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General Topics => General Discussion => Topic started by: SurFKooK on July 10, 2013, 07:43:18 AM
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Like everyone was telling me ill probably get bored just shooting a AR, they were right lol.. I guess my next toy im looking to get is a single bolt .308. Off the bat my 1st choice is a Remington 700 series, like some of us were on a budget & ill be slowly upgrading it. I was looking at a Varmint or a SPS model, for sure I wont be doing any hunting just strictly target. All this is new to me, barrel length, heavy or lighter barrel, what do you guys suggest for a newb like me..
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Rem 700 xcr heavy 24" then work it up
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Like everyone was telling me ill probably get bored just shooting a AR, they were right lol.. I guess my next toy im looking to get is a single bolt .308. Off the bat my 1st choice is a Remington 700 series, like some of us were on a budget & ill be slowly upgrading it. I was looking at a Varmint or a SPS model, for sure I wont be doing any hunting just strictly target. All this is new to me, barrel length, heavy or lighter barrel, what do you guys suggest for a newb like me..
What kind of accuracy are you looking for? Realistically you could build a 1 moa AR upper for less than it costs for you to buy the 700. I don't think the 700 out of the box will be much better than 1 moa. It's the $$$ that gets you from 1 moa to 1/2 to 1/4 moa.
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A .308 AR is going to cost more than a Rem 700. Since it'll only be used for the range, I'd get a heavy barreled rifle like an SPS Tactical. Then you can shoot it and see how you like it. Stick some nice glass on top. If you want to change from there, there are tons of options. Swap the stock, bed the action, float the barrel, change the barrel, etc...
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The Remington 700 series are good rifles.
For out of the box accuracy though, it is hard to beat the Savage.
I picked up the Model 10 Precision Carbine in .223 and .308, and they are stupid accurate right out of the box.
They are also more user friendly if you like to tinker.
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The Remington 700 series are good rifles.
For out of the box accuracy though, it is hard to beat the Savage.
I picked up the Model 10 Precision Carbine in .223 and .308, and they are stupid accurate right out of the box.
They are also more user friendly if you like to tinker.
How's the stock on the Model 10, did you end up changing it also?
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A .308 AR is going to cost more than a Rem 700. Since it'll only be used for the range, I'd get a heavy barreled rifle like an SPS Tactical. Then you can shoot it and see how you like it. Stick some nice glass on top. If you want to change from there, there are tons of options. Swap the stock, bed the action, float the barrel, change the barrel, etc...
I noticed it does cost more for a .308 AR, when I asked my friend how much he spent I told him I'll just stick to a single bolt lol.. I got to try out his .308 AR & it was a awesome feeling ;D That's what I hear about Remington's, a lot of options to upgrade :)
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I was the same, wanted to try something different. So I purchased a stock Remington 700 in .308 and changed out the stock to a B&C A5, added a DBM (detachable box magazine) and one of these: http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/boltlift.php (http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/boltlift.php)
Didn't brake the bank and I put it all together. It was all drop in components and was very easy. There is a lot of options to upgrade, really depends on how deep your wallet is.
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How's the stock on the Model 10, did you end up changing it also?
The accu-stock comes with these rifles. The are not the greatest, but not the worst either.
I have two Manners stocks and after market DBMs, along with a couple bolt handle replacements, but have not changed them out yet.
You can just buy the barreled action if you plan on changing out the stock, or just the action itself.
It is a lot easier to change out the barrels by yourself with the Savage. Even the bolt handles, and bolt faces.
If I had known better, I would have gone with just the barreled action. Still might. ;D
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>:D
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Why not get a Mosin?
Cheap Gun.
Cheap Ammo.
:thumbsup:
I don't care for Mosins ( and I have 2)
They just don't do it for me.
I guess they don't do anything better than anything else I got. Not sure how to explain it but I just don't "enjoy" shooting em.
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>:D
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I guess the only reason I like them is because I can buy em cheap and stack em deep; also not worried about beating them to hell, because I will always have extras.
Other thing is that ammo seems to be cheaper than .308 (Don't know, as I don't look at .308 prices); if they can beat $.40 a cartridge, I may need to get me a Rem 700 :thumbsup:
To me cheap ammo is he only reason to buy a Mosin.
I'd rather buy an AK. :thumbsup: (I know, I know, wrong thread)
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>:D
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No worries running up da board KingKeoni & Q lol.. I like hearing what u all have to say, the more info the better. I have a way lot to learn on these addicting toys
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Like everyone was telling me ill probably get bored just shooting a AR, they were right lol.. I guess my next toy im looking to get is a single bolt .308. Off the bat my 1st choice is a Remington 700 series, like some of us were on a budget & ill be slowly upgrading it. I was looking at a Varmint or a SPS model, for sure I wont be doing any hunting just strictly target. All this is new to me, barrel length, heavy or lighter barrel, what do you guys suggest for a newb like me..
What are you trying to achieve?
I never get bored shooting my 762x39 AR. More punch. Better Accuracy.
Get a Remington to start with.
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It really depends on what you want to achieve in your build . I have a rem700 xcr lrt (long range tactical) built from the ground up . This little monster makes a hole in one at 100 and holds constant shots out to 1500 . Yet I have a Sr25 which gives me a 1/2" at a 100 and stays true up to 11-1200 . As for me I like to send things out and make every shot count . The Remington is on an ax acis chassis so it's super stable and a N/F 5.5-22x56. It wasn't cheap building it I won't lie but it does what I want it to do .
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I just bought one of these on gunbroker for $629, if Kokohead is your longest range 16" is all you really need. I was originally looking at 300 blackout but decided I can just as easily load subsonics with all the .308 stuff I already own, no need to retool for another caliber.
(http://www.copesdistributing.com/images/85538.jpg)
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What kind of accuracy are you looking for? Realistically you could build a 1 moa AR upper for less than it costs for you to buy the 700. I don't think the 700 out of the box will be much better than 1 moa. It's the $$$ that gets you from 1 moa to 1/2 to 1/4 moa.
I totally agree with you on the $$$ part lol..
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What are you trying to achieve?
I never get bored shooting my 762x39 AR. More punch. Better Accuracy.
Get a Remington to start with.
Yes I noticed the couple times I seen you at the range your shooting 7.62x39 ;D
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I was the same, wanted to try something different. So I purchased a stock Remington 700 in .308 and changed out the stock to a B&C A5, added a DBM (detachable box magazine) and one of these: http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/boltlift.php (http://www.kineticresearchgroup.com/products/boltlift.php)
Didn't brake the bank and I put it all together. It was all drop in components and was very easy. There is a lot of options to upgrade, really depends on how deep your wallet is.
Thanks for the site on the knob, looks kinda kool
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What are you trying to achieve?
I never get bored shooting my 762x39 AR. More punch. Better Accuracy.
Get a Remington to start with.
Just a question not trying to start anything , but do you think that an AR platform rifle shoots more accurate than a bolt rifle with the same caliber ?
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Just a question not trying to start anything , but do you think that an AR platform rifle shoots more accurate than a bolt rifle with the same caliber ?
I found this response on another board, which pretty much covers how I was thinking...
Each type has it's own place in the outdoors - either hunting or target shooting. People should own one of each. You don't just have one knife in your kitchen, do you?
Bolt action - inexpensive, few moving parts, no parts to lose when cleaning, generally accurate, and tolerant of all forms of ammo from light target loads to heavy big game loads. Downside - can be slow to get a second shot off (practice needed), only hold 4 or 5 rounds, not a good choice for home or self defense.
Semi-Auto - usually more expensive with more moving parts, lots of parts to clean and potentially lose, generally not as accurate as a bolt rifle (although many $$$ models are just as accurate) and can be finicky about ammo. Upside - they get a quick 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7........20......30.....50 rounds off. Can do 'double duty' as both a hunting rifle and a home or personal defense weapon.
Just as you would not buy a big 4x4 pickup to commute in New York City traffic - or a Porsche to work on the farm - what you choose all depends on your application - where you live, what you are hunting, how often you hunt, and what you do with the rifle when not hunting.
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Why not get a Mosin?
Cheap Gun.
Cheap Ammo.
:thumbsup:
I agree, the way to go if one is thinking along the line of a .308, the Mosin is a much more interesting rifle too. Come to think of it, can one get a .308 round that matches the punch power of a legal penetrator surplus 7.62X54r? The .308 can pack more powder and surpass if a custom load - obviously, but can it's market ammo pass through 3/4" mild grade steel like the 7.62x54r surplus penetrator round at such a low price... Something to ponder. The 440 tin of steel shot penetrators are dirt cheap. I love my silver tips ;)
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I heard great reviews
http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=7&f=93&t=994467&page=1 (http://www.ar15.com/mobile/topic.html?b=7&f=93&t=994467&page=1)
I was considering getting one.
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Like everyone was telling me ill probably get bored just shooting a AR, they were right lol.. I guess my next toy im looking to get is a single bolt .308. Off the bat my 1st choice is a Remington 700 series, like some of us were on a budget & ill be slowly upgrading it. I was looking at a Varmint or a SPS model, for sure I wont be doing any hunting just strictly target. All this is new to me, barrel length, heavy or lighter barrel, what do you guys suggest for a newb like me..
The overall quality of Remington's has declined since Cerberus bought them. And it's especially noticeable in budget models like the SPS. I know you're only going to be shooting paper but I believe you'd be better off in the long run saving up for a better model in the series or following gsmgc's suggestion to get a Savage.
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Remington 700 is a great start ...
For a future custom build -
Send it to Wayne Takeshita for awesome work....
Or perhaps a 308 Savage Striker???
- hard to find though...
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You would be better off with savage unless you want to spend $$$. They make outstanding rifles and other manufacturers are starting to copy them. Notice that Remington, Ruger, Mossberg and others are now making rifles with the same features as the savages i.e. accutrigger and barrel nut. In my opinion, by the time you get a rem 700 to outshoot a savage, there won't be much remington left. The major downside of savage is aftermarket. Everyone makes everything for remington 700. You can still get everything you need and being able to swap barrels at home is really nice.
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Remington 700 is a great start ...
For a future custom build -
Send it to Wayne Takeshita for awesome work....
Or perhaps a 308 Savage Striker???
- hard to find though...
Thanks for da info Dogadobo, ill keep Wayne in mind if I do go fully custom
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You would be better off with savage unless you want to spend $$$. They make outstanding rifles and other manufacturers are starting to copy them. Notice that Remington, Ruger, Mossberg and others are now making rifles with the same features as the savages i.e. accutrigger and barrel nut. In my opinion, by the time you get a rem 700 to outshoot a savage, there won't be much remington left. The major downside of savage is aftermarket. Everyone makes everything for remington 700. You can still get everything you need and being able to swap barrels at home is really nice.
Ill probly end up buying both brands anyway, mite try out the Remington 1st. In this hobby we all gonna end up spending a lot of $$$ anyway lol.. Doesn't hurt to have more guns also, the more the better right ;D
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does anyone have any real life experience with a Remington 700 5r?
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Remmy after Wayne worked it...
Awesome rifle - work of art...
Now saving mula for a Nightforce scope
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rem 700 5r is a tack driver!!! little heavier than other 308's cause of the stainless barrel but easy to clean 5r rifling... bore snake and 2 passes with rod and wipes clean....
Wayne does some bad ass work.... once he is finished the bolt is like butter.... He also blended the brake to the barrel so it looks seamless... and had a badger bolt knob installed....
(http://img.tapatalk.com/d/13/07/16/u4u8y6y8.jpg)
tikka t3, savage and 700p 700LTR are nice rifles too... can't go wrong with any of these...
beware everything adds up and gets costly.... good luck, you are on the right track
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http://youtu.be/fhDHzXbxQdg
http://youtu.be/eZVahCZdGM0
http://youtu.be/3flAei7oLcg
not me but nice video on YouTube...
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So many people with .308s, not much shooting F-class. 3, 5, 600 yards. Not that hard right? Take those breaks off, and shoot some paper at a match. 1 MOA 10 ring and 1/2 MOA X. Shooting those nice rifles at 100 yards and at huge steel plates at kokohead is... well.. its good practice. :)
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This was the first time taking shots out to 1550 YARDS with my rem700 xcr lrt. Done by Wayne and Eric at ogc . Don't mind my dad the commentator
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Sorry, remington 700 PSS is a great rifle. Get the aluminum bedded stock. The barrel is already freefloat and the bedding block makes for asolid foundation. Savage is another solid choice. I'd go, again for the one with the aluminum bedded stock. I had a real tackdriver savage I built. Accutrigger is ok but after a while it ended up sucking. Go for the sharpshooter supply trigger. 100x better. Dont buy it from them tho. Their customer service sucks azz! Get it from Brownell's. The Bolt on savage's are really sloppy as well. Take that into consideation.
If you are really gonna get serious. Might be. A good idea just to go full custom in the first place. Building up a remmy would cost just as much or maybe a little more than going in on a full build in the first place...
Oh so many options. Lol. ;)
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Yup too many options not enough funds .
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Like you guys said, so many options but not enough funds lol.. I still gotta save some $$$ also to go watch the 49ERS play their final season @ Candlestick Park ;D
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So many people with .308s, not much shooting F-class. 3, 5, 600 yards. Not that hard right? Take those breaks off, and shoot some paper at a match. 1 MOA 10 ring and 1/2 MOA X. Shooting those nice rifles at 100 yards and at huge steel plates at kokohead is... well.. its good practice. :)
Off topic but...
Besides entering into a match, is there a range that one can practice shooting those ranges prior to a match? I will speak for myself here. As much as I would like to think I have a decent shot, I have never been able to go to a range and actually shoot paper targets out to those ranges and would prefer not to make a ass out of myself by entering a match just to validate my hunch that I need more practice. Longest distance I can shoot at Kokohead is at approx. 450 yards and the smallest target is supposedly 4x4"... Don't get me wrong it's fun, but shooting those plates while prone or benched is borderline too easy. It's kinda hard to gauge where you stand when this is the only available outlet to shoot at (for some).
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Off topic but...
Besides entering into a match, is there a range that one can practice shooting those ranges prior to a match? I will speak for myself here. As much as I would like to think I have a decent shot, I have never been able to go to a range and actually shoot paper targets out to those ranges and would prefer not to make a ass out of myself by entering a match just to validate my hunch that I need more practice. Longest distance I can shoot at Kokohead is at approx. 450 yards and the smallest target is supposedly 4x4"... Don't get me wrong it's fun, but shooting those plates while prone or benched is borderline too easy. It's kinda hard to gauge where you stand when this is the only available outlet to shoot at (for some).
There is no place i am aware of on Oahu, that the public can get to, for longer distance practice. Kokohead can give you an idea of your numbers. Scaled down practice @ 100yards with a .22lr will give an idea of what it will be like shooting a .308 @ 500, wind wise. Otherwise, the only way is to learn up on drop and drift, have your numbers ready, then confirm them at the match, or a practice match.
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does anyone have any real life experience with a Remington 700 5r?
I had one, it was a 1/2" gun out of the box. Only thing I had done to it was barrel threading.
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is there such a thing as 400 500 or 600 yards targets scaled down for 100 yard shooting? I've been printing targets that are 2"x2" and shooting that but doesn't take into account bullet drop at those distances....
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So many people with .308s, not much shooting F-class. 3, 5, 600 yards. Not that hard right? Take those breaks off, and shoot some paper at a match. 1 MOA 10 ring and 1/2 MOA X. Shooting those nice rifles at 100 yards and at huge steel plates at kokohead is... well.. its good practice. :)
How about we save some tree's by not shooting paper and have a challenge on something more fun like goats on the run at 600yards ? Or more . Lol j/j
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is there such a thing as 400 500 or 600 yards targets scaled down for 100 yard shooting? I've been printing targets that are 2"x2" and shooting that but doesn't take into account bullet drop at those distances....
You could try the hi power 100yd targets, they are reduced up to 600 yds.
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is there such a thing as 400 500 or 600 yards targets scaled down for 100 yard shooting? I've been printing targets that are 2x2" and shooting that but doesn't take into account bullet drop at those distances....
I have reduced F-class targets for 100 yards for .22 practice. What matters is the score rings are 1/2 MOA X, 1 MOA 10, etcetera. Reduced high power targets rings are too large for scopes, they are intended for irons. It'll be too easy.
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How about we save some tree's by not shooting paper and have a challenge on something more fun like goats on the run at 600yards ? Or more . Lol j/j
Sounds like fun! Lol. Would be hard with my target rifle tho. I can just imagine myself hauling a 30" barrel around the bush. Hahah
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Sounds like fun! Lol. Would be hard with my target rifle tho. I can just imagine myself hauling a 30" barrel around the bush. Hahah
Lol I know what you mean hauling any rifle is rough . Get the gun slinger 2 pack it's awesome .
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Finally, end up buying a 700 SPS today after my afternoon surf session ;D
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So many people with .308s, not much shooting F-class. 3, 5, 600 yards. Not that hard right? Take those breaks off, and shoot some paper at a match. 1 MOA 10 ring and 1/2 MOA X. Shooting those nice rifles at 100 yards and at huge steel plates at kokohead is... well.. its good practice. :)
how come they don't allow muzzle brakes? do they have competitions which allow muzzle brakes?
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how come they don't allow muzzle brakes? do they have competitions which allow muzzle brakes?
It is in the rules for NRA F-class competition, CMP rules, and...
Also,
We shoot from the prone position and in the grass and dirt. So, when you fire with the muzzle break on, the grass and dirt is kicked up on the other shooters. Also, the muzzle blast is distracting, irritating, and really not needed for a .308 Winchester cartridge. They sometimes allow breaks, usually during practices matches/sight in days, but you would need to contact the match coordinator in advance to make accommodations. He'll probably put you on the end of the firing line. But your neighbor may or may not appreciate it. lol. just common courtesy.