I remember there was this docudrama (i.e., not really sure how much fiction/fact) called REMINGTON UNDER FIRE.

Now, there was a particular trigger that they talked about, and I think Remington then changed to another trigger.

So, questions:

1) what is that trigger thing called?

2) is the old one better or the new one better? Why?

3) is the Remington 700 the no-brainer gun to get if you want bolt action in .223 or .308, or are more expensive guns WAY better shooters?

Thanks.

PS - I am currently considering Tikka T3 or Remington 700, for .223 bolt (and possibly .308 as well)

I researched a bunch on this. All came down to the weapon not properly maintained

Problem is fixed with remington. Just don't adjust the internal trigger screws as it may result in a slam fire. If you want a light trigger put in a aftermarket trigger.  Tikka or remington are good rifles... Good luck

I researched a bunch on this. All came down to the weapon not properly maintained

I agree with you, so actually I am not saying whether or not that trigger really has a problem.

I just want to know if the old trigger shoots better. That is, the "unsafe" version of it. And whether or not the new "safer" trigger is "safer" but gives equal or even better shooting, OR does it make the shooting worse?

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Like anything, the higher price tag means higher quality materials and/or more detailed work on the design/mechanics, but doesn't necessarily mean that a $100,000 gun functions any better than a $700 one; I.e. the titanium AR vs a standard one.

That being said, I have not really heard anything bad about the 700. The M24 is just a modified/improved 700. There definitely may be something better with a higher price tag, but if you want something that's pretty damn good out of the box, you really can't beat a 700 for the price.

Kinda what I figured. But I want to check more before I finalize the decision. I always try to BUY NICE BUY ONCE (when budget allows).

I've heard great reviews of the rugar American rifles. Lots of guys seem to like them and available in a variety of calibers

I agree with you, so actually I am not saying whether or not that trigger really has a problem.

I just want to know if the old trigger shoots better. That is, the "unsafe" version of it. And whether or not the new "safer" trigger is "safer" but gives equal or even better shooting, OR does it make the shooting worse?

Older trigger shoot better............are you asking if the trigger break was better than the stock trigger now? 

Older trigger shoot better............are you asking if the trigger break was better than the stock trigger now?

Yes I guess that is what I am asking. I am not too familiar with bolt actions just yet.

To be honest, the # of models of the 700 are frickin' overwhelming.

I tried going to the Remmy site and maybe finding one or two models to post here to discuss with you guys but it's just nuts.

And then I also was referred by the site to go to yet another site, the 700 network, for even MORE confusing information.

Sheesh!

At this stage I honestly do not even know what model 700 to ask my LGS's about. I am sure they are going to suggest to me whatever 700s they have on stock, which is not how I want the purchase discussion started.

^^^If you are talking a competition rifle, then I think you want to dump the trigger.

If you are talking every day shooting and hunting, then IMHO the stock trigger is fine in fact it's pretty good.

ok thanks

I think a good place to start is figuring out what you want to use the gun for.

learning long range accuracy right now and later also be able to use for hunting.

And last over decades.

Its easy to clean up the new Rem triggers.  Going below 1.5lbs is just nuts. Learn finger control!!! LOL

learning long range accuracy right now and later also be able to use for hunting.

And last over decades.

What do you mean by "long range?" 500 yds, 800 yds, 1,000 yds? 

When you are talking accurate, how accurate?

Not to throw stuff in here, but out of the box it's going to be a pretty good gun.  If you want to chase 1/4 - 1/2 moa you are talking some serious $$$. 

Also if you intend on taking the rifle in the field I would suggest not using a low weight competition type trigger.

OK. 500 yards.

By the way. 223 caliber.

^^^I'm really thinking you can just go stock. 

Ya I am getting that too. Thanks.

Before I purchased my 700 I thought I would replace the trigger at some point since it seemed like everybody who builds a precision rifle does. When I got the rifle I thought the factory trigger felt pretty good compared to other guns I have shot, mostly being .22

Then as I started shooting the rifle i found the recoil was really throwing me off. We're talking a 300WM here so what your looking at wont be a problem. Once I tamed the recoil enough that I no longer had a tendency to flinch I found that the stock trigger just was not to my liking anymore. I would get on target and slowly apply more pressure to the trigger and it seemed like by the time it finally broke I was applying quite a bit of force. I don't know what it measured on a trigger pull scale as I dont have one.

Long story short I ordered a timney pre-set to 1.5 lbs and what a difference. Wont be looking back on this one!

Thanks for input