SECTION 3. This Act does not affect rights and duties that
matured, penalties that were incurred, and proceedings that were
begun before its effective date.

Seems like THIS is a grandfather clause.

You mean that our roads and bridges are socialist?

Obama's comment, in the whole, is correct. Without some structure provided by the various levels of government there would be little to build a significant business on.

The left and right don't disagree on this principle. They disagree on how it should manifest and to what degree. In the grand scale between Anarchy and Totalitarianism (or whatever you want to put at that end of the scale) they don't really disagree all that much, either.

Romney has made nearly identical comments, as well. Somehow no one screamed "Socialist! Big Government Pig!" at him when he made them.

As I said, truth and politics are nearly incompatible these days. Hype is much more common.

Obamas comment is NOT correct, in any way.
The "some structure provided by the various levels of government" was paid for by the hard working taxpayer.'
'We the people' paid for the infrastructure, that the government (who works for us) built.

"Little to build a significant business on"?
Really??
We don't need the incompetent building of roads (driven into Campbell Ind Park in the last two years?)
We don't need the rail (towers in Ewa that "can be moved"??)

They are incompetently pissing our taxpayer money away.
The  "little to build a business on" is bullshit.
If they cant do better than that, give us dirt roads & we'll all drive SUV's

The left and right DO disagree on this principle.
For the left is is "The government is here to help you & the people need to be led"
For the right it is " The government screws up everything it touches & they have forgotten they work for 'We the People'.

Please factually reiterate Romney's "nearly identical comments"
I'd like to hear them.

You stated truth and politics are nearly incompatible these days.
I'd say that is exemplified by the Democrat party.
Joe BIden recently stated that Repubilcans want to see Blacks in chains again.
What horseshit. How insulting to intelligence. Who believes his BS? He is the VP, for Christ's sake.
They are again resulting to racial division.
Wasn't he supposed to be the post-racial president?

I saw it last week at Dole Cannery.
Caught the 10pm show during the week, cause I was out surfing after work.

I got there for the last bit of the earlier show & there were about 40-50 people there.
The 10PM show had less, but it was Wed night...

Not bad attendance on a week night, for a state enamored with an incompetent 'leader'

Go see 2016 the movie.
I saw it last night.
It will convince you his motives to change America are based upon FALSE IDEALS.

His whole book "Dreams from my Father" is bullshit.
He has melodramatically "in his mind" replaced (in denial) the realization that his father was not present & worthless with the falsehood of his father being a socialist visionary.
It's complete horse shit…
The reality of it is that he was surrounded by socialists during his life.

This isn't a black man with a grudge against white people.
He is on a mission to make reparations to the entire world, for the successes of capitalism in the US.
He fails to support Israel, & fails to do anything about Iran.

He does not like the US, or the ideals of which it was founded.

I still cannot accept that Americans voted this complete failure into office…
We are smarter than that, this time ??

How about we add SBR to our Hawaii legislative to-do list ??

Any cases of .45?

 I have a 93 clone on consignment and also thinking about selling my USP Match in 45 cap [/quote]

Send me some info on the match.
Would like one that's not mint.

Another HK whore?
Toku58 just picked up a clean SR9T.

The Big Island long gun permits are one year & the handgun permits are the same.
The registrations are good for the state.

I had three UZI receivers & built them out.
The registrations said receiver only.
I went back to re-register & they added barrel length.
I dont know if it would matter, if you just kept the receiver only registration.

Quote from: 2aHawaii on January 26, 2010, 09:26:43 AM

Be sure to let us know of updates on the confiscation issue, or all the issues we should pay attention to for this session. I will gladly support them.

Without some active intervention, I can tell you what will happen right now...the bill will die and, god forbid, if something akin to Katrina strikes us, there will be firearms seizures.

Here's a suggestion for those who think they'd like to participate in something...have someone organize a visit to Hanohano's office and ask to have her remove the poison pill and pass the bill out of committee "as is."  Show up with all the folks you can muster and show her what we, as a community, can muster...again, unless "we" build up some political capital (a "show of force" in her office would garner a lot of this "political capital") any position "we" take will be dismissed or disregarded because the politicos won't see us as a threat or a force to reconed with...

A little back ground on the poison pill - the bill had a provision added to it to include Rh testing (blood typing) which, is not permitted as it had nothing to do with the title of the bill...this will effectively kill the bill. The "poison pill" was added last year as the bill passed between committees.

I'm more interested in supporting this confiscation bill than CC.
Some of us are outer island, so the face to face is difficult.