active shooter colorado (Read 23747 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: active shooter colorado
« Reply #100 on: March 26, 2021, 11:45:20 AM »
Heres 1 excerpt

For the Colorado shooting suspect, the Ruger AR-556 pistol had another benefit: It made purchasing the weapon quick and easy. A rifle of its same size would have been subject to multiple layers of added scrutiny, including a background check that would have required several forms of ID and even fingerprinting. The suspect would have had to pay additional taxes and potentially wait months before the gun was registered.

An SBR requires a stock.  An AR pistol has a pistol-specific buffer tube -- no stock.  Pistol braces are still being debated, but are legal in most cases.

While an SBR might require more time to LEGALLY purchase than the non-NFA pistol version of an AR, if the AR pistol is banned/added to the NFA list, what's to stop anyone from buying an AR-15 sporting rifle, removing the barrel, and attaching a shorter one?  It's not very difficult at all.  And swapping the buffer tube for a pistol version is even easier.

The laws that ban or restrict sales of something can only affect the manufacturers and dealers.  The end users can do almost anything they want in spite of the law.

For every law the state or federal government enacts, there is someone out there willing and able to get around it.  In this instance, watching a YT video on swapping an AR15 barrel is all it really takes.  Buy a couple of tools, a buffer tube and a new barrel, and you'll soon be the proud the owner of an AR pistol.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: active shooter colorado
« Reply #101 on: March 26, 2021, 11:50:16 AM »
An SBR requires a stock.  An AR pistol has a pistol-specific buffer tube -- no stock.  Pistol braces are still being debated, but are legal in most cases.

While an SBR might require more time to LEGALLY purchase than the non-NFA pistol version of an AR, if the AR pistol is banned/added to the NFA list, what's to stop anyone from buying an AR-15 sporting rifle, removing the barrel, and attaching a shorter one?  It's not very difficult at all.  And swapping the buffer tube for a pistol version is even easier.

The laws that ban or restrict sales of something can only affect the manufacturers and dealers.  The end users can do almost anything they want in spite of the law.

For every law the state or federal government enacts, there is someone out there willing and able to get around it.  In this instance, watching a YT video on swapping an AR15 barrel is all it really takes.  Buy a couple of tools, a buffer tube and a new barrel, and you'll soon be the proud the owner of an AR pistol.

Wasn't there 1 law maker who cut her barrel of her AR to show she didn't need it anymore. Thus making it a SBR.  She posted a video of the process.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: active shooter colorado
« Reply #102 on: March 26, 2021, 12:29:25 PM »
Wasn't there 1 law maker who cut her barrel of her AR to show she didn't need it anymore. Thus making it a SBR.  She posted a video of the process.

I guess that's relevant, since it's quicker than installing a shorter barrel.  How many average people have a saw capable of cutting through hardened steel and chrome?

But, yes, there was a person (not sure if lawmaker) who videoed himself cutting a barrel to "destroy" his AR. 

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Internet viewers, however, were quick to point out that Pappalardo, far from
destroying the weapon, merely just shortened the weapon. Pappalardo cut
the barrel and gas tube, but the weapon could still be fired by pulling back
the bolt and releasing it. Even worse, the weapon’s barrel was now below
the 16-inch federal mandated barrel length for long guns. Technically, he
had just committed a felony under the federal National Firearms Act. NFA
violations carry penalties of up to 10 years in federal prison and fines of up
to $250,000.
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As The Firearm Blog points out, Pappalardo later posted another picture of
the rifle cut up into three pieces. Unfortunately, even in three pieces the weapon
was not considered destroyed to ATF specifications.

Furthermore, using a saw isn’t good enough no matter how you cut. A blowtorch
must be used to displace at least one quarter inch of material—in this case 6061
or 7075 aluminum—to discourage someone from reassembling it.

It’s quite likely Pappalardo’s cut receiver is still usable, if someone wanted to
weld it back together.

https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a18569641/well-meaning-gun-owner-accidentally-creates-illegal-firearm-in-viral-video/

Also, if you cut the barrel, you have to drill a new gas port in it, move the gas block there, and shorten the gas tube.  All that will "over charge" the gas system, which might require a heavier H2 or H3 buffer to slow down the cycle speed.

Still more work than merely cutting the barrel.
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The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Glasser

Re: active shooter colorado
« Reply #103 on: March 26, 2021, 07:02:05 PM »
Nice job FBI

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/26/boulder-gunman-passed-background-check-acquired-firearm-at-retail-outlet/

Alleged Boulder gunman Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa passed a background check for his AR-15 variant firearm and purchased it at retail.

In other words, he complied with the very gun control the left assures us will make our country safe.

Colorado already has universal background checks, and has had them since 2013. In other words, every gun sale in Colorado, retail or private, requires a background check to be performed.

This means the alleged Boulder attacker is only the latest of high profile shooter to acquire his gun by cooperating with the left’s go-to gun controls.

Gabby Giffords’ gun control group claims, “Universal background checks are essential to close deadly loopholes in our laws that allow millions of guns to end up in the hands of individuals at an elevated risk of committing violence each year.”

RSN172

Re: active shooter colorado
« Reply #104 on: March 26, 2021, 07:33:23 PM »
I would say this is as close to being a SBR without being one.
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Flapp_Jackson

Re: active shooter colorado
« Reply #105 on: March 26, 2021, 07:46:24 PM »
Sandy Hook Massacre:  December 14, 2012

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Five days after the murder of 20 children and six faculty members at Sandy Hook Elementary
School in Newtown, Conn., riled the nation, President Obama announced the formation of a
task force to provide immediate recommendations of how to reduce gun violence.

"This won't be some Washington commission" that takes six months to study the problem and
write a report that goes nowhere, he said. He insisted that he wants ready-to-act concrete
recommendations on the "complex issue" in January.

Vice President Joe Biden will lead the task force and he will be guided by cabinet members and
outside groups. Biden was a key author of a crime bill in 1994 that put more cops on the
streets and banned assault weapons. The assault weapons ban expired in 2004, and after
Newtown there are renewed calls to reinstate it.

Obama stated that if we can't get an Assault Weapons Ban passed after Sandy Hook, then there's no hope of ever passing one.

In other words, he could think of no other EMOTIONALLY CHARGED EVENT that might force Congress to bow to the anti-gun agenda.

I watched the Congressional hearings that included the NRA, Gifford's husband/Astronaut, several police chiefs, and other "gun violence experts."

The #1 issue they kept bringing up was mental illness.problem that never gets addressed and the holes in the NICS Background Check processes.

NICS had failed many times to prevent would-be prohibited gun buyers from making a purchase.  The primary issue identified was that states are not mandated to input their mental health information on patients into NICS nor did it establish any time limits to do it.  Most states that voluntarily reported that dat to NICS was on average 6 to 12 months or more backlogged.  All the other states simply did not pass that info onto the feds.

People who think some database can solve all problems (we have one here) are totally naive and unaware how data works.  Garbage in -- garbage out.  Nothing in -- nothing out.  It's not hard to predict how ineffective the process will be under government control.

There are more people denied a gun purchase based on a false positive than there are actual prohibited buyers attempting to get a gun and being denied.  That's because the people being being denied who should be are playing dumb -- hoping they can squeak by the system.  The vast majority of people who know they are prohibited don't try, because they know it's a crime to lie on the ATF4473.

Anyway, NICS has had problems for a long time.  There's even a "FixNICS" project that's been around awhile attempting to correct some of the problems.

Now, states are expecting to have NICS run background checks on private sales.  Nevada learned after they passed Universal BG Checks that the FBI refuses to do that.  They don't have a legal mandate to do that, nor can they provide the resources necessary to take on such a massive increase in transfer background investigations.  Until Congress changes the law and the FBI gets more funding, states that want private party background checks done will have to do it themselves.  Nevada voters were told UBC would cost taxpayers nothing.  When they found out they didn't know what they were talking about, the lawmakers went back to voters to ask for tax funding to run the new state system.  The voters turned it down.

Inept and ignorant politicians think they can pass laws, and "SOMEBODY" will take care of the details.  It gets old.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Flapp_Jackson

Re: active shooter colorado
« Reply #106 on: March 26, 2021, 07:47:22 PM »
I would say this is as close to being a SBR without being one.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw