The 4 Rules.

You should be able to pop quiz anyone at any range with the 4 rules.
If they can't answer, they're kicked off.

Hell my 8 year old could tell you and follow the 4 Rules ( He's 10 now, she's 13 now )

With one added ( although redundant ), as many people seem to forget,.....
Don't sweep the muzzle !

People often compare driver's licenses to firearm ownership.  Aside from the privilege/right debate, it's noteworthy that there is no licensing, insurance, etc required to own a car.  Those requirements only exist if you wish to operate your car on public roadways.  If you're only going to use the vehicle on your own property, you don't need a license, registration, insurance, or anything else.  So to answer OP's question, sure, I'm down with having training requirements for a gun license, but only if that license authorizes me to carry my gun in public, and only if it's shall-issue.  Any licensing or training requirement for the simple act of owning a firearm is straight-up BS, and unConstitutional, regardless of what the old folks in black dresses on the Supreme Court have to say on the matter. 

Like anything else, some training is necessary in order to operate something...learning the basics is a good start, and then with practice one can get good at it.

People often compare driver's licenses to firearm ownership.  Aside from the privilege/right debate, it's noteworthy that there is no licensing, insurance, etc required to own a car.  Those requirements only exist if you wish to operate your car on public roadways.  If you're only going to use the vehicle on your own property, you don't need a license, registration, insurance, or anything else.  So to answer OP's question, sure, I'm down with having training requirements for a gun license, but only if that license authorizes me to carry my gun in public, and only if it's shall-issue.  Any licensing or training requirement for the simple act of owning a firearm is straight-up BS, and unConstitutional, regardless of what the old folks in black dresses on the Supreme Court have to say on the matter. 

I agree with this.  Just if, that the licensing is not  ridiculously priced and qualification unreasonably difficult, I'd be down for that.  Just look. They give a drivers license to damn near any joker that can move their foot and turn the wheel.  And cars are orders of magnitude more dangerous than a trained responsible citizen with a loaded carry gun. 

Take a look the dumbest things you seen at the range thread. How come there are incidents like those if they were properly trained by the owner? Did the owner forget a few safety rules? Was the owner not watching out? Did the owner even give safety lessons? What if the owner has an ainokea attitude? Should the person firing the gun have no safety training at all since it's legal? People are assuming that all owners are responsible.

Not assuming anything at all. Dumb things at the range,  yes, seen it many times.  That is why if i do see something, I say something. I don't cuss em out, unless they are flagging me bad, I just politely remind them on the rules.  Most cases no problem.. and I'd hope someone would do the same for me if I do something stupid.   I feel like I should be helpful and correct people so that thry can be safe and responsible.  They might be new and not know better.  If every one helped each other out in this way, I bet there would be less 'dumb' things occuring. 

Also, IMHO, I think if we don't start doing this, with the major increases of new firearms owners, we are bound to see a major accident happen there. And that would NOT be a good thing if we want to see Kokohead sticking around for the future.   

Take a look the dumbest things you seen at the range thread. How come there are incidents like those if they were properly trained by the owner? Did the owner forget a few safety rules? Was the owner not watching out? Did the owner even give safety lessons? What if the owner has an ainokea attitude? Should the person firing the gun have no safety training at all since it's legal? People are assuming that all owners are responsible.

Because human beings are dangerous idiots.  Do you really think a government mandate will fix that?  The government teaches our kids how to safely use their private parts, and teen pregnancy becomes an epidemic.  The government mandates and provides free training in reading, writing, and 'rithmetic--yet the next generation are functionally illiterate morons.  Read Trayvon Martin's text logs if you don't believe me.  And math?  Forget advanced math, most kids I see are absolutely flabbergasted if the total at McDonald's comes out to $4.03 and you hand them a five dollar bill and three pennies.  I can't tell you how many times I've had someone almost refuse to take the pennies because they can't get past the fact that the fiver is enough to cover it already. 

The point is, the government is not (or should not be) allowed to place road blocks on the exercise of a human right, and even if they did, I submit to you that they would probably make the problem worse.  Remember when King Barry was going to get everyone cheap health insurance? 

Take a look the dumbest things you seen at the range thread. How come there are incidents like those if they were properly trained by the owner? Did the owner forget a few safety rules? Was the owner not watching out? Did the owner even give safety lessons? What if the owner has an ainokea attitude? Should the person firing the gun have no safety training at all since it's legal? People are assuming that all owners are responsible.

What's kind of funny is that hunter ed qualifies; if the "purpose" is to make sure people know how to use guns, I don't see why it would.

I will counter as to why shouldn't we charge people with a fee to express their opinion?  Also who determines if the opinion should be released?  Finally who certifies that you are able to voice your opinion?  Keep in mind that the Second Amendment isn't just about firearms ownership it's about providing a way to fight back against the Government should it stop working for its people.

In the spirit of arguing, people are actually charged a fee to express their opinions; most of them require and get least 8-12 years of training to express that opinion, they are certified by many agencies, both state and local in doing so.   Think about it!

Because the ability to defend yourself, and your friends and community, is so integral and vital to a state of freedom, you will find that anything that compromises that ability, is strictly speaking, going against liberty.

That is not an opinion, it is simply sheer logic, and would be the basis upon which to compare measures that restrict that freedom.

And in a sense, the less there is of liberty, the less there is of humanity.

To give another example, just to illustrate, it is possible for humans to kill each other by biting each others' throats and ripping eyeballs out with fingers, etc. or even just punching and kicking each other with hands and feet. A large man can kill a child with a kick (i.e., "natural weapons").

I am not being facetious, but using these examples to highlight what we are talking about really.

............Hell my 8 year old could tell you and follow the 4 Rules ( He's 10 now, she's 13 now ) ...............

The 4 rules?


1. Mommy and Daddy are always rigt.
2. Do what Mommy and Daddy tell you.
3. Don't eat rocks and dirt.
4. If you know what's good for you don't come into Mommy & Daddy's room when the door is closed because you will regret it for the rest of your life.

In the spirit of arguing, people are actually charged a fee to express their opinions; most of them require and get least 8-12 years of training to express that opinion, they are certified by many agencies, both state and local in doing so.   Think about it!

You can express your opinion once you hit 18, but you can only express your opinion on certain matters if you are 21 years old.

The 4 rules?

1. Mommy and Daddy are always rigt.
2. Do what Mommy and Daddy tell you.
3. Don't eat rocks and dirt.
4. If you know what's good for you don't come into Mommy & Daddy's room when the door is closed because you will regret it for the rest of your life.

Damnit ! I shoulda taught them those 4 rules.
If they followed those 4 rules like they follow the 4 rules of handling a firearm, life would much easier. 

The 4 rules?


1. Mommy and Daddy are always rigt.
2. Do what Mommy and Daddy tell you.
3. Don't eat rocks and dirt.
4. If you know what's good for you don't come into Mommy & Daddy's room when the door is closed because you will regret it for the rest of your life.
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 :thumbsup:good one!

this thread made me think of this....

In the spirit of arguing, people are actually charged a fee to express their opinions; most of them require and get least 8-12 years of training to express that opinion, they are certified by many agencies, both state and local in doing so.   Think about it!

Education makes the exercise of your free speech rights more effective, but is not a prerequisite for having or expressing them.  Children as young as five can and do hold signs at rallies and protests, with no background check, no education, no nothing.  I'll go you one better, though: if you want everyone to be safer with firearms, don't start enacting requirements that people go out and spend their own time and money to get trained--start (or more correctly resume) teaching firearm safety and marksmanship as part of the public school curriculum.