Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed... (Read 14508 times)

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #20 on: December 26, 2013, 06:17:17 PM »
The problem was you mentioned Constitution + Conservative + Hawaii in the same sentence.  :rofl:

Thry are around, just that everyone here is too busy being shammed by their unions into voting in all the scumbags that are in power now.  Nearly all Hawaii's politicians consistently screw over the working/middle class, push for unsustainable programs, and rape the taxpayer.  All funded by the self serving powerful unions and powerful monopolies which buy votes to prevent competition.        Some never learn.

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #21 on: December 26, 2013, 06:37:22 PM »
I dont like Inouye and never did. 2 faced. Hawaii's laws against 2@ can be traced back to him and his cronies. He had a lot of influence. Bad influence that is still on today. Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt. That describes Hawaii's politics, traced to Inouye. period.

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #22 on: December 26, 2013, 07:48:01 PM »
I'm a bit surprised that people on “2aHawaii, Hawaii's Firearm, Shooting, and Hunting Community” are so enthusiastic in support of someone who at virtually every turn attempted to take their firearms and Second Amendment rights away. I have no issue with people who respect Inouye because of his military service, but I fail to see how that service gives him a “pass” on Second Amendment issues, or any other issues (see below) for that matter. I also fail to understand how, because of his 50 (FIFTY!) YEARS of Senate seniority and thus his years as number two and then chairmanship position on the Senate Appropriations Committee, his ability to disproportionately steer federal tax dollars to Hawaii is due respect. Thanks for all the ”pork” (aka “earmarks”)? Maybe, but “respect”? Personally, I'd rather see taxpayers everywhere get to keep more of their earned income rather than having (under threat of incarceration) to give so much of it to the federal government where Senators like Inouye used their seniority influence to take more than their fair share:

Hawaii ranks 2nd in pork-barrel spending

Hawaii ranks 2nd among states in attracting 2008 [essentially the same for other years] federal earmark projects, averaging $220.63 per resident on "pork-barrel spending."
The annual list put out by Citizens Against Government Waste highlights projects added to federal budget spending without congressional debate.
Alaska again topped the states in 2008 earmarks with $379 million in earmarks for a population of 683,478, or per-capita pork spending of $555.54.
Hawaii has earmarked $283 million.
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Leading this feeding frenzy at the trough are Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and the number two Democrat on the committee, Senate Appropriations committee member Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii), whose states ranked first and second, respectively, in per capita pork for FY 2001. Sen. Stevens secured $480.3 million for Alaska ($766 per person) and Sen. Inouye secured $474.6 million for Hawaii ($392 per person) in the FY 2001 march to the pork barrel. Per capita pork for Alaska was 30 times the national average, while Hawaii raked in 15 times the per capita national average of $25.52.
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That's ethical or deserving of  “respect”? To me, it's corruption, influence peddling, and pure political power being wielded for power's sake. How would Hawaii citizens feel if their share of the pork was 1/30th or 1/15th that of the national average? I suppose that is what commentors here are fearing or complaining about with the new senators... they simply won't have the power/seniority to give Hawaii far more than it's fair share of federal tax dollars and Hawaii would have to develop some kind of real sustainable economy based upon viable government laws influencing business practices and regulations.

So besides stealing money from other states to bolster Hawaii's poorly managed and governed economy, what else did Inouye do for us?

Besides the list in my previous post of Inouye's anti-Second Amendment anti-gun legislation support, he also voted against a National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act: 07/22/2009
Daniel Inouye voted Nay (Amendment Vote) - S Amdt 1618 - Authorizing Concealed Firearms Across State Lines
He also voted FOR the original “Assault Weapons Ban” of 1994-2004, and then voted again to extend the ban for another 10 years (which failed despite his efforts, or we'd still be laboring under that nonsense).
Here is a statement from Inouye re firearms:
“Our country needs a national gun law. We should limit the number and type of weapons an individual is allowed to own and they ought to be catalogued in a national database that every arms dealer has to check before making a sale. “ [“You don't need another rifle/handgun...one of each is enough... you don't need even ONE rifle like that...”]

If you like the “Affordable Care Act”, you can keep the “Affordable Care Act”, thanks in part to Inouye's votes for it.

How about being spied upon and surveilled by our government servants? How'd Inouye vote?

Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps. (Feb 2011)
Voted NO on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls. (Feb 2008)
Voted YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)

How'd Inouye vote on border security/illegal immigration issues?

Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

How'd Inouye vote on justices nominated for the Supreme Court?

Voted YES on confirming of Sonia Sotomayor to Supreme Court. (Aug 2009)
Voted NO on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted NO on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
[Had Inouye been successful in blocking Alito and Roberts and replacing them with his preferred Sotomayor-types, we wouldn't be having any discussions about concealed carry based upon Heller, McDonald, etc.).

How “independent” was Inouye?
Voted with Democratic Party 96.9% of 293 votes. (Sep 2007)

I don't miss Inouye.
A few comments to offer…

From a DoD prospective...flag officers and SESers held him in the highest regards. Politics doesn’t or shouldn’t exist when it comes to the military and national defense. That always held true with my interactions with him and his staff.

Pork as mentioned…with very few exceptions all politicians in DC do this, republican and democrat. Usually the junior guys with no clout are the biggest complainers because they get rolled over by the senior guys. I can say personally, Inouye brought jobs to the state of Hawaii and a lot of them, not to mention a lot of new military construction, new facilities, outreach and S&T work for our youth and college kids. He’s dumped millions into helping grade school through college work with our DoD engineers and scientists on numerous projects and initiatives. I have personally had many of my engineers and scientists work with the various public grade schools, public high schools and UH to educate them and introduce them to various aspects of science and engineering, and delivering a pretty good end product. This is dollars well spent.

Lets look at H3…I believe $1.3B and decades of work and jobs that spanned almost two decades, with over 20 contractors. This stuff isn’t trivial.

“Orders for the freeway were granted in 1960, followed by planning stages. Construction, amid enormous community protest, was begun in the late 1980s, although the road did not open until December 12, 1997. Environmental complaints and legal challenges halted construction at many points. Construction resumed during the late 1980s due to an unprecedented move by U.S. Senator Daniel Inouye, who in 1986 had the freeway exempted from most environmental laws[2] as a rider on aDepartment of Defense budget bill.

Same story with Saddle Road on the Big Island. Rapid Transit (Rail), whether like it or not, over $1.5B. Maui Super Computer, PMRF, NAVSEA facilities, Shipyard upgrades (pretty much annually), MILCON’s Military Housing, etc, etc, etc.  I could go on and on but you get the idea. You claim this to be corruption, I respectively disagree. This is what politicians do…fight for their states, so they don’t end up like Detroit and many other places. Maybe he has had some BS projects, I don’t doubt that but he has literally brought hundreds of billions of dollars into our economy throughout his tenure. I can say personally the criteria for Inouye’s plus-ups were: 1) must benefit DoD, 2) must benefit state of Hawaii, 3) must create jobs. Again, you call it corruption, I disagree. I’m not sure you could even measure how much he has contributed and helped the state of Hawaii but one thing is for sure…Hawaii will not be getting all of those federal dollars they used to enjoy, but other states surely will. That’s politics and it won’t change.

Some may say earmarks are no longer allowed but that’s not really true. What is happening is dollars are still flowing into existing PEs but no new PEs are authorized. What that equates to is existed PEs are modified to include additional elements within that PE. That is what is being done, so earmarks are still actively being funded.

Now…voting record. Of course he is going to vote along party lines….he was a lifelong democrat. This is how politics works…democrats generally vote along their platform philosophy and principles, whether we like them or not. Same is exactly true for republicans. Just because he was a combat veteran, did anyone think a democrat would cross party lines. Hell, if that was the case he would have been a republican.

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"How “independent” was Inouye?
Voted with Democratic Party 96.9% of 293 votes. (Sep 2007)

Who ever said he was independent. Sounds to me that he voted exactly how his constituents wanted him to vote…he’s a democrat and those are the people who voted for him. Did you really expect a democrat to vote pro 2a…that’s not reality? Would you expect Ted Cruz to vote for an assault weapons ban. Same story, different party. 

BTW…I have never voted for any Democrat, just making observations. If you’re going to have a democrat in office, might as well be one that helps the state of Hawaii in some aspect but again, you call this corruption. I also believe there should be term limits, which would probably help with the pork problem.

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #23 on: December 26, 2013, 08:03:03 PM »
He traded money for our freedom. Good trade you say ??? It wouldve gotten done without him. Still, dems no good for hawaii. Inouye played the game very well. No doubt. Still, I am a 2nd class citizen compared to the free states and his cronies. I dont think it was worth it. All it did was build his constituents. Just my opinion.

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #24 on: December 26, 2013, 08:23:16 PM »
He traded money for our freedom. Good trade you say ??? It wouldve gotten done without him. Still, dems no good for hawaii. Inouye played the game very well. No doubt. Still, I am a 2nd class citizen compared to the free states and his cronies. I dont think it was worth it. All it did was build his constituents. Just my opinion.
I didn't say good trade but the state voted him in for decades...I surely didn't vote for him. I merely pointed out how he helped the state as a democrat and I clearly disagree with his democratic position on most issues. But he was no more corrupt, as many like to refer to it, than most politicians regardless of party.

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« Reply #25 on: December 26, 2013, 08:54:58 PM »
Pork as mentioned…with very few exceptions all politicians in DC do this, republican and democrat. Usually the junior guys with no clout are the biggest complainers because they get rolled over by the senior guys.
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That’s politics and it won’t change.
And you don't call that "corruption", nor consider it to be unethical? Using one's power to disproportionately allocate money to one's home state at the expense of other states to the tune of 15 or 20 or 30 TIMES or more per capita than what the "junior" lacking-in-seniority politicians are able to garner for their states is de facto corruption and unethical to me. Just because "everyone does it" doesn't make ethical, or right, or even acceptable. To me. You can define it as "politics" and state that "it won't change", but what would those claims, even if they were facts, have to do with ethics or the corrupt use of power?

Now…voting record. Of course he is going to vote along party lines….he was a lifelong democrat. This is how politics works…democrats generally vote along their platform philosophy and principles, whether we like them or not. Same is exactly true for republicans. Just because he was a combat veteran, did anyone think a democrat would cross party lines. Hell, if that was the case he would have been a republican.
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Who ever said he was independent. Sounds to me that he voted exactly how his constituents wanted him to vote…he’s a democrat and those are the people who voted for him. Did you really expect a democrat to vote pro 2a…that’s not reality?
My comments on this thread were based upon reading people here asserting that Inouye was missed, and that the people in power now are somehow worse than him. From a Second Amendment view, as well as the many others I listed from Inouye's voting record (and I could have listed many many more examples) I find that hard to believe (Though Representative Gabbard, and possibly others, appear to be attempting to do just that). What could the new senators vote for/against that would be worse than what Inouye voted for/against? Like I said, I'm surprised people interested in preserving Second Amendment rights supported such a person (just?) because he used his seniority power to garner massive federal funding for Hawaii projects at the expense of the taxpayers of other states. I wonder if you would still support such power grabs if you lived in one of the states robbed by Inouye? "Ho hum. Oh well. So my tax money is going to Hawaii rather than my state. That’s politics and it won’t change." Would you really be that accepting and sanguine?

I never asserted that Inouye was or ought to have been "independent", but listed that among his voting stats merely to show that he almost exclusively followed the party line. I'd prefer politicians who are capable of examining each issue on it's merits and vote on evidence, rather than political kowtowing to the bosses. Surely Inouye had absolutely no valid evidence that the "Assault Weapons Ban" would result in greater public safety by preventing people from having firearms with certain cosmetic features. Yet he voted for it, and for it's renewal/extension. That'd be just one example of using critical thinking skills to come to a conclusion about legislation rather than parroting the party line, no matter how irrational and illogical that party line is.

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« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2013, 09:11:20 PM »
And you don't call that "corruption", nor consider it to be unethical? Using one's power to disproportionately allocate money to one's home state at the expense of other states to the tune of 15 or 20 or 30 TIMES or more per capita than what the "junior" lacking-in-seniority politicians are able to garner for their states is de facto corruption and unethical to me. Just because "everyone does it" doesn't make ethical, or right, or even acceptable. To me. You can define it as "politics" and state that "it won't change", but what would those claims, even if they were facts, have to do with ethics or the corrupt use of power?
My comments on this thread were based upon reading people here asserting that Inouye was missed, and that the people in power now are somehow worse than him. From a Second Amendment view, as well as the many others I listed from Inouye's voting record (and I could have listed many many more examples) I find that hard to believe (Though Representative Gabbard, and possibly others, appear to be attempting to do just that). What could the new senators vote for/against that would be worse than what Inouye voted for/against? Like I said, I'm surprised people interested in preserving Second Amendment rights supported such a person (just?) because he used his seniority power to garner massive federal funding for Hawaii projects at the expense of the taxpayers of other states. I wonder if you would still support such power grabs if you lived in one of the states robbed by Inouye? "Ho hum. Oh well. So my tax money is going to Hawaii rather than my state. That’s politics and it won’t change." Would you really be that accepting and sanguine?

I never asserted that Inouye was or ought to have been "independent", but listed that among his voting stats merely to show that he almost exclusively followed the party line. I'd prefer politicians who are capable of examining each issue on it's merits and vote on evidence, rather than political kowtowing to the bosses. Surely Inouye had absolutely no valid evidence that the "Assault Weapons Ban" would result in greater public safety by preventing people from having firearms with certain cosmetic features. Yet he voted for it, and for it's renewal/extension. That'd be just one example of using critical thinking skills to come to a conclusion about legislation rather than parroting the party line, no matter how irrational and illogical that party line is.

We are experiencing the "balancing effect" of the corruption that is our congressional system of financial management.  We had Inouye "bringing home the bacon."  Now our powerhouse is there no more, so our state suffers.  The OTHER states with more senior members on the committees will get a bigger piece of that money pie.

Nature abhors a vacuum.  The power seat that Inouye vacated will be filled, and it will NOT be filled by a Hawaii delegate.  If it ever is, it will be a long time from now.

What goes around comes around.  All the other states' delegates who took a back seat to Inouye's clout will be clamoring to be in charge now.  Hawaii is in the back of the bus asking, "Are we there yet?", because someone else whose turn it is to drive is behind the wheel.
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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2013, 09:48:23 PM »
And you don't call that "corruption", nor consider it to be unethical? Using one's power to disproportionately allocate money to one's home state at the expense of other states to the tune of 15 or 20 or 30 TIMES or more per capita than what the "junior" lacking-in-seniority politicians are able to garner for their states is de facto corruption and unethical to me. Just because "everyone does it" doesn't make ethical, or right, or even acceptable. To me. You can define it as "politics" and state that "it won't change", but what would those claims, even if they were facts, have to do with ethics or the corrupt use of power? Hawaii has one of the largest military presence in the United States and warrants a lot of attention, resources and money...trust me on this one. We are what's between the enemy and the mainland US. If valid requirements are warranted that were not appropriated, that is a valid requirement that should be funded. I can tell you without going into details many of these requirements involved national security. Often infrastructure and improving our service members accommodations or quality of life in necessary and I support that. It wasn't that way when I served. Plus-ups are not corrupt but BS pork projects are just that and I don't think that was Inouye's MO, and I don't support or agree with those.
My comments on this thread were based upon reading people here asserting that Inouye was missed, and that the people in power now are somehow worse than him. From a Second Amendment view, as well as the many others I listed from Inouye's voting record (and I could have listed many many more examples) I find that hard to believe (Though Representative Gabbard, and possibly others, appear to be attempting to do just that). What could the new senators vote for/against that would be worse than what Inouye voted for/against? Like I said, I'm surprised people interested in preserving Second Amendment rights supported such a person (just?) because he used his seniority power to garner massive federal funding for Hawaii projects at the expense of the taxpayers of other states. I wonder if you would still support such power grabs if you lived in one of the states robbed by Inouye? "Ho hum. Oh well. So my tax money is going to Hawaii rather than my state. That’s politics and it won’t change." Would you really be that accepting and sanguine? Hawaii is so Democratic...I said I don't support his position (s). If you don't think Hawaii will suffer, so be it. Does a place like Detroit require Defense Appropriations money that Inouye headed? After all this is the corruption you are referring to...military misappropriations, which is a strong accusation. BTW I lived in Detroit during the 67 riot and been to some pretty bad places in the military to quantify what consists of a bad situation and appreciating what to be grateful for.  Sounds to me that you never served or been associated with the DoD by your comments. Not saying that negatively.

I never asserted that Inouye was or ought to have been "independent", but listed that among his voting stats merely to show that he almost exclusively followed the party line. I'd prefer politicians who are capable of examining each issue on it's merits and vote on evidence, rather than political kowtowing to the bosses. Surely Inouye had absolutely no valid evidence that the "Assault Weapons Ban" would result in greater public safety by preventing people from having firearms with certain cosmetic features. Yet he voted for it, and for it's renewal/extension. That'd be just one example of using critical thinking skills to come to a conclusion about legislation rather than parroting the party line, no matter how irrational and illogical that party line is. I agree with that statement but that is truly wishful thinking.

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2013, 06:50:23 AM »
Bunker,

I was all cool with everything up until h-3.  My understanding is that it was one of the most expensive bungled ass projects ever.   A road that small, taking that long, is nothing to be happy about. 

My best example:

In front of the rear gate (the one by PACOM) near Pearl Harbor, there is a stream.  Work was being done on said bridge when I deployed in 2003.  When I moved back to Hawaii in 2009... the road was still being completed.  They had just finished it like a year ago almost nine years later.  This road is not even like 300 yards long.  For perspective, a new bridge in my home town (six lanes, high rise bridge for ships to go under) took just about a year to build from scratch after Katrina.  The bridge is like a mile long or so.   


Aside from that, it will be interesting to see what these people can get for Hawaii.  I bet we will not see lots of new housing going up (Mil housing), or refurbs going on Scholfield etc. for a while.  No longer will we put up a new fence outside of Pearl Harbor, just to replace and older - and still fully functioning fence - "just cause".     I don't see any BRAC going down for the shipyard, Hawaii is just too strategic.  But, man oh man, the Federal dollars should be drying up. 
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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2013, 07:43:14 AM »
Bunker:

Read this article from the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/31/us/politics/31inouye.html?_r=0

The Pentagon repeatedly said they didn't want the C-17s nor more F-22s, yet Inouye (along with other senators and lobbyists from Boeing et. al.) insisted upon appropriating BILLIONS of dollars for unwanted projects. What about Mr. Guigni? You really don't think there is a TON of "corruption" going on in appropriations, military or otherwise? What about millions in appropriations to the museum of which Inouye was a board member? How is that not "corrupt"? Talk about "wishful thinking"!

Speaking of your accusation of my "wishful thinking" re my stated PREFERENCE that politicians use critical thinking skills in evaluating the true consequences and effectiveness of legislation (such as the "Assault Weapons Ban"), it was merely my preference. I never said I expected it. I know most of them are just hacks, some of them very powerful hacks, like Inouye, who even wanted to control things from the grave (as Inouye tried to control who his replacement would be). At least as regards some Second Amendment issues there are indeed Democrats in both the House and Senate who "cross over" the party line and seem to cast what I personally consider "rational" votes re "gun control" issues (of course there are a few Republcans that cross over the other way as well). So it's not just pure party-line saluting on all firearm legislation all the time.

Whatever one's view of Inouye, what's the plan for obtaining the senate seat next fall, when in the last election the challenger to the Democrat failed miserably? Or do we just have to say "lucky we live Hawaii" and watch our Constitutional rights be sold out? As I've stated in other threads, I really don't want either a Democrat or a Republican... I'd PREFER a libertarian. Yes, I'm doomed to a lifetime of frustration and sadness at seeing our country be continually corrupted by the ruling elites. I wouldn't miss any of them.

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2013, 07:58:29 AM »
I was all cool with everything up until h-3.  My understanding is that it was one of the most expensive bungled ass projects ever.   A road that small, taking that long, is nothing to be happy about. 
Hey Chris. One man's "bungled ass project" is another man's federal dollars paycheck. The Wikipedia article on the H-3 is fairly brief, but it has some good examples of, uh, our government tax dollars, and politicians, at work:

"Construction resumed during the late 1980s due to an unprecedented move by U.S. Senator Daniel Inouye, who in 1986 had the freeway exempted from most environmental laws as a rider on a Department of Defense budget bill.

H-3 is one of the most expensive Interstate Highways ever built, on a cost per mile basis. Its final cost was $1.3 billion, or approximately $80 million per mile."

I'm sure Inouye had a serious, but likely highly classified (perhaps even "Top Secret"), military and/or national security reason for exempting this construction from environmental laws... otherwise, why would he put it in a DoD budget bill? [/end sarcasm]

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2013, 08:14:53 AM »
Hey Chris. One man's "bungled ass project" is another man's federal dollars paycheck. The Wikipedia article on the H-3 is fairly brief, but it has some good examples of, uh, our government tax dollars, and politicians, at work:

"Construction resumed during the late 1980s due to an unprecedented move by U.S. Senator Daniel Inouye, who in 1986 had the freeway exempted from most environmental laws as a rider on a Department of Defense budget bill.

H-3 is one of the most expensive Interstate Highways ever built, on a cost per mile basis. Its final cost was $1.3 billion, or approximately $80 million per mile."

I'm sure Inouye had a serious, but likely highly classified (perhaps even "Top Secret"), military and/or national security reason for exempting this construction from environmental laws... otherwise, why would he put it in a DoD budget bill? [/end sarcasm]

They needed to be able to transport equipment from one side of the island to the other was the "strategic" defense.   Any way it goes, H-3 is an example of how a project should NOT go.  There was excessive money wasted (due to all the QQ).   It brings up an interesting story that my Comparative Gov't  professor told me about China.  Like us, China enjoys preserving ancient history, but they also like to not waste money and build stuff as quickly as possible.   The laws there said that when digging if you come across bones or historic items then  you need to do the surveys etc.  During a large road project one of the sites for the pylons had some artifacts.  This delayed the project, cost a stupid amount of money, so the engineers had a solution:  Pound the pylons in!  No more digging - no more finding shit.

I just hate seeing excessive waste. That old price tag for H-3 is like 4-80 times what it costs to build a normal road (based on some quick google fu).
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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2013, 10:26:33 AM »
I guess we just have a difference of opinion on whether he helped Hawaii or not. Whether he influenced (which he did) major elements in the defense appropriation bills or secured plus-ups for various projects, I believe his own comment where he says, “I seek only the country’s security and its soldiers’ safety” is where his heart was as it related to the DoD. King of pork, yes he was but I don’t believe there was any malice or ill-willed intention toward the DoD or Hawaii. Were all of his financial decisions the correct ones? No but that could be said about most politicians, especially someone who served as long as he did. Not fair to other states? Likely but that is the current state of politics. Whether we agree or disagree on whether he will be missed, only time will tell as I believe Hawaii will severally be impacted in the form of reduced federal dollars related to defense and other areas, and lack of strong representation for our DoD activities in Hawaii.

As for the shipyard…Hawaii’s shipyard has always been a target and I believe it will continue to be. The nuclear component will always remain and remain core government work but the rest could easily be contracted or closed. We have redundant shipyards in the Pacific AOR and ship alts or upkeep could easily be performed at one of the other yards. Not saying that will happen but when defense-cutting discussions take place, cost savings is the driver and looking at redundant capabilities. Without Inouye, we will have a hard time defending such things. Senior leadership is now making critical decisions based on risk management to save money (i.e., how much risk is acceptable to accomplish the mission). And that could mean reduced capabilities in the form of equipment, manpower, or standards to name a few. As for H3 and Rail…some agree and some disagree with them but Inouye just secured funding and obviously was not involved with specific details and any detail-oriented fubar. Both of these were appropriated projects that required consensus.

I think term limits is the only answer to reducing pork and minimizing corruption, and that applies to all aspects, not just appropriations and plus-ups. The current government spending is out of control with no end in sight and at some point the nation will be faced with the hard reality, and won't be able to continue kicking the can down the road. 
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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2013, 01:09:41 PM »
One might have been a medal of honor recipient, but turning your back and voting at every turn for things that are staunchly against the constitution makes me lose lots of respect.  Additionally, I would think that a man who has experienced a world war, would have truly understood the necessity of an armed populace in defense of your country.
I was very fortunate to "hang out" with most of the living Medal of Honor recipients last year, and had many good conversations with many of them during that time. While Inouye was a MoH recipient, he did not attend any of the organized gatherings, including the most recent one here in Hawaii. He was not....well thought of by many I spoke to. Whether this was due to his perceived "snubbing" of his MoH brothers, or it was something else I don't know....