hire them. Looked it up and the average was about 11 cases per year. They need to start chasing after the people who hire illegals otherwise the problem will never end because as long as someone gives them work, they will come for the work.
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There is a huge disparity between illegal workers being caught and prosecuted/deported and the people who hire them. Looked it up and the average was about 11 cases per year. They need to start chasing after the people who hire illegals otherwise the problem will never end because as long as someone gives them work, they will come for the work.
Yes. Much more strategic, effective, and humane. They are the enablers, in tandem with the political party seeking to conduct the invasion - while homeless and working-poor Americans languish on our streets.
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There is a huge disparity between illegal workers being caught and prosecuted/deported and the people who hire them. Looked it up and the average was about 11 cases per year. They need to start chasing after the people who hire illegals otherwise the problem will never end because as long as someone gives them work, they will come for the work.
I hope they do this as well. And going another step further. How did an illegal get documents if employers ask for them. Like a social security card, etc...Like I posted above, for all my jobs, I had to show my SS card and ID (drivers license). To get my license, I had to show my birth certificate.
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There is a huge disparity between illegal workers being caught and prosecuted/deported and the people who hire them. Looked it up and the average was about 11 cases per year. They need to start chasing after the people who hire illegals otherwise the problem will never end because as long as someone gives them work, they will come for the work.
It's hard to prove intent when the illegals have forged documents and stolen social security numbers.
The people hiring day workers or household help are paying them under the table anyway, So those people aren't being investigated unless someone reports them. it's the businesses hiring many workers who get charged.
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It's hard to prove intent when the illegals have forged documents and stolen social security numbers.
The people hiring day workers or household help are paying them under the table anyway, So those people aren't being investigated unless someone reports them. it's the businesses hiring many workers who get charged.
The employer is a harder case to prove but it will make a bigger difference. Going after the workers is going after the low hanging fruit and will only ensure you never run out of small cases.
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The employer is a harder case to prove but it will make a bigger difference. Going after the workers is going after the low hanging fruit and will only ensure you never run out of small cases.
It has to start from somewhere and the individual is the obvious starting point. I hope they investigate how they got documents and so on.
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It has to start from somewhere and the individual is the obvious starting point. I hope they investigate how they got documents and so on.
The individual may be the starting point but the problem is it is almost always the end point. People aren't working up the food chain, get the easy stat rather than making the case that matters.
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America will see its largest
mass resignation in history
as 100,000 federal workers
are set to quit their jobs today
This was published on Sept 30, the end of the fiscal year.
While many U.S. workers cling to their paychecks as the job market
is rocked by AI-related headcount cuts and dwindling opportunities,
federal employees in the thousands are willfully walking out the door.
Today, America will experience its largest mass resignation in history,
as 100,000 federal workers are set to formally quit their jobs. It’s a
result of the Trump administration’s “fork in the road” Deferred Resignation
Program (DRP) that staffers have taken up over previous months,
who were allowed to transfer their workload and go on administrative
leave until the official end date of federal service on Sept. 30, 2025.
The Office of Personnel Management (OPM) tells Fortune that about
154,000 federal workers in total took the deal, with the majority leaving
today and others exiting by the end of the year.
https://fortune.com/2025/09/30/us-largest-mass-resignation-in-history-federal-workers-careers-donald-trump-administration-doge-job-hugging/
These were the redundant and under-utilized workers DOGE uncovered in their interviews.
DRP --
This Trump administration program allowed
federal employees to transfer their workload,
leave their job and go on administrative leave
through a certain end date before resignation.
For many employees who elected to take the
DRP, their last day of federal service will be
Sept. 30, 2025.
Federal employees who meet certain eligibility
criteria have also opted into the Voluntary Early
Retirement Authority (VERA) or accepted a
lump sum via the Voluntary Separation
Incentive Payment Program (VSIP). Many of
these employees have already left federal
service or will be doing so soon.
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(https://i.imgur.com/npDXYa1.png?1)
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President Trump once again demonstrates how 4D Chess works while Democrats accuse Republicans of refusing to negotiate.
Democrats forced a government shutdown over healthcare for illegal aliens. I guess you can also view it from the other perspective. Republicans forced a government shutdown over healthcare for illegal aliens. It's like when you are negotiating a car deal, and the salesman says, "Are you seriously going to pass on this car over a measly $250 documentation fee?" Your reply is, "Are you?" One option involves spending more, while the other does not.
Trump says if the Democrats refuse to remove healthcare for illegal aliens from the spending bill, he will start mass layoffs of federal employees. He says his focus on which agencies to shutdown are Democrat organizations such as the Freedom Caucus. That takes the issue out of the "to spend or not to spend" category and places it firmly into the realm of "FA&FO."
This shutdown gives the President more discretion in where to spend available funding. You can't fund everything during a shutdown.
The irony in Dems accusing the GOP of not negotiating is how often they play that card. When they are in power, they push through whatever they want while they have the numbers. When roles reverse, suddenly it's expected of the majority to negotiate. If the GOP capitulates in oder to reopen the government, the Dems will predictably call them out for having the majority and getting nothing accomplished. As Obama famously said, "We don't mind the Republicans joining us. They can come for the ride, but they gotta sit in back."
What's the use in gaining a majority in the House & Senate, a President, and a Supreme Court that is more fair than Liberally biaed just to squander that away on the other side's criticisms? They are going to accuse you of not doing something right no matter which way you go, so don't be so afraid of their BS.
:thumbsup: :geekdanc:
https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/unprecedented-opportunity-trump-reveals-plan-to-exploit-shutdown-to-ax-democrat-agencies/
https://youtu.be/grbNi4qz2mI
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The left also controls the media, which means they control the narrative of "GOP bad, DNC good" and "the GOP is taking away healthcare", but leave out "for illegals".
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The left also controls the media, which means they control the narrative of "GOP bad, DNC good" and "the GOP is taking away healthcare", but leave out "for illegals".
That control is no longer as relevant or as strong as it used to be.
The corporate main stream media giants have competition now like never before.
Many news agencies have started coming around and reporting the truth, or at least not publishing lies as if they are true (only that so-and-so said it), because it's become too easy for the individual to find the actual truth.
Rather than listen to someone tell you their conclusions based on some video, you can find that video, watch it, and make your own conclusions. AI is getting in the way of that, so more vetting processes and tools will have to follow.
i like Tim Pool's videos because he shows you where he got his information. He's a lot like Rush Limbaugh was in that he reads the news to you, adds from sources the news didn't included, tells you where to find it, and then tells you to make up your own mind. Nobody can tell you every day, several times a day, and from hundreds of sources what's true. Reporters make mistakes, lie and sometimes just piggyback on other stories without anything original to add. Asking you to agree with their conclusions would be to give an appearance of accuracy above what is actually present.
The people who exist in ideological bubbles and cults will never believe opposing narratives, and arguing with them wastes everyone's time and energy. Half the county didn't believe Biden was mentally incompetent and voted for him even after the other half was telling them over and over and producing real evidence. After the election, suddenly the media and politicians with a modicum of humility admitted they didn't want to believe the truth, and now they realize it was their mistake to follow what they were being told to think.
No matter what, it's always easier to
get someone to believe a lie
than it is to convince them
that they were lied to.
Nobody wants to admit to being fooled.
Ex-CNN pundit apologizes for ignoring
Biden’s mental decline: 'I should've
pushed harder'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/ex-cnn-pundit-apologizes-ignoring-bidens-mental-decline
White House aides hid Biden’s apparent
mental decline from Day 1 of his presidency,
explosive report reveals
https://nypost.com/2024/12/19/us-news/white-house-aides-hid-bidens-apparent-mental-decline-from-day-1-of-his-presidency-explosive-report-reveals/
Dems walk out of hearing probing
Biden’s mental state
https://www.newsnationnow.com/politics/biden-cognitive-decline-hearing-cover-up/
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All hostages have been released by Hamas. Ceasefire in effect and more to come. It didn't happen as quick as Trump stated it would, but he's been more vocal about doing more than Brandon did. Even if Brandon was doing things behind the scenes during his presidency, it had no results.
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All hostages have been released by Hamas.
This is good news and how happy and ecstatic their family and friends must be. Personally I'm not too optimistic about how long this "peace" will last however I am pleased with the job that Trump is doing in trying to establish peace in the region.
Hamas is showing signs that they do not want to go away. Not sure how solid this phase 2 plan is with all concerned but I've always subscribed to the notion that you do not negotiate with terrorists.
A strange event happening right now is that one of the conditions be that Hamas lay down all their arms. If they don't Trump is said that he will give Israel the green light to go back in to finish the job. Yet the refugees were allowed to start going back to Gaza before this condition is being met. Talk about giving them leverage again.
A disaster waiting to happen. WTF???!!!
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This is good news and how happy and ecstatic their family and friends must be. Personally I'm not too optimistic about how long this "peace" will last however I am pleased with the job that Trump is doing in trying to establish peace in the region.
Hamas is showing signs that they do not want to go away. Not sure how solid this phase 2 plan is with all concerned but I've always subscribed to the notion that you do not negotiate with terrorists.
A strange event happening right now is that one of the conditions be that Hamas lay down all their arms. If they don't Trump is said that he will give Israel the green light to go back in to finish the job. Yet the refugees were allowed to start going back to Gaza before this condition is being met. Talk about giving them leverage again.
A disaster waiting to happen. WTF???!!!
Israel has wanted peace a few times for the past decades and it was never maintained. IMO, Israel needs to destroy Hamas as they've shown that they cannot be bargained with if Israel does want lasting peace in the region.
As Charlie Kirk stated, between the 2, Israel is the more moral.
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Israel has wanted peace a few times for the past decades and it was never maintained. IMO, Israel needs to destroy Hamas as they've shown that they cannot be bargained with if Israel does want lasting peace in the region.
As Charlie Kirk stated, between the 2, Israel is the more moral.
Saying "Destroy Hamas" is like saying "Destroy the US Democrats". They are the ruling faction in Gaza as a result of their 2006 legislative elections just as the Democrats here are firmly embedded as one of the only 2 viable political parties supported by about half the voters and whose elected and appointed members enjoy a great deal of power in government.
Hamas has governed the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007. If we were to try to destroy them, it would require a political coup.
The people who elected them would not stand for it, assuming they actually support Hamas and didn't vote for them out of fear.
Before Hamas can be destroyed, the support of the people must be diverted elsewhere. Liberating people who do not want to be liberated will fail every time.
Hamas was discreetly supported by Israel, as a counter-balance to the
secular Palestinian Liberation Organisation (PLO) to prevent the creation
of an independent Palestinian state.
In the 2006 Palestinian legislative election, Hamas secured a majority in
the Palestinian Legislative Council by campaigning on promises of a
corruption-free government and advocating for resistance as a means to
liberate Palestine from Israeli occupation.
In the 2007 Battle of Gaza, Hamas seized control of the Gaza Strip from
rival Palestinian faction Fatah, and has since governed the territory separately
from the Palestinian National Authority. After Hamas's takeover, Israel
significantly intensified existing movement restrictions and imposed a complete
blockade of the Gaza Strip. Egypt also began its blockade of Gaza at this time.
This was followed by multiple wars with Israel, including those in 2008–09, 2012,
2014, 2021, and an ongoing one since 2023, which began with the October 7
attacks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
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A ton of good videos, facts, and recaps of who's happy with this news and who isn't.
https://youtu.be/Rx0iSLPM_wg
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Saying "Destroy Hamas" is like saying "Destroy the US Democrats". They are the ruling faction in Gaza as a result of their 2006 legislative elections just as the Democrats here are firmly embedded as one of the only 2 viable political parties supported by about half the voters and whose elected and appointed members enjoy a great deal of power in government.
Hamas has governed the Israeli-occupied Gaza Strip since 2007. If we were to try to destroy them, it would require a political coup.
The people who elected them would not stand for it, assuming they actually support Hamas and didn't vote for them out of fear.
Before Hamas can be destroyed, the support of the people must be diverted elsewhere. Liberating people who do not want to be liberated will fail every time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
I didn't know that they had an "election" allowing Hamas to be in control. Thanks for the info.
I guess all Israel could do is harden their border. I mean how Masaad had no idea 10/6 was going to happen is another rabbit hole to go down.
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I didn't know that they had an "election" allowing Hamas to be in control. Thanks for the info.
I guess all Israel could do is harden their border. I mean how Masaad had no idea 10/6 was going to happen is another rabbit hole to go down.
Palestinians love Hamas. Hamas takes foreign aid money and runs all the services and aid in Gaza as if it was their own money. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that narrowly won Egypt's election before they were kicked out by the military. That's why Egypt doesn't want to take in Hamas refugees cause they'll take over the government again.
West Bank PA doesn't hold elections cause Hamas would win and takeover there.
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All hostages have been released by Hamas. Ceasefire in effect and more to come. It didn't happen as quick as Trump stated it would, but he's been more vocal about doing more than Brandon did. Even if Brandon was doing things behind the scenes during his presidency, it had no results.
Don't forget about me!
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2025/10/12/sen-brian-schatz-reacts-release-israeli-hostages-ceasefire-gaza/
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Don't forget about me!
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2025/10/12/sen-brian-schatz-reacts-release-israeli-hostages-ceasefire-gaza/
I don't see the part where he congratulates Trump. Mustve gotten cut off.
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Pray for Trump's safety. He just kicked a field goal with the deep state hornet nest.
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Don't forget about me!
https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/video/2025/10/12/sen-brian-schatz-reacts-release-israeli-hostages-ceasefire-gaza/
Typical senators from hawaii. Shatz talking shitz.
One talks shitz. The "other" one talks jibberish and embarrasses hawaii across the nation.
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I don't see the part where he congratulates Trump. Mustve gotten cut off.
Same with all those protesting for Palestine. I wonder if they will give Trump credit...
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Palestinians love Hamas. Hamas takes foreign aid money and runs all the services and aid in Gaza as if it was their own money. Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood that narrowly won Egypt's election before they were kicked out by the military. That's why Egypt doesn't want to take in Hamas refugees cause they'll take over the government again.
West Bank PA doesn't hold elections cause Hamas would win and takeover there.
that is not the reporting I am seeing, Hamas does not seem to be popular at all. Criticize them and they will come visit you and your family and not for tea and hummus. They may have been popular initially when they were elected but they sure as heck don't seem popular now.
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that is not the reporting I am seeing, Hamas does not seem to be popular at all. Criticize them and they will come visit you and your family and not for tea and hummus. They may have been popular initially when they were elected but they sure as heck don't seem popular now.
Same with Bibi. His cabinet is looking all sour over the cease fire but the Israeli people are dancing in the streets.
This war doesn’t serve the interests of the average citizen in any country including ours.
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Been seeing vids of Hamas killing/harming those who went against them since 10/6 and now that Israel left, there's no protection. Kind of like when the US left an area in A-stan and the T-ban harmed the villagers who helped the US.
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Been seeing vids of Hamas killing/harming those who went against them since 10/6 and now that Israel left, there's no protection. Kind of like when the US left an area in A-stan and the T-ban harmed the villagers who helped the US.
Some of it is also basically clans or gangs fighting for dominance. Hamas is in a weakened state and they aren't the only terrorist group in town.
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Some of it is also basically clans or gangs fighting for dominance. Hamas is in a weakened state and they aren't the only terrorist group in town.
"some", which means my statement still stands. Your post post provided no relevance to my post.
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Illegal crossings at the US-Mexico border are the lowest it's been since 1970!!
In Eagle Pass, TX under Biden there were 2,000 people illegally crossing in a day. Now, it's down to about 20.
I would recommend watching this whole video. The source? NBC and CBS! :thumbsup:
If you base your opinions on statistics and direct reports from the people doing the jobs, then this is definitely something to pay attention to.
Wow! NBC News can no longer DENY
Trump’s GREATNESS at the Border!
https://youtu.be/-V8EWe1vFzY
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I'm looking at the Palestine support groups and progressive pages. There's hardly anything posted about the ceasefire or peace deal. You'd think it'd be a big celebration for them.
I've seen some people complain saying it's Trump and Israels fault that Hamas is executing the Palestinian opposition.
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While the MSM is busy covering the great results caused by Trump's border protection efforts, the crazy people (I think they are more organized that ANTIFA) rode bikes, trikes, and scooters into Portland in every configuration from topless to buck naked as a Protest toward ICE.
Yes, these are the intelligent, moral and woke individuals we need to tell us how to run this country.
I'm pretty sure the full moon was last week, but I guess Portland is getting more full moons than the rest of us.
I'm wondering if these people understand that they aren't going to force ICE to turn over a new leaf and start handing out snow cones.
This should be cross-posting in the other Liberal insanity threads, but i think one viewing is more than sufficient. :shake:
https://youtube.com/shorts/QytfjxCZNzw
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I'm looking at the Palestine support groups and progressive pages. There's hardly anything posted about the ceasefire or peace deal. You'd think it'd be a big celebration for them.
I've seen some people complain saying it's Trump and Israels fault that Hamas is executing the Palestinian opposition.
Those who aren't brainwashed know who did a lot for the peace deal and who has been trying since day 1 of having authority to do so.
People who use logic can also give credit when it's due. Example: I'm not a fan of Gov Green, but give him credit when he rendered aid to that guy who needed it on the side of the road.
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"some", which means my statement still stands. Your post post provided no relevance to my post.
I wasn't disputing your statement. :thumbsup:
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I wasn't disputing your statement. :thumbsup:
I know you weren't disputing my statement.
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Trump will be using the IRS to track down the people funding ANTIFA. :thumbsup:
If it's true there is no such thing as ANTIFA as the Democrats keep claiming, then I guess nobody needs to be worried.
:geekdanc:
https://youtu.be/xV_i_d2CbJY
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Trump's administration continues to go after the Swamp critters who did everything they could to disrupt his presidency.
Comey was just the beginning.
John Bolton indicted for mishandling classified documents
Former Trump national security advisor John Bolton was indicted by a federal
grand jury on Thursday on charges of mishandling classified information.
Bolton, who served in the advisor role between April 2018 and September 2019,
is alleged to have knowingly transmitted sensitive national security documents
through his personal email account.
In the 26-page indictment, Bolton was charged with eight counts of transmission
of national defense information and 10 counts of retention of national defense
information. If convicted, Bolton could face up to 10 years in prison for each count
of unlawful retention of national defense information and 10 years for each count
of transmission of national defense information.
https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-john-bolton-indicted-for-mishandling-classified-documents
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Promise not kept/made.
Student loan forgiveness. Im against this, and someone here posted that i hail king trump and all his decisions.
Lets see liberals hate this decision.
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I read 1 article on his this isn't Trumps idea. but instead him losing in court, so now the payoff has to take place. AKA he originally stopped this from happening and the court said you cannot do that.
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I just had a thought. What if Trump is focusing on a third term? I really don't think that's the case, and Vance would be a great President, but .... what if?
The Liberal mobs rioting against Kings and dictators, attacking ICE for doing their job, and the tension between local and federal law enforcement could be the very cause of him having a third term. The insurrection act and other provisions in the law might allow him to suspend elections due to violence in and around polls, and so forth.
i bet they didn't think about that!
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I just had a thought. What if Trump is focusing on a third term? I really don't think that's the case, and Vance would be a great President, but .... what if?
The Liberal mobs rioting against Kings and dictators, attacking ICE for doing their job, and the tension between local and federal law enforcement could be the very cause of him having a third term. The insurrection act and other provisions in the law might allow him to suspend elections due to violence in and around polls, and so forth.
i bet they didn't think about that!
Would it be a 3rd term or an extended term?
I'm more concerned if the next POTUS is a GOP and not part of the good ole boys club. The left will again create laws or find reasons to arrest him. And I can guarantee you they won't do that for a DNC POTUS.
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Would it be a 3rd term or an extended term?
I'm more concerned if the next POTUS is a GOP and not part of the good ole boys club. The left will again create laws or find reasons to arrest him. And I can guarantee you they won't do that for a DNC POTUS.
Potato - po-tah-to. Same thing -- in office beyond the end date of his term.
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I just had a thought. What if Trump is focusing on a third term? I really don't think that's the case, and Vance would be a great President, but .... what if?
The Liberal mobs rioting against Kings and dictators, attacking ICE for doing their job, and the tension between local and federal law enforcement could be the very cause of him having a third term. The insurrection act and other provisions in the law might allow him to suspend elections due to violence in and around polls, and so forth.
i bet they didn't think about that!
The insurrection act wouldn't supersede the constitution though and it wouldn't really be a third term, more like an extended 2nd term. Maybe it could allow him to remain in power a little bit longer but not another 4 years. If he tries to do that then the people are justified in removing him by force.
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The insurrection act wouldn't supersede the constitution though and it wouldn't really be a third term, more like an extended 2nd term. Maybe it could allow him to remain in power a little bit longer but not another 4 years. If he tries to do that then the people are justified in removing him by force.
What if more than half the nation wants him to remain? Are they not "the people?"
And as Biden warned, the federal government has nukes!
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What if more than half the nation wants him to remain? Are they not "the people?"
And if more than half the nation wants firearms to be made illegal?
If more than half the nation wants him to remain they have to amend the constitution first but I think you already knew that. No point in you making a spurious argument.
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And if more than half the nation wants firearms to be made illegal?
If more than half the nation wants him to remain they have to amend the constitution first but I think you already knew that. No point in you making a spurious argument.
It takes more than a simple majority to pass a constitutional amendment and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Your question is stupid.
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It takes more than a simple majority to pass a constitutional amendment and repeal the 2nd Amendment. Your question is stupid.
It takes more than a simple majority of Americans to repeal the 22nd amendment. Your question was stupid and you didn't even realize my question to you was to point out the stupidity of your statement. I wasn't making the argument you turned red, I presented it to show how stupid yours was.