I actually don't care what the HI AG said, I look at what HRS has to say about it.  Interestingly, even though we're a "may issue" state only because there is a statute that permits it, I guess they never put in requirements for training, etc. because they never intended to issue at all (I guess training isn't important judging by how great HPD's own officers shoot). Legislators here need to look at reality instead of thinking up scare tactic scenarios of "blood baths" and "wild west shootouts".  We're talking about allowing law-abiding citizens to be armed outside of their homes, NOT CRIMINALS.  We're talking about the VERY SAME law-abiding gun owners who currently are NOT carrying outside their homes BECAUSE THEY'RE LAW-ABIDING!  We follow the law! How hard is it to understand that, Democrats? If we're NOT breaking the laws now, what makes you think we'll break the laws then IF you allow us to obtain permits to carry concealed?  How stupid is that?  I guess LOGIC was never a strong suit for local Democrats.

I actually don't care what the HI AG said, I look at what HRS has to say about it. 

The AG is the one who decides what the HRS legally says sooooooo..............

The AG is the one who decides what the HRS legally says sooooooo..............

Technically, I think the AG decides what to prosecute and what to let slide...  The Hawaii Supreme Court decides what the HRS legally says.  Right?

Bringing things back to the title of this thread:

Concealed Carry in Hawaii 2017?

I'm gonna go way way out on a limb here: NO.

 

P.S. Nor Open Carry.

Technically, I think the AG decides what to prosecute and what to let slide...  The Hawaii Supreme Court decides what the HRS legally says.  Right?

So if the police arrest you for breaking the law,They arrest you and make an interpenetration of the law and file charges.
The AG looks at the charges and the evidence and wording of the law, They then decide What they believe the law legally says, If they belive you have broken the law and if there is enough evidence to prosecute you.
You then go to court the AG explains what you did and what the law saysthe jury hears the evidence and finds you guilty not not guilty. If you are found guilty You can appeal it and that is when it would go to the higher courts.

So if the police arrest you for breaking the law,They arrest you and make an interpenetration of the law and file charges.
The AG looks at the charges and the evidence and wording of the law, They then decide What they believe the law legally says, If they belive you have broken the law and if there is enough evidence to prosecute you.
You then go to court the AG explains what you did and what the law saysthe jury hears the evidence and finds you guilty not not guilty. If you are found guilty You can appeal it and that is when it would go to the higher courts.

Kinda splitting hairs here... So we ALL interpret the law and decide what we think it says, but the opinion that really matters is the opinion of the court.

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Kinda splitting hairs here... So we ALL interpret the law and decide what we think it says, but the opinion that really matters is the opinion of the court.

Some people have vehemently objected to that idea, not the least among them Thomas Jefferson (one among many quotes from him opposing "judicial supremacy"):

In writing to William Jarvis, Jefferson said, “You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.”

This is what we need in Hawaii:



A relatively-young female legislator to lead the charge on carry (concealed and/or open). This woman happens to be sponsoring the current "constitutional carry" bill in South Dakota. Making the issue at least partly "self protection" for those of smaller stature often victimized by those of larger stature frames the question in a way few could reasonably object (Notice I wrote "reasonably"! I don't consider "But... guns!" or "The children!" as "reasonable" arguments.).

Here's an excerpt from the brief article noting the percentage of adults in South Dakota that currently have CCW licenses (I would love to see the look on the statist tyrant faces around here if they knew that almost one out of every 5 people on the street was carrying. Priceless!):

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2016/11/south-dakota-constitutional-carry-bill.html

South Dakota: Constitutional Carry Bill to be Introduced for 2016

On Oct. 31, 2016, there were more than 95,000 active concealed pistol permits in South Dakota according to the secretary of state's office. The population of South Dakota in 2016  is 844,877.  About 65.4% of the population is 18 or older. That would be 552,550.  People with concealed carry permits are now 17% of the adult population.

In writing to William Jarvis, Jefferson said, “You seem to consider the judges as the ultimate arbiters of all constitutional questions; a very dangerous doctrine indeed, and one which would place us under the despotism of an oligarchy.”

I agree with you absolutely on this, as the country was originally founded on "co-equal" branches of government; executive, legislative & judicial.  Seems to me that co-equal meant that they're all sharing identical "power" and that no branch would have supreme authority over the other.  Yet, as we obviously have seen in recent decades (the worst is the last decade) SCOTUS has been the ultimate power, so to speak, and nothing can overrule them. It's really sad that our nation has come to this from what it used to be.

   With the somewhat realistic hopes of national concealed carry reciprocity, how many of you would  pay $100 to take the Utah  non-resident CCW  license course ?
The course is a 4 hr minimum teaching class, no firearms or ammunition required or allowed.
There would be an additional $47.00 Utah fee ($35.00 for non-residents for application and permit processing $12.00 charged by the FBI to process your fingerprint cards) as well as the cost of fingerprint cards and postage.
    

   With the somewhat realistic hopes of national concealed carry reciprocity, how many of you would  pay $100 to take the Utah  non-resident CCW  license course ?
The course is a 4 hr minimum teaching class, no firearms or ammunition required or allowed.
There would be an additional $47.00 Utah fee ($35.00 for non-residents for application and permit processing $12.00 charged by the FBI to process your fingerprint cards) as well as the cost of fingerprint cards and postage.
    

Small amount to pay for your safety.  I would pay in the G's to CCW in Hawaii.

   With the somewhat realistic hopes of national concealed carry reciprocity, how many of you would  pay $100 to take the Utah  non-resident CCW  license course ?
The course is a 4 hr minimum teaching class, no firearms or ammunition required or allowed.
There would be an additional $47.00 Utah fee ($35.00 for non-residents for application and permit processing $12.00 charged by the FBI to process your fingerprint cards) as well as the cost of fingerprint cards and postage.
    

Who does such a course here in Hawaii?

Who does such a course here in Hawaii?

From the Utah website. Not sure how accurate or up to date the list is:

http://site.utah.gov/dps-criminal/wp-content/uploads/sites/15/2016/11/insoutstate11222016.pdf

Who does such a course here in Hawaii?

I am considering acquiring the instructors license myself, 
Just wondering if there would be enough interest to at least make my investment back.  .

I was going to take it next year, maybe in March.  Let me know if you want to team up for it.  I'm also working on my NRA Pers Protection Outside the Home certs.

Who does such a course here in Hawaii?

I have my Utah non-resident permit after taking the the CCW class from Butch Helemano.  The course included classroom study and range time to demonstrate proficiency and safety practices. It's an excellent course and you can get details on the website (http://northshoremarksmen.vpweb.com/concealed-carry-course).  Utah's permit is currently recognized in 36 other states besides Utah.

I have my Utah non-resident permit after taking the the CCW class from Butch Helemano.  The course included classroom study and range time to demonstrate proficiency and safety practices. It's an excellent course and you can get details on the website (http://northshoremarksmen.vpweb.com/concealed-carry-course).  Utah's permit is currently recognized in 36 other states besides Utah.

You should be very careful about knowing which states accept your non-resident permits, such as the Utah non-resident CCW permit. 

For instance, FL does not honor your permit.  FL only honors permits from other states issued to residents, not non-residents.  That's why most people who have a Utah non-resident also apply for a Florida non-resident.  Another reason is to have some overlap in case you're visiting a state  which was recently dropped from the reciprocity list.  If one permit no longer works there, hopefully your other one/s will.

When I go to the USA Carry reciprocity map and select "Utah - Resident", I count 37 states honoring that permit.  When I select "Utah - Non-Resident", I count 32.  That leaves five states you could be mistaken about.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

That map is usually right on, though reciprocity agreements change, and rules for honoring certain state's permits can be updated.  Always compare the map to the state's laws online before traveling.

When I go to the USA Carry reciprocity map and select "Utah - Resident", I count 37 states honoring that permit.  When I select "Utah - Non-Resident", I count 32.  That leaves five states you could be mistaken about.

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html

That map is usually right on, though reciprocity agreements change, and rules for honoring certain state's permits can be updated.  Always compare the map to the state's laws online before traveling.

Actually, when I counted the list of non-resident states, it came out to 31 (incl. Utah). Thanks for that info; I didn't see any stipulations in the state laws of the states I was looking at (GA & NV), probably because those 2 states do recognize the Utah non-resident permit.  Yeah, anytime I'm planning on going somewhere on the mainland, I always go to that state's website and check their firearms regs; I'm kind of certain if they don't accept certain non-resident permits, it would say so in their statutes.  Thanks!

Gene from OGC does a class.

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These f*ck*rs, er, *ssh*les, uh, duly elected representatives of the people never give up... and you can be sure that ours, Hirono/Schatz, will be right on board continuing to vote against our legal right to bear arms outside the home for self-defense. They don't have the votes unless they know for sure some RINOs will join them... though I suppose they will attempt to filibuster, which would require 60 votes to pass. The possible upside is that the more they obstruct such legislation the more likely that they will suffer more losses in the senate in 2018 where more than 2/3 of the senators up for re-election are Democrats... some in purple or reddish states.

Democrats promise to kill any national conceal carry reciprocity agreement in the senate

Connecticut Sen. Richard Blumenthal, a Democrat and ardent gun-control advocate, said he believes any version of a national reciprocity bill would be “dead on arrival” in the Senate, due to strong Democratic opposition.

Blumenthal has also said that Democrats are planning to push forward with even more background check legislation, and work with Trump on banning those on the terrorist watch list from owning firearms.

http://www.theblaze.com/news/2016/12...in-the-senate/