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Puna,
It is all pretty simple,  how many people are in the state of Hawaii?  not many. How many of us are NRA members?
The NRA has over 5 million members, we don't even have 1.5 million full-time residents of this state.
Most of America don't give a Eff about the few little guys being beat up by  the state and counties of Hawaii,
we "stupidly stay in". 
If you want gun rights, go to Idaho, Alaska, Texas, et al.  People here don't seem to want to do
civil disobedience for their rights so why should they,  the NRA, or GOA waste their time?
We can't even elect one Republican to the state Senate.
Most Oahu guys have their heads so far up HPD behinds they can't even figure out how
or want to defeat them.   What is a right if you have to ask a cop if you can practice it?
Read up on 4GW.   We are at war and we are losing.  Socialist Democrats are winning.

I don't disagree with much of what you've written, however I have to point out something about gun owners. While we may only have 1.5 million people in Hawaii and the NRA has nearly 6 million members now, the very sad fact is that there are over 100 million gun owners in the U.S.  So, why are there barely 6 million members in the NRA? Six measly percent! Gun owners need to put their money where their mouth is! How many gun owners in Hawaii are NRA members, or even HRA members? Whether we like it or not, the NRA is the largest gun advocacy group in the U.S.  I know there are lots of others like GOA and Second Amendment Foundation, etc. which are probably offshoots because they feel NRA isn't doing a good job, or they're more focused on local issues where they're located. Whatever the reason, we should have at least 50 million NRA members nationwide IF gun owners really cared about their gun rights. Hell, by percentage, the ARRL (which is a ham radio organization) has more members than the NRA. I guess ham radio operators are more concerned about protecting their frequency spectrum than gun owners are about their Constitutional rights to gun ownership. Something to think about. Do we gun owners in Hawaii have a current active membership in the NRA and HRA?
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: June 26, 2017, 02:35:20 PM »
SCOTUS has spoken. They refused to hear the Peruta case.

Apparently, only Justice Thomas (with Gorsuch supporting) dissented on that decision to not hear the case. I guess the only way SCOTUS will settle it once and for all is if the federal reciprocity bill passes and is singed into law by President Trump, then the anti-gun groups will appeal to SCOTUS. Supposedly, the fact that only Thomas & Gorsuch were "in" on the dissent doesn't necessarily mean 2A would lose such an appeal so there's some hope yet. Of course, Congress would have to get health care and taxes out of the way before they'd even begin to look at the reciprocity bills.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: June 25, 2017, 11:25:52 PM »
They do provide a link to the SCOTUS Peruta page (also provided elsewhere in this forum in the Peruta thread) where you can update yourself on what's happened in the past 10 weeks: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5214a2.htm

I guess they now think that gun owners have a disease or we are diseased by firearms...  used to wonder what the hell CDC has to do with guns, but I guess liberalism permeates all organizations whether governmental or NGOs...
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: June 22, 2017, 07:44:02 AM »
But we all know that ain't gonna happen, so things will continue as they are now...

OK, I get the "or" part; I was just thinking that libs would say if you fail in either one, that would disqualify you.  But, yes, we live in a state that's politically horrible because it's always gone Democrat.  Most of the problem seems to be the "immigrants" (different immigrant problem than the mainland) who are here legally and can vote, but they, for some reason, always votes for the "D".  They care nothing of the candidate or what the candidate stands for or doesn't stand for; they just keep voting by party.  Isn't it any wonder why that even when a candidate is so horrible that the entire country voted for that President, only Hawaii was for the Democrat (Reagan apparently won 49 of 50 states).  Even Alaska voted Republican and both Hawaii & Alaska was admitted in the same year into the Union.  I guess if we want to be armed outside the home, we may have to just move (I know so many people who were born & raised here that have all moved to Vegas; not that I would ever move there, but there's a lot of other "gun friendly" states with decent weather.) :thumbsup:

BTW, here's a URL to get the current status of the Peruta appeal to SCOTUS:  http://michellawyers.com/guncasetracker/perutavsandiego/
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: June 13, 2017, 11:10:35 PM »
Read the bill.
The language of the bill was changed in December (prior to submission) and submitted in January to allow for a person with a non-resident permit to carry in their state of residence as long as that state has a process/law for issuing CCW licenses/permits (i.e. CCW is not banned). It does not require that anyone in the state actually has obtained a license/permit, so Hawaii would be included, along with all the other "may issue"/de facto "no issue" states and counties.

Here's the part of the bill submitted in January that I have a problem with:

“§ 926D. Reciprocity for the carrying of certain concealed firearms

“(a) Notwithstanding any provision of the law of any State or political subdivision thereof (except as provided in subsection (b)) and subject only to the requirements of this section, a person who is not prohibited by Federal law from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm, who is carrying a valid identification document containing a photograph of the person, and who is carrying a valid license or permit which is issued pursuant to the law of a State and which permits the person to carry a concealed firearm or is entitled to carry a concealed firearm in the State in which the person resides, may possess or carry a concealed handgun (other than a machinegun or destructive device) that has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce, in any State that—

“(1) has a statute under which residents of the State may apply for a license or permit to carry a concealed firearm; or

“(2) does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms by residents of the State for lawful purposes.

That "in the State in which the person resides" seems to indicate that your permit has to be issued by your state of residence.  A lot of people use the "driver license" example where your license is good in all states, but think about it; I'm not aware of us being able to obtain a "non-resident driver's license".  They're all issued by your state of residence, so if they're applying the same "standard", wouldn't that suggest the carry permit has to be issued by your home state? 

As for people saying that Hawaii could just change their law to "no issue", I don't think that's an issue because it would be unconstitutional.  SCOTUS already ruled that "no issue" is unconstitutional in the MacDonald case against Chicago.  Anyway, I'm no lawyer so I'll just be happy if HR38 really includes non-resident permits and passes both houses and becomes law so that those of us who have non-resident photo-ID concealed-carry permits will be able to carry here in Hawaii.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: May 29, 2017, 07:13:31 PM »
When I asked the NRA about any legislation regarding federal reciprocity which includes non-resident permits, I was told that H.R.38 allows non-resident permits.  That is FALSE.  I got hold of the text of the bill and it clearly states that a "non-resident" (ie. tourist visiting another state) who possesses a concealed carry permit issued by his home state is allowed to carry in all states that have a carry statute.  That would eliminate all permit holders who have non-resident permits.  I've written to Congressman Hudson (drafter of the bill) to ask that an amendment be put in that allows non-resident permit holders to have the same standing as those who have resident permits issued by their home state.  As I've stated many times before (not just here) I have a Utah non-resident permit and the requirements for me to obtain it is the same criteria as a Utah resident.  Classroom and range time are identical, so it would be "wrong" for the Utah permit holder to be able to visit Hawaii and carry his weapon but I wouldn't be able to here merely because of the status of the permit, not the training or proficiency requirements of the permit holder.  Anyway, once Congress gets done with "healthcare & taxes", hopefully they'll have time to spend on this bill and "fix it" so we here would be able to legally carry here once the amended bill clears Congress and is signed by President Trump.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: April 10, 2017, 05:42:26 PM »
BTW, I just heard on Fox News that 3 cases are coming before the Court in the coming month, besides the Trinity Lutheran Church issue; they stated that the Peruta vs. San Diego case has been appealed to SCOTUS so that is one they may deal with in the coming months.  If they overturn the 9th Circuit's decision, HI will become a "shall issue" state unless HI wants to appeal the SCOTUS ruling (highly unlikely as it will cost them a lot of money and net the same result).
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: April 10, 2017, 05:01:59 PM »
For those not familiar with the situation in Puna re "homeowner fire insurance"... the reason many rural Puna subdivisions now have their own "volunteer fire departments" is because prior to establishing such departments virtually no homeowners could get fire insurance because nearly all those rural homes were "too far" from a fire department station. These volunteer departments meet the insurance company requirements of "near enough" firefighting equipment so they will now issue fire insurance to those within the requisite distance of the "station". The fact that the volunteers need to get a call, get from their homes or location wherever they are when they get the call to the station, suit up, then get the truck to the fire itself, by which time the home will be fully engulfed or beyond... it's the distance that matters to the insurers, not the response time or quality of equipment and/or firefighting training. Gotta love the insurers. They go by the "numbers", even if they pick the wrong numbers to analyze, and thus miss the forest for the trees.

Well we all know that's how corporations (and government for that matter) work.  I guess that just proves you can't teach "smart" to "stupids".  Just like the left-wing Democrats in our Legislature; absolutely no common sense.  For some reason, they think that allowing concealed carry in Hawaii would result in "wild west shootouts" and "blood in the streets", etc.  They just don't understand that "law-abiding gun owners" do not behave irrationally and we obey the law.  We know how great and serious a responsibility it is to be armed in public (as I've carried in a couple of states on the mainland and NEVER got in a situation that required me to draw my weapon) so we don't do "wild west shootouts" and the like.  But, like I said, you can't teach that to "stupids".
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: April 10, 2017, 04:57:01 PM »
Three guys charging, possibly in poorly lit conditions, sure woulda been nice if the Hawaii Dems had at least given Gabbard's handgun magazine limit change from 10 to 17 bill a hearing. I'm just sayin'... why do the cops "need" "high capacity magazines" and we're criminals if we have one?  :wtf:

In the meantime, wonder if we'll ever hear anything about the plans for Baker, or if there is some strategy in play regarding announcing seeking a new trial?

Typical Democrats; just like Pelosi & company are against guns yet it's funny their own security has guns. What hypocrites!  I don't know about a new trial for Baker; the best would be to just appeal to SCOTUS though I'm not sure how much money that's going to take.  With Gorsuch being confirmed, I'm certain they would overturn the 9th Circuit's decision (like they've done on so many times with the 9th).
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: April 09, 2017, 06:35:13 PM »
Ok, let's say 3 no good 20 something year olds were stealing stuff from my storage shed which is 75 ft from my house and I went to take video of them for LE.  They see me and threaten to kick my ass.  Do I have to run into my house and have them break in before I can shoot them?  Some areas of my property is more than a hundred yards from my house and although I am still climbing trees for a commercial tree company part time, at age 67, I may not be able to outrun  a 20 year old.  This is a very real scenario in Puna.  Couple of houses on my road got broken into last month. 

I know what I would do.  If there was sufficient distance I would yell, "Stop or I will shoot."  If they are too close I would just shoot.

As I understand the law, you can carry anywhere on your property, no matter how large it is.  So, if you're shooting video of their faces and their actions and then they threaten to beat you up, you can then draw/show your weapon and tell them you're armed and will not hesitate to shoot so they need to stop and drop to the ground so you can call the cops.  If they run towards you and those guys are all physically larger than you (disparity of force due to size and number of assailants) you now have reason to fear for your life.  Warning them to stop (and them knowing you are armed) and if they continue towards you, they're now displaying opportunity to cause you harm; before they get within 10 yards of you, you should be able to shoot them to stop their attack.  Ordinarily, I would think the other 2 would stop immediately after hearing the shot go off; unless they're on drugs or something. If they keep advancing, keep shooting to stop them, not to kill, but just to stop them.  Then, you've fulfilled your obligation and can call 911 for immediate help (how long that would be in Puna is yet another story.)
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: April 09, 2017, 02:57:59 PM »
Hawaii can easily change the law to no issue, then HR 38 would not be valid here.  We need a federally mandated national right to carry that has the same standing as paying federal tax.  A state does not need to require its residents to pay state taxes, but it cannot pass a law saying you don't have to pay federal taxes.  Or like a valid driver license, no state can say another state license is not valid here.

This is what I used to think also, that HI would then go "no issue", but then they would again lose in SCOTUS.  SCOTUS already ruled in the MacDonald case that it was unconstitutional for Chicago to have a "no issue" law, which is why Illinois is now a "shall issue" state.  (Actually, MacDonald should already be a precedent so even the lower courts would have to rule against HI going "no issue".)  Frankly, if H.R.38 passes as is (that is allowing both resident & non-resident permits) it would be foolish for HI to not change their law to "shall issue" or at least begin to issue under the "may issue" law since that way the state gets the fees for CC permits, instead of other states that we get them from.  You know how it is in HI; ANYTHING for MONEY, especially since the state's finances aren't in the best of shape (thank you Dems).  I think what they would do is take Sen. Gabbard's bill, add some requirements and jack up the $10 fee to maybe $200.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Baker win at the 9th CCA - What now?
« on: April 09, 2017, 06:05:39 AM »
This ruling may be over, but we do have "light at the end of the tunnel" as there is the federal reciprocity bill which if passed, will allow concealed carry in Hawaii.  H.R.38 which was submitted by Rep. Hudson is written in a way (according to Hudson; I'm not good at "legalese") that it will allow both resident and non-resident carry permits to be valid in ALL states that have a permitting statute, of which Hawaii does (never mind that they don't ever issue to private citizens unless you're a LEO or armored security, etc.)  This bill, if passed will allow all Hawaii residents who have permits from other states to be able to carry outside of our homes here, provided your carry permit has your photograph on it (which disqualifies the current AZ permit which does not).  Of course, Hawaii may appeal it but if/when it gets to the Supreme Court, the State will lose now that Gorsuch will be the 9th justice on the Court. So, there is hope that this will happen in my lifetime after all.  :wave:
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General Discussion / Koko Head Range is so sad...
« on: February 05, 2017, 08:59:22 PM »
I guess it's true that "Maui No Ka Oi" (Maui is the best).  Unlike KHSC here that restricts you to 5 rounds in a magazine and you can't fire rapidly really shows how backwards Oahu is compared to Maui.  Yes, not only does Maui have an NHRA drag strip (which we no longer have despite having almost 10 times the population of Maui) and Krispy Kreme, but they also have a COUNTY shooting range that apparently has NO limit on how many rounds you can have in your magazine AND you can shoot as rapidly as you want (obviously you must be "in control" or the RSO will get on your back).  I thought the Ukumehame range was a "gun club" range when I saw the video of them shooting 50 cal rifles and shooting an AR-15 with a slide stock, but I was wrong.  The Ukumehame shooting range IS a Maui County range under the Parks and Recreation department.  We need to urge our City Council to change the rules at KHSC so we can actually practice home defense tactics using our pistols or rifles.  Reality is that you won't shoot a threatening criminal once and count 1-2-3 before shooting again.  You'll be dead if you had to wait.  We need to be able to train at our public range as well as having target positions at perhaps 10-15 yards, not only 25 yards for the handgun range (how many of you have a home that has a 25 yard distance from one end of the hallway or stairway to the other?)  Anyway, it'd be a shame to have to fly to Maui just to practice using my AR or handgun with self-defense tactics.  Check out the video at
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Legal and Activism / Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii 2017?
« on: December 11, 2016, 08:44:54 PM »
Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat and ardent gun-control advocate, said he believes any version of a national reciprocity bill would be “dead on arrival” in the Senate, due to strong Democratic opposition.

That concerns me.  It sounds like the just the kind of issue that Trump would make a snap "that sounds like it makes sense" decision on, to thunderous applause.

One would think that the Democrats think they have control of both houses of Congress.  With Republican majorities in both houses (including Democrats that won't vote against it because they don't want to lose their seat in 2018, especially if their state HAS concealed carry) I hardly think it's "dead on arrival".  That's extremely wishful thinking on the part of Blumenthal.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii 2017?
« on: December 05, 2016, 10:53:37 AM »


Democrats promise to kill any national conceal carry reciprocity agreement in the senate

Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat and ardent gun-control advocate, said he believes any version of a national reciprocity bill would be “dead on arrival” in the Senate, due to strong Democratic opposition.

Blumenthal has also said that Democrats are planning to push forward with even more background check legislation, and work with Trump on banning those on the terrorist watch list from owning firearms.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12...in-the-senate/

Isn't it incredible that Democrats have nothing between their ears?  They just don't understand that all the background checks in the world will do nothing at stopping "mass shootings" because the vast majority of these shooters do NOT go to FFLs or gun shows to get their firearms.  They're absolutely clueless on anything of an intellectual matter.  (I don't want to paint them with a broad brush because there are some so-called "democrats" that do get it and probably would support reciprocity.)  Anyway, at the least the stock market is incredibly supportive of a Trump victory as we keep hitting record highs almost daily since the election.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii 2017?
« on: December 01, 2016, 12:39:15 PM »


When I go to the USA Carry reciprocity map and select "Utah - Resident", I count 37 states honoring that permit.  When I select "Utah - Non-Resident", I count 32.  That leaves five states you could be mistaken about.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

That map is usually right on, though reciprocity agreements change, and rules for honoring certain state's permits can be updated.  Always compare the map to the state's laws online before traveling.

Actually, when I counted the list of non-resident states, it came out to 31 (incl. Utah). Thanks for that info; I didn't see any stipulations in the state laws of the states I was looking at (GA & NV), probably because those 2 states do recognize the Utah non-resident permit.  Yeah, anytime I'm planning on going somewhere on the mainland, I always go to that state's website and check their firearms regs; I'm kind of certain if they don't accept certain non-resident permits, it would say so in their statutes.  Thanks!
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Legal and Activism / Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii 2017?
« on: November 30, 2016, 11:35:23 PM »
Who does such a course here in Hawaii?

I have my Utah non-resident permit after taking the the CCW class from Butch Helemano.  The course included classroom study and range time to demonstrate proficiency and safety practices. It's an excellent course and you can get details on the website (http://northshoremarksmen.vpweb.com/concealed-carry-course).  Utah's permit is currently recognized in 36 other states besides Utah.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii 2017?
« on: November 27, 2016, 05:36:15 AM »

In writing to William Jarvis, Jefferson said, “You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.”

I agree with you absolutely on this, as the country was originally founded on "co-equal" branches of government; executive, legislative & judicial.  Seems to me that co-equal meant that they're all sharing identical "power" and that no branch would have supreme authority over the other.  Yet, as we obviously have seen in recent decades (the worst is the last decade) SCOTUS has been the ultimate power, so to speak, and nothing can overrule them. It's really sad that our nation has come to this from what it used to be.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii 2017?
« on: November 23, 2016, 07:36:49 PM »
I actually don't care what the HI AG said, I look at what HRS has to say about it.  Interestingly, even though we're a "may issue" state only because there is a statute that permits it, I guess they never put in requirements for training, etc. because they never intended to issue at all (I guess training isn't important judging by how great HPD's own officers shoot). Legislators here need to look at reality instead of thinking up scare tactic scenarios of "blood baths" and "wild west shootouts".  We're talking about allowing law-abiding citizens to be armed outside of their homes, NOT CRIMINALS.  We're talking about the VERY SAME law-abiding gun owners who currently are NOT carrying outside their homes BECAUSE THEY'RE LAW-ABIDING!  We follow the law! How hard is it to understand that, Democrats? If we're NOT breaking the laws now, what makes you think we'll break the laws then IF you allow us to obtain permits to carry concealed?  How stupid is that?  I guess LOGIC was never a strong suit for local Democrats.
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Legal and Activism / Re: Representative Letter
« on: November 20, 2016, 05:31:20 AM »

I have asked everyone, from the governor and the attorney general on down to legislators and police chiefs to provide me with evidence and/or a justification or rationale as to why Hawaii residents would be any less responsible than all the other licensed/permitted concealed and open carriers......... to bear arms for self-defense. Are you surprised that not one single one of them has ever even answered my queries, much less actually provided an answer as to why Hawaii residents are, in their view, incompetent and irresponsible bumbling idiots? But that's what they think of us. That's what they think of you. Nice.

I think that they KNOW the majority of Hawaii's residents are indeed "bumbling idiots".  After all, they keep re-electing liberal Democrats to the Legislature & governorship.  (Isn't it funny that "liberal" in this case means restrictive for anything "common sense" but free for all in other areas, ie. boys can use girls' bathrooms, etc., etc.)
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