So are you saying Panama did not want to be part of China's Belt and Road Initiative and have Chinese companies run their canal ports because my facts say they did.

canada will never sanction us via oil
their oil is very dirty and they do not have the ability to refine it
guess who does?
we hold the "trump" card on oil...

How, exactly, has Panama been forced to make any decisions and not allowed to determine "the actual running of their canal ports?"

Seems your arguments are based on facts not in evidence.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts.

My own facts?  Is that the best rebuttal that you can offer?

Panama willingly joined China's Belt and Road Initiative and willingly subcontracted management of their canal ports to Chinese companies.  These facts are not in dispute and are the same facts that I subscribe.

What facts or personal opinions are you using?

When the leader of the USA says they are considering military force, that is taken seriously by a small country like them. They know they could never withstand the US military, there is no need for a threat to be made, merely the implication of an invasion is enough.

The fact that fear mongers like yourself kept warning Trump would use military force to invade Panama, yet that didn't even come close to happening.

The smart man would deduce that the current agreement did not involve force, but rather a give-and-take negotiation.

So, what's your point?  Of course, military force was not used because the Panamanian government caved in to the demands of the US empire.   


What kind of deal did Panama receive?  You still allude to a deal being made, but you have no details to share what Panama got in return to capitulating to the demands of the US empire.   

From the facts that you clearly dodge, Panama forgoes Chinese trade opportunities from the Belt and Road Initiative and less government revenue now forced to allow US imperial naval ships access through the canal without paying a fee like everybody else.

Fact:  The Panama Canal Repurchase Act, was introduced by Rep. Dusty Johnson, R-S.D., a member of the Select Committee on China and the House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee.

Fact:  The Bill aims to allow the United States to repurchase the Panama Canal after Trump raised concerns that the critical waterway is under Chinese control.

Fact:  José Raúl Mulino, Panama's president, said his nation's sovereignty over the 51-mile waterway, which connects the Pacific Ocean and the Caribbean Sea, will remain unchanged. But he said he would not renew a 2017 memorandum of understanding to join China’s Belt and Road global development initiative and that Panama would instead look to work more closely with the U.S.

i'm not sure why this is such a problem in your mind unless you're just pissed China is no longer in a position to use the canal against the US.

I still don't understand what point you are trying to make.

So what if Congress drafts a bill to repurchase the Panama Canal?  What does this prove?


So, the President of Panama just decided to end its economic agreement with China that would have resulted in positive economic benefits for its people in favor of working closely with the US empire that you have yet to share what benefits that brings to the Panamanians.


I am just not a fan of US Imperialism and its bullying ways to other sovereign nations.

Also, it is purely the conjecture of anti-China US imperialists and neocons to even suggest that China would use the canal against any nation.

Facts do not have to have a "point."   But in this case, it seems there is no "force" being used to get Panama to listen to our proposals.  Only an effort to potentially purchase the canal.  That solves any national security issues for the US and might be a huge economic boost for Panama.

You're not a fan of the US at all.  Any narrative you can latch onto that's anti-US brings you to the forum to spread that anti-US sentiment.

What a way to apologize for US imperialism!

Tell me, what would have been the penalty if Panama did not want to listen and assent to the demands made by the US empire regarding their own canal?

Once more, you try to suggest that Panama would benefit financially from selling their canal to the US empire when any sane leader would be a fool to sell such a lucrative cash cow such as the Panama Canal to any nation unless threatened to do so.


Stop making up stories.

I am a great admirer of the former American Republic and staunch opponent to neocons and any forms of imperialism.  Aren't you the same...

Still leaving out that he was asked.  And I'll re-type, should he just stare at the reporter and not reply?

He could say any number of things that wouldn't come across as threatening

"Military force is not being considered an option at this time"
"The current situation doesn't justify the use of military but we will re-evaluate if things change"
"I won't answer that because I don't want to show my whole hand"

Politicians give non-answers all the time so simply side stepping the question wouldn't be out of the norm anyway.

And all of that doesn't mean "no, I wont ever use military force". Thanks for trying to move goal post.

I'm not a fan of flied lice either. We have enough China stuff here in Hawaii. Our local leaders already laid out the road for China for free. Of course they are not under ANY influence what so ever...

I don't care that you say you admired the America you believe once existed.  The flip side to that is that you do not like the US today.  Qualifying your anti-US bias doesn't make it any less obvious.

You are arguing the US is evil using something that did not happen as your evidence.  What would be the penalty?  No way to know, because Panama decided to entertain our position.