Try "zeroing" or "boresight" or "bore sight"

Tried that but still no indication of Search running.  I am on IE11 did a refresh, turned off all blocks to tracking.  Maybe I'll go with Mozilla and give them a try.

Update: Tried Mozilla and still no Search.  Anyone who can simply direct me to a posting that shares recommendations on laser alignment / zero in with handgun (specifically a Viridian Reactor).  Overall suggestion is to use 50' maximum others have suggested 21'. Methodology from Viridian YouTube,  presuming your iron sights are aligned,  you aim and fire a grouping using laser.  Then use laser and aim at grouping and then you use windage and elevation adjustments to move laser to align to center of target.  Hence bringing the laser into line with open sights / bore.   However, the written instructions are much like the Crimson Trace process on YouTube.  Seems somewhat simple, presuming your open sights are aligned, just adjust laser to line up with top of front sight (which you could do at home) then take down to range for confirmation and adjust as needed.   Thank You!

Not sure how the Boy Scout Council is insured, but when my 2 girls were in Girl Scouts, adults who wanted to use the camp (father/daughter weekend camp) needed to be insured, which required us to join Girl Scouts as adult volunteers.

The Boy Scouts might not have insurance limitations for visitors.  Something to check into maybe?

 

I understand, the adult participants had to be signed up as Adult Leaders (Scoutmaster / A. Scoutmaster) or Member of Committee (Committee Chair, Finance, Parent.) being part of a Boy Scout Troop or Pack.  I believe Parental (or Guardian) forms was not to difficult to fill out but should always be done way before attending a function (i.e. Summer Camp / Day Camp).   I use to ask Parents to just sign up as a member of Committee and the Troop would take care of the registration cost (minimal $).  So if they opted to join a function we don't have to go thru the sign up process right prior to event when it could become time sensitive.  I'm quite sure that those who are concerned are aware of Camp Pupukea shooting range facilities...regardless I'll try and get appropriate parties to hook up and discuss.  Members of the HRA will attest that the Pupukea camp has a decent shooting range set up...so does Camp Maluhia on Maui.

If availability is an issue, I'm not certain if there has been an effort to have the Boy Scouts of America open up their Pupukea facilty for Hunter Education.  As a former certified member of Aloha Council outdoor training staff, I believe the facilities at Camp Pupukea should be well suite to accommodate if #'s become an issue.  I am aware that annual Boy Scouts of America "Sportsman's Challenge" at Camp Pupukea, Oahu, Hawaii is conducted there every year.  I used to work with DNLR whenever our Troop went out on hikes in case they wanted to have signs or trail markers posted to make sure hikers stay on the trail...no trail blazing (another subject).  Hence, perhaps in a pinch this should be considered and coordinated.

According to Fox New the Post instructed those on site to either "run, hide or fight" and the naval authorities will address situation.  In particular, I like the option of being able to fight.  Perhaps a simple and rational justification for conceal and carry (with appropriate training).  Just my thoughts.

Dumbgun, A bit late but thanks for taking lead on being interviewed.

Thank you  Dumbgun   

By the way submitting a letter saying you no longer have issues when you never had any issue is  providing "false information" which in itself is grounds to not be issued a permit. 

Per the aforementioned, this is called being placed in a "crazy making situation" or "damn if you do...damn it you don't".   However, within the context of what we are discussing perhaps we need to careful in not implying that "we" are in a "crazy or insane" situation.  In discussing this issue with others, I refer to situation as an excellent  example of incompetence or stupidity...pick one. 

Legislative session soon to open.

I may have missed it in 17 pages of posts but what law obligates any health care provider to provide any information regarding a patient, let alone, an opinion concerning the qualifications of an individual with respect to possessing a firearm?

In my opinion, as it pertains to the medical clearance letter I believe what is being requested is a review of Electronic Medical Records (EMR) and a statement of whether or patient "had any prior or current history of mental illness, drug abuse or alcohol abuse." and not an opinion. The only part that I can see that would be an opinion would be "is fully capable of making his own medical decisions".  However, that can be argued since mental competency needs to be disproved by the courts and then having someone assigned as a Guardian and/or granted Power of Attorney due to mental incompetency...which should show up in the medical records and if not, then the patient is capable of making his/her own medical decisions.  Just to be safe, perhaps an attorney specializing in Family Law could confirm since they deal with mental competency issues.  Medical practitioners walk a fine line and need to be careful on this sensitive subject of being mentally incompetent to avoid any potential litigation from a patient.   Again, just my opinion.

I will be attempting to call the Firearms Section prior to making an attempt to stand in line and will let you know what happens.  I did fill out my application on December 11, 2015 and process stalled after not being able to secure a medical clearance letter.  Application set to expire on December 31, 2015, if no resolution then I need to reapply.  I hope that my visit to Behavioral Science to work out an Rx to help with smoking cessation (this visit was approved by PCP).  Tried one Rx and it kept me awake and I ended up with what I started with Zyban (which has same characteristics as an anti-depressant).  I did end up quitting  (so far 5 years!) and it is not easy as those who smoked will attest. We'll see what happens.

By the way, I have shared our dilemma of securing permits with a number of folks and below is a response by an acquaintance who left HI for WA....grew up here his entire adult life and moved to WA about 8 years ago.  He's doing well and will retire and stay in WA.  He laughs at what's been going on here and just reminds me that our ridiculous challenges are an good example of why he and his Family left Hawaii.

According to him, there has been an increase in the number of conceal and carry applications "...130 people a day have been applying and almost 500,000 folks in WA have it.  that's like a third of all Hawaii residents thought you might be interested  how it works here" ... I guess he means America...

You can share this with other discussion threads on Conceal and Carry if you'd like

http://www.southsound911.org/153/Concealed-Pistol-Licenses

"Happy New Year!"

Update: Went down to HPD this a.m. at ~ 9:30 a.m. only one person ahead of me.  When it was my turn I explained why I was there and was simply asked for my I.D. they looked thru a large stack of permits and said I was good to go!  I would recommend that if you know of any Kaiser member who was attempting to get a medical clearance letter and was still looking to get down there and pick their permit up...time could be of the essence.  My permit was set to expire on 12/31.  Another acquaintance (a Kaiser member) was in line and he had a signed medical clearance letter from a licensed Psychologist I told him  that no letter is now required but keep it handy just in case.  There are those who still may not be aware of change back to what it was.  Please get the word out so #1 They can stop their physician search  #2 Get back in to pick up their permit which may be time sensitive.

Next Steps: In my opinion, I believe Kaiser opted not to respond like in the past and placed its' membership in a difficult, costly and "crazy making situation"...nix that...let's say no-win situation.  I believe their Certificate of Insurance clearly states they provide "diagnosis, evaluation and treatment of substance abuse...mental illness and treatment of Serious Mental Illness"; Covered Services #18, #19 and #31.  Hence, Kaiser should via their Electronic Medical Records (EMR) easily pull down and validate what HPD wanted all along.  Note:   This is why when you're in the exam room the Dr. doesn't have a huge file folder...he or she use the terminal to access what he or she needs...it's quite impressive.  Keep in mind that I sometimes have to tell the Dr. to go look for something if he questions you about a condition.  With that being said Kaiser did not provide those who went out-of-network what they paid for via their premium...a breach of contract. So I would recommend that a complaint be filed to be reimbursed for services rendered by outside physician.  In addition, the argument could be made that while Kaiser provides a medical clearance letter for certain critical job applications, in this instance they did not provide same.  In my opinion, this is discriminatory and contra to what we are suppose to expect regarding the 2nd amendment.

I will still be filing a complaint with the Kaiser - Hawaii Region (only Kaiser Region affected) and Kaiser - Corporate to voice my dissatisfaction along with several other decisions they made this past year that just doesn't sit right with me.

Again, get the word out to other Kaiser members who are may be affected by this and head off having to incur any further frustration and cost.

I apologize for the length of the message.

 

     

I informed my kaiser PCP who's name appears on this sample letter. This is is response to HPD violating DR/Patient confidentiality. Anybody have HOLCOMB's Email? Please email this info to him. I have the phone number, not the email address. Evidence that HPD is out of control and doing whatever they want.

Cut and pasted in its entirety from my Kaiser account.


Received:
12/23/2015  8:45 PM HST
Hello Mr.XXXXXXX,

Thank you for the information. I was shocked and dismayed to find out HPD is handing out a confidential letter I wrote for a patient on 12/02/2015. This letter was not even meant to allow a firearms permit to be obtained, and was only meant to inform HPD that the person requesting it had no evidence of mental illness (as HPD had requested to know). The following day (12/03/2015), Kaiser advised the doctors in our Waipio clinic that we would in no way be allowed to ever produce a letter that could lead to a person possibly obtaining a firearms permit. Little did I know that my letter, typed out the day before this announcement by Kaiser, would be used in the way I never intended, as well as released for all to see.
The person on whose behalf I wrote the letter, even with his identification 'blacked out', has stated formally to me that the release of my letter to the public is a breach of patient-doctor confidentiality, of which I am in agreement.


Sincerely,

Jonathan Shun MD

I was also given Dr. Shun's short form letter from HPD.  However, In my opinion if we all review the letter dated December 2, 2015.  Simply put, the letter simply states "no history of prior drug abuse, alcohol abuse, or mental illness".  If we examine our Kaiser Certificate of Insurance and Kaiser's Covered Services #18 (substance abuse), #19 (mental illness) #31 (Serious Mental Illness); diagnosis, evaluation and treatment.  So there is consistency.  Subsequently Kaiser retains our medical records of an Electronic Medical Records (EMR) system (Straub has same software package).   Then with our authorization (when we fill out the HPD permit application) a physician can review and release a medical clearance letter (if we pass).  Hence Dr. Suhn is not in violation of any patient-doctor confidentiality (HIPPA violation).  Working in healthcare for over 30+ years and required to be certified on the HIPPA law / violation training I would push back on Kaiser Regional implying that Dr. Suhn violated the HIPPA law since we (again) authorized release of our own medical records.  In addition, no where in the short form letter does it state "obtaining a firearms permit", again letter simply states "no history of prior drug abuse, alcohol abuse, or mental illness"...which I believe is same verbage used for medical clearances for certain job applications.  If we were follow the thought process for the aforementioned reply by Dr. Suhn / Kaiser Hawaii Regional should not be in any position to provide medical clearances...period.  Hence, the argument of using a medical clearance letter to "possibly obtaining a firearms permit" is rather weak and subjective.   I guess I don't "get it"...I presume I was not afforded the opportunity to attend a quality institution of higher education (i.e. Ivy League) so my attempt to utilize logic may be construed suspect(?). 

By the way, I have reached out to Mr. Holcomb and kept a detailed paper trail on my efforts to secure my gun permit / medical clearance letter.  Running parallel to this, I plan to file a complaint on the aforementioned Covered Services and not having an authorized review and medical clearance letter provided with Kaiser Regional and/or Corporate.  Running parallel to this all of this, I will be reaching out to Dr. that was recommended to review and provide medical clearance letter.  Good Luck to all in your endeavors and a "Merry Christmas!"....keep a Positive Attitude!