Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed... (Read 14516 times)

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2013, 08:51:02 AM »
http://www.kitv.com/many-veterans-affected-by-budget-deal/-/8906042/23559786/-/5ugpgn/-/index.html?absolute=true

Why did Ms. Gabbard a vet herself vote for this bill?

Maybe because Gabbard is now covered under the Congressional benefits package and no longer dependent on the military/VA for medical coverage?  If her party says "vote", she, like our other Hawaii "representatives" have always done, say, "Yay, or Nay?"


Just a guess...
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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2013, 08:54:13 AM »
To fall in party lines...  IMO they just wanted to get something passed just to prevent a gov shutdown and plan on "fixing" it or adding "amendments" to the law later.  Something for us serving to keep an eye on.  With that said, I can't figure out why they can't do it right the first time (dysfunctional government probably).  Lord knows reworking something f*^&ed up takes longer and more effort.
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punaperson

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2013, 08:48:31 AM »
Daniel Inouye on Gun Control 
 
Voted NO on allowing firearms in checked baggage on Amtrak trains. (Apr 2009)
Voted YES on prohibiting foreign & UN aid that restricts US gun ownership. (Sep 2007)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on banning lawsuits against gun manufacturers for gun violence. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted NO on maintaining current law: guns sold without trigger locks. (Jul 1998)
Rated F by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun control voting record. (Aug 2010)

I don't really miss him. He wanted gun manufacturers to be held liable for firearm misuse, yet did not sponsor parallel legislation for automobiles, knives, or baseball bats. Hypocrite. I doubt that Hirono and/or Schatz could do worse on Second Amendment issues. I don't think the NRA gives out F- grades. Just my two cents.

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2013, 03:09:39 PM »
NOT ONE single federal legislature in our state is worth a damn. Gabbard should know better. Her Dad was one of 2 republican senators we had.She is a NEW AGE religion type. If it feels good do it. My 2 cents.

Heavies

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2013, 05:30:47 PM »
No matter what Dan's gun views where, one thing is certain....  He is the ONLY reason Hawaii has not folded up and dried out like Detroit. We'll be seeing it soon with the likes of Shitz and Hirono nating in effect... 

Jl808

Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2013, 06:06:16 PM »
Agree with Heavies. Despite his views on gun ownership and being the overlord for the Hawaii Democratic Party, he was an honored and decorated WW2 vet and took care of Hawaii as a senator. Respect.

Now that he's gone, the Democratic Party is looking at some young legislator like Shatz as it's future leadership which is kind of scary as these guys have no real life experience.
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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2013, 07:26:26 PM »
No matter what Dan's gun views where, one thing is certain....  He is the ONLY reason Hawaii has not folded up and dried out like Detroit. We'll be seeing it soon with the likes of Shitz and Hirono nating in effect...
I was about to say the same thing. His experience and years in the Senate has kept Hawaii alive despite his typical Democratic views on the 2A.
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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2013, 08:23:55 PM »
Now that he's gone, the Democratic Party is looking at some young legislator like Shatz as it's future leadership which is kind of scary as these guys have no real life experience.

Geez, just look at what the low information types here and on the mainland did for the second time, even after obvious failure! 

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Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2013, 09:09:15 PM »
I fully agree with Heavies. Inouye was a Metal of Honor recipient that has done enormous things for Hawaii and the military and served his country proud. He has probably done more for Hawaii than any single person from a economical and military standpoint. Like him or not because of his political views but he is a true legend and I believe history will judge him fairly. As far as the shipyard, he saved their bacon more than once, going all the way back to BRAC days. Could anyone ever imagine losing that amount of the economy. This is the single largest federal entity in the islands. Now the shipyard will always be in jeopardy. PMRF was on the hit list many times and he dropped millions year after year to make it the largest and best range in the entire Pacific, and made it the range for all Missile Defense T&E missions. With these new guys, we're screwed on all fronts, not just 2a.

Heavies

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2013, 10:17:44 PM »
Shatz was never elected to by be my representation, I don't give a rip about this guy. As far as I'm concerned we have NO real representation in DC.   If the people in this state actually do elect this guy back in, might as well give this place up. It is totally FUBAR.    Look for greener, free-er pastures.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2013, 08:22:27 AM by Heavies »

macsak

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2013, 10:29:56 PM »
I fully agree with Heavies. Inouye was a Metal of Honor recipient that has done enormous things for Hawaii and the military and served his country proud. He has probably done more for Hawaii than any single person from a economical and military standpoint. Like him or not because of his political views but he is a true legend and I believe history will judge him fairly. As far as the shipyard, he saved their bacon more than once, going all the way back to BRAC days. Could anyone ever imagine losing that amount of the economy. This is the single largest federal entity in the islands. Now the shipyard will always be in jeopardy. PMRF was on the hit list many times and he dropped millions year after year to make it the largest and best range in the entire Pacific, and made it the range for all Missile Defense T&E missions. With these new guys, we're screwed on all fronts, not just 2a.

i thought i heard that the shipyard is the single biggest employer in the state

macsak

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2013, 10:30:38 PM »
Shatz was never elected to by my representation, I don't give a rip about this guy. As far as I'm concerned we have NO real representation in DC.   If the people in this state actually do elect this guy back in, might as well give this place up. It is totally FUBAR.    Look for greener, free-er pastures.

right now, thanks to these people, we live in rainbow patures

punaperson

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2013, 12:54:43 PM »
I'm a bit surprised that people on “2aHawaii, Hawaii's Firearm, Shooting, and Hunting Community” are so enthusiastic in support of someone who at virtually every turn attempted to take their firearms and Second Amendment rights away. I have no issue with people who respect Inouye because of his military service, but I fail to see how that service gives him a “pass” on Second Amendment issues, or any other issues (see below) for that matter. I also fail to understand how, because of his 50 (FIFTY!) YEARS of Senate seniority and thus his years as number two and then chairmanship position on the Senate Appropriations Committee, his ability to disproportionately steer federal tax dollars to Hawaii is due respect. Thanks for all the ”pork” (aka “earmarks”)? Maybe, but “respect”? Personally, I'd rather see taxpayers everywhere get to keep more of their earned income rather than having (under threat of incarceration) to give so much of it to the federal government where Senators like Inouye used their seniority influence to take more than their fair share:

Hawaii ranks 2nd in pork-barrel spending

Hawaii ranks 2nd among states in attracting 2008 [essentially the same for other years] federal earmark projects, averaging $220.63 per resident on "pork-barrel spending."
The annual list put out by Citizens Against Government Waste highlights projects added to federal budget spending without congressional debate.
Alaska again topped the states in 2008 earmarks with $379 million in earmarks for a population of 683,478, or per-capita pork spending of $555.54.
Hawaii has earmarked $283 million.
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Leading this feeding frenzy at the trough are Senate Appropriations Committee Chairman Ted Stevens (R-Alaska) and the number two Democrat on the committee, Senate Appropriations committee member Daniel K. Inouye (D-Hawaii), whose states ranked first and second, respectively, in per capita pork for FY 2001. Sen. Stevens secured $480.3 million for Alaska ($766 per person) and Sen. Inouye secured $474.6 million for Hawaii ($392 per person) in the FY 2001 march to the pork barrel. Per capita pork for Alaska was 30 times the national average, while Hawaii raked in 15 times the per capita national average of $25.52.
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That's ethical or deserving of  “respect”? To me, it's corruption, influence peddling, and pure political power being wielded for power's sake. How would Hawaii citizens feel if their share of the pork was 1/30th or 1/15th that of the national average? I suppose that is what commentors here are fearing or complaining about with the new senators... they simply won't have the power/seniority to give Hawaii far more than it's fair share of federal tax dollars and Hawaii would have to develop some kind of real sustainable economy based upon viable government laws influencing business practices and regulations.

So besides stealing money from other states to bolster Hawaii's poorly managed and governed economy, what else did Inouye do for us?

Besides the list in my previous post of Inouye's anti-Second Amendment anti-gun legislation support, he also voted against a National Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act: 07/22/2009
Daniel Inouye voted Nay (Amendment Vote) - S Amdt 1618 - Authorizing Concealed Firearms Across State Lines
He also voted FOR the original “Assault Weapons Ban” of 1994-2004, and then voted again to extend the ban for another 10 years (which failed despite his efforts, or we'd still be laboring under that nonsense).
Here is a statement from Inouye re firearms:
“Our country needs a national gun law. We should limit the number and type of weapons an individual is allowed to own and they ought to be catalogued in a national database that every arms dealer has to check before making a sale. “ [“You don't need another rifle/handgun...one of each is enough... you don't need even ONE rifle like that...”]

If you like the “Affordable Care Act”, you can keep the “Affordable Care Act”, thanks in part to Inouye's votes for it.

How about being spied upon and surveilled by our government servants? How'd Inouye vote?

Voted YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps. (Feb 2011)
Voted NO on requiring FISA court warrant to monitor US-to-foreign calls. (Feb 2008)
Voted YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad. (Aug 2007)

How'd Inouye vote on border security/illegal immigration issues?

Voted YES on continuing federal funds for declared "sanctuary cities". (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted NO on limit welfare for immigrants. (Jun 1997)

How'd Inouye vote on justices nominated for the Supreme Court?

Voted YES on confirming of Sonia Sotomayor to Supreme Court. (Aug 2009)
Voted NO on confirming Samuel Alito as Supreme Court Justice. (Jan 2006)
Voted NO on confirming John Roberts for Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. (Sep 2005)
[Had Inouye been successful in blocking Alito and Roberts and replacing them with his preferred Sotomayor-types, we wouldn't be having any discussions about concealed carry based upon Heller, McDonald, etc.).

How “independent” was Inouye?
Voted with Democratic Party 96.9% of 293 votes. (Sep 2007)

I don't miss Inouye.

Funtimes

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2013, 12:58:16 PM »
One might have been a medal of honor recipient, but turning your back and voting at every turn for things that are staunchly against the constitution makes me lose lots of respect.  Additionally, I would think that a man who has experienced a world war, would have truly understood the necessity of an armed populace in defense of your country.
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Jl808

Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #15 on: December 26, 2013, 02:00:23 PM »
Good points, punaperson and Funtimes.  You've made me think about him differently.

Whenever I evaluate a person, I always think to put myself in their shoes and ask "what would I do / have done if I were in their position?"

I have no idea what life must have been like for the Japanese that got interned in WW2, enlisted in the military, and fought the Nazis in Europe. I think that generation showed a lot of guts (Caucasian, Japanese, etc) and I have tremendous respect for that.  Were it not for their hard fought battles, the world would be vastly different and Europe may have stayed a totalitarian / facist regime even up to now.  I give respect to those that have paid in blood sweat and tears.  Yes, they have "wrong" opinions and beliefs sometimes and often.

Whatever Inouye had become as a statesman, I don't offer any excuses and consider it for what it is.  He is a product of his generation, his history, his circumstance, his Hawaii / Japanese / American heritage and he rose up to the occasion when others didn't.  He became the alpha lion of the Hawaii Democratic party and everyone fell in line with him.  Those that didn't, got smacked.  A lot of those that got smacked hate his guts.  He had a tight control and a say in all things that happened in Hawaii and those that tried to oppose him could do nothing but fail.  He had really built an empire unto himself with hundreds if not thousands under his command.  Like he said so himself, he was the king of pork barrels, and with that amount of monies, influence over what got done or not on the islands.

All I can say is, it is a good thing that man does not live forever.  The Inouye era is over.  The old lion is dead and the young lions are vying for that new position.  Now it is up to our generation to rise to the occasion. I only hope that we can measure up living for our beliefs as he lived for his, or at least, hand this place better to the next generation than when we found it.
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ren

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #17 on: December 26, 2013, 03:55:57 PM »
I appreciate everyone's perspectives and mine is constantly evolving.
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Heavies

Re: Senator Daniel Inouye is surely missed...
« Reply #18 on: December 26, 2013, 04:51:28 PM »
I never personally voted for him.  I just respect that he had kept Hawaii alive while in power for the 1000 years he was in office.  I just hope a constitutional conservative that is a steadfast military supporter will step up and be elected, and soon, or Hawaii is done.   

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