HONOLULU FINEST (Read 9776 times)

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #20 on: December 19, 2019, 03:08:18 PM »
"Homeless Outreach Specialists?"   As opposed to "Outreach Specialists for the Homeless?"  :rofl:

There's validity in trying to make your department, at least for the street Cops, mirror the demographics of the population.  Relating to the public is important for crime prevention and conflict resolution.

Unfortunately, the lawyers have a huge say in how Cops must conduct themselves.  It often leaves much to be desired.  How would you like it if everything you did at work had the potential to land you in front of a review board or judge because an "upstanding member of the public" decided to file a slew of complaints with no real basis in the truth?

The bodycams not only keep Cops more in check, but they also protect them from false allegations of sexual misconduct, excessive force and other lies.  If the Cop reads you your rights, and you swear he didn't, the video should resolve that kind of accusation pretty fairly.

I really get tired of seeing people bash "the Cops" when we all know it not every single Cop that's the problem. 

Name one government organization that's been 100% scandal-free, and I'll concede the point.  Until then, pretending the police department is represented in total by the few who make the news is lazy and dishonest.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

changemyoil66

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2019, 03:58:34 PM »
Ya we all know they just take anyone off the street and make them police officers! Dont they do screenings to weed out these kind of people don’t they have training to know when to shoot or make them lick shit! because this is a regular job for regular people right?
Maybe like the stanford prison experiment. It changes a good person into a bad one.

Even had 1 ex-con on the parole board and he was the strictest one.

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Glasser

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2019, 07:02:50 AM »
  If the Cop reads you your rights, and you swear he didn't, the video should resolve that kind of accusation pretty fairly.



This is a TV myth, Police are not required to give you a Miranda warning upon your arrest, ONLY if they are going to interrogate you after your arrest. And they can ask you all the questions they want PRIOR to arresting you without giving you that warning. If you have done something that might potentially get you arrested ALWAYS STFU before and after.

Kuleana

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2019, 08:59:09 AM »
This is a TV myth, Police are not required to give you a Miranda warning upon your arrest, ONLY if they are going to interrogate you after your arrest. And they can ask you all the questions they want PRIOR to arresting you without giving you that warning. If you have done something that might potentially get you arrested ALWAYS STFU before and after.



You need to remember that there are fascist goons on this forum who will only concede to the infallibility of law enforcement only after they are legally prosecuted AND explicitly brought to their attention.  They care nothing for the abuses of law enforcement that do go reported, but get no media coverage or those accounts that do not get reported at all.

ren

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2019, 09:13:11 AM »

You need to remember that there are fascist goons on this forum who will only concede to the infallibility of law enforcement only after they are legally prosecuted AND explicitly brought to their attention.  They care nothing for the abuses of law enforcement that do go reported, but get no media coverage or those accounts that do not get reported at all.

So if you were given the opportunity to rewrite the use of force policy what would you change?
Have you ever gone to the Police Commission with your concerns?
Deeds Not Words

Kuleana

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2019, 10:02:44 AM »
So if you were given the opportunity to rewrite the use of force policy what would you change?

One of things they could implement is more force on force situational training that gauges each beat officer on the propensity of using their lethal and non-lethal weapons.  Based on their performance, specific classes that tries to improve their decision making cycle with the goal of ensuring that public that law enforcement officers will employ all their non firearms means first (e.g., passive and aggressive verbal deescalation, hand-to-hand combat, tasers, batons, etc.) and only use their firearms as a last resort in any given situation.



Have you ever gone to the Police Commission with your concerns?

Talking to them is like trying trying to convince City Hall of the pitfalls of Rail.

ren

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2019, 10:18:26 AM »
Dont know why you keep writing your response in my quote but what you describe is already taught to recruits. Theres some videos in Youtube that show what recruits go through.
If talking to the commission is worthless you can talk to your reps and then Mayors office.
Better solution than calling us fascist goons.
Deeds Not Words

groveler

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2019, 10:25:03 AM »
So if you were given the opportunity to rewrite the use of force policy what would you change?
Have you ever gone to the Police Commission with your concerns?
I deal with a different Police commission. I have testified before them.
For once I agree with Kuleana,  Talking to the police commission is
a phenomenal waste of time.
As as rule,  I don't talk to cops, unless absolutely necessary.
My response to any question is,
either no answer or to say,
"am I being detained?".
"am I free to go?".
If a cop is asking you questions you need a lawyer.
One last thing, do not lie to a cop.  Before you lie to a cop,
don't say anything.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2019, 11:32:50 AM »
This is a TV myth, Police are not required to give you a Miranda warning upon your arrest, ONLY if they are going to interrogate you after your arrest[/b]. And they can ask you all the questions they want PRIOR to arresting you without giving you that warning. If you have done something that might potentially get you arrested ALWAYS STFU before and after.

While that is a valid point on it's face, the law states any evidence you give against yourself once you are detained is inadmissible unless you've been Mirandized. 

The Supreme Court didn't say the suspect had to be placed under arrest.  They said:

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The requirement to give Miranda warnings came from the Supreme Court decision, Miranda v. Arizona, 384 US 436 (1966).
In Miranda, the Court held that a defendant cannot be questioned by police in the context of a custodial interrogation until
the defendant is made aware of the right to remain silent, the right to consult with an attorney and have the attorney present
during questioning, and the right to have an attorney appointed if indigent.

Custodial interrogation does not require there to be an official arrest.  If they have you cuffed and detained at the scene or in transit, and they get you to admit your crime before reading you your rights, they violated the SCOTUS ruling.

Now, if you're stupid and admit the crime without being questioned, that's your fault, and your statement may be used.  Normally they'll get you to repeat the admission after they read you your rights, just to make it official. 
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

eyeeatingfish

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2019, 07:47:04 PM »
I am surprised that the fascist goons that defend all the despicable acts by law enforcement on this forum have not attacked your post yet.

Who defended such acts?

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2019, 08:26:37 PM »
Who defended such acts?

Obviously it was "fascist goons" that defend "all the despicable acts by law enforcement."

Not some, but ALL despicable acts.


The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

tim808

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #31 on: December 22, 2019, 09:54:07 AM »
I think every place is going to have some bad apples.

Yes, having power could make you cocky/corrupt

Put the 2 together and bad things can happen.  I assume hpd knows that “power corrupts” and tries to have classes regarding their role to “serve and protect”

(I don’t know any one that works at hpd)

changemyoil66

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #32 on: December 23, 2019, 09:36:53 AM »
There's a difference between an interview and an interrogation. 

Flapp_Jackson

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #33 on: December 23, 2019, 10:42:07 AM »
There's a difference between an interview and an interrogation.

Perhaps in procedure, but not in objective. 

The objective is to obtain a sworn statement that can be used to further an investigation.  Whether the interviewee is a suspect or a potential witness, the Cops are looking for new facts or inconsistencies.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

Platinum808

Re: HONOLULU FINEST
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2020, 01:05:16 PM »
Oh ignorant youth, the world is not a joyous place. The time has come for you to dispense with the frivolous pleasures of childhood and get down to honest toil until you are sixty-five. Then and only then can you relax and collect your social security and live happily until the time of your death!

-Hunter S. Thompson