I want to reload (Read 19811 times)

BLKDRGN

I want to reload
« on: August 28, 2013, 06:09:04 PM »
I am totally a noob on reloading. In fact I only did about 5 minutes research. I want one that is really good and capable of doing lot's of different calibers. I really don't want to have multiple machines if possible. I looked up Dillon and saw the XL650 model. Is that one of the best out there? How come it's not motorized and I got to do manual work? lol

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Re: I want to reload
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2013, 06:12:22 PM »
Start with something simpler to get the process down.

Find a buddy who reloads or ask one the old guys to help you.
They have discussed helping people before.
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808gmac

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2013, 06:27:42 PM »
Most press do different calibers, you just gotta change the die sets.   The dillon is a good progressive reloader...i would start with single stage press for rifle loads

rbrn shooter

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2013, 06:36:49 PM »

BLKDRGN

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2013, 07:53:00 PM »
I've been hearing that all noobs should get a single stage. Why is that? Is it because we are not capable of learning progressive from the beginning? Is it really that complicated that we have to go single stage first? Only reason why I ask is I don't want to buy a single and then when I get the hang of things after a couple weeks I have to now buy progressive. Is progressive really only for cranking out lots of rounds really fast? I just want something simple but fast. If it was automated it would be even better as in press button and walk away. Does that not exist?
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AKfortyseven

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2013, 08:16:10 PM »
ive been using the lee 4 hole turret for years.
the single stage takes way too long.

JHanawahine

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2013, 08:18:41 PM »
go to wgs check out the turret they got setup.ask for them to show you the run down on it.joe ran it thru its paces for me real quick when i was looking for a press.might be what you want,might not but alteast you can see it up close

Bcspy

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2013, 08:20:22 PM »
One day come to my house and I show you my setup.  I'm still new at reloading.  Lots of reading, researching, and trial and error. Ask questions.  I have Dillon 650 for rifle is super fast.  I like it alot for deprime, crank and go.  Prep rifle is a pain.    I also have Dillon 550B for only pistol load.  Love it, turn turret back and forth. I tend to be more aware of what i'm doing and take my time.  I also got a mec for shotgun. I got Dillon tumbler, its good but next time I would go and do wet tumbler.  I learn from single RCBS Rock Chucker and takes alot of time.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2013, 08:30:12 PM by Bcspy »

Dolomite

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2013, 08:22:46 PM »
single stage is more precise for rifle reloading. you can measure every powder drop and bullet seating for consistency.  you will be able to load round after round exactly the same. more for precision type shooting.

if you just want to load up ammo in bulk go with the progressive... powder drop and bullet seating may vary very slightly from round to round. handgun rounds do not have to be consistent from round to round.

Dolomite

I want to reload
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2013, 08:25:35 PM »

Find a buddy who reloads or ask one the old guys to help you.


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BLKDRGN

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2013, 08:29:49 PM »
I just asked my friend and he has the Dillion XL 650. Would it be a problem for me to learn from him and skip the single stage?

Edit: He also said he has a single stage for his rifles where he needs more accuracy.
« Last Edit: August 28, 2013, 08:40:21 PM by BLKDRGN »
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Bcspy

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2013, 08:31:36 PM »
That's what I did, but will cost you alot more than a single press.

BLKDRGN

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2013, 08:42:12 PM »
OK for single stage I heard Lee is really good. Is the breach lock Classic Cast model the one to get?

http://leeprecision.com/breech-lock-classic-cast.html
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Mr. Farknocker

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #13 on: August 28, 2013, 10:26:57 PM »
That's the one i started off with. Totally satisfied.

OldMose

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2013, 12:45:39 AM »
I've been hearing that all noobs should get a single stage. Why is that? Is it because we are not capable of learning progressive from the beginning? Is it really that complicated that we have to go single stage first? Only reason why I ask is I don't want to buy a single and then when I get the hang of things after a couple weeks I have to now buy progressive. Is progressive really only for cranking out lots of rounds really fast? I just want something simple but fast. If it was automated it would be even better as in press button and walk away. Does that not exist?

Reloading isn't complicated.  I believe you can start out with a progressive press and load a lot of good ammo;  go for it.     Having a single stage press for pistol rounds is a good idea also.    You can experiment with different loads, bullet heads and whatever in small batches.     You won't have to be readjusting  the progressive press until you've found the magic load using the old rockchucker.   

Haoleb

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2013, 07:43:57 AM »
I am sort of in the same boat as you, I am going to get into reloading. Trying to decide what type of press I want to get.. etc. I am also considering the Dillon 650, it seems like a great press but if you are just starting out maybe overkill. Personally I would rather pony up the money and just fast forward to what I would eventually want the first time around.

The press is not the only thing you will need though. You'll need a set of good calipers, media tumbler, powder measure, scale,...among many other little tools and accessories. 

I think the best place to start is buy yourself a couple reloading handbooks. You're going to need them anyway. Read through them to learn the steps. what equipment you'll need etc. I have been working my way though the Lyman reloading handbook, 49th edition and it does contain alot of good information. Just the first 100 or so pages is about reloading, then the rest of it is reloading data for different calibers.

Everything you'll read says start with a single stage. Since there is less going on at once you will become familiar with the steps and hopefully won't blow something up or hurt yourself in the process. And once you decide to upgrade  the single stage will still come in handy for those precision loads. I was talking with a friend the other day who is heavy into reloading and he did tell me just skip a single stage and get a good progressive to start with.

There are plenty of brands out there too, some better than others.

RCBS
Dillon
Redding
Hornady
Lee
Lyman

808gmac

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2013, 09:25:40 AM »
single stage is more precise for rifle reloading. you can measure every powder drop and bullet seating for consistency.  you will be able to load round after round exactly the same. more for precision type shooting.

if you just want to load up ammo in bulk go with the progressive... powder drop and bullet seating may vary very slightly from round to round. handgun rounds do not have to be consistent from round to round.

+1 :thumbsup:

oldfart

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #17 on: August 29, 2013, 09:35:17 AM »
I've been hearing that all noobs should get a single stage. Why is that? Is it because we are not capable of learning progressive from the beginning? Is it really that complicated that we have to go single stage first? Only reason why I ask is I don't want to buy a single and then when I get the hang of things after a couple weeks I have to now buy progressive. Is progressive really only for cranking out lots of rounds really fast? I just want something simple but fast. If it was automated it would be even better as in press button and walk away. Does that not exist?
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You have many questions so I will dissect your message and post my reply in caps so it will be easier to see.

I've been hearing that all noobs should get a single stage. Why is that?
IT'S EASIER TO LEARN AND YOU WILL FIND THAT CERTAIN OPERATIONS ARE EASIER ON A SINGLE
 Is it because we are not capable of learning progressive from the beginning?
NOBODY KNOWS WHAT YOU ARE CAPABLE OF LEARNING
 Is it really that complicated that we have to go single stage first?
IT CAN GET COMPLICATED REAL FAST
Only reason why I ask is I don't want to buy a single and then when I get the hang of things after a couple weeks I have to now buy progressive.
Is progressive really only for cranking out lots of rounds really fast?
YES IT IS FOR MAKING AMMO FAST.
BUT LET ME SAY THIS, I HAVE BEEN RELOADING FOR APPROX. 34 YEARS AND I STILL DO NOT "HAVE THE HANG OF THINGS".
I ALWAYS LEARN SOMETHING NEW ABOUT THIS HOBBY.
I just want something simple but fast. If it was automated it would be even better as in press button and walk away. Does that not exist?
NO SUCH THING AS A SIMPLE FAST AUTOMATED RELOADING MACHINE
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808gmac

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #18 on: August 29, 2013, 09:39:36 AM »
Read lots of reloading books/manual...pay serious attention to the warnings and safety cautions....do not double charge, or go over the max recommended load, start at the minimum or middle of the recommended load (and test it on your gun), watch for signs of pressure when test firing your loads (stop, if there are signs of pressure, ie.really flattened primers, punctured primers, blown cases, etc), do not mix powders, concentrate (do not get distracted), do it slow and cautious at first, double check, check powder level occasionally, pistol powder is for pistol loads, and rifle powder is for rifle loads (there are exceptions, but that's advance level), somebody else's load might not work on your gun,.... be safe

Bcspy

Re: I want to reload
« Reply #19 on: August 29, 2013, 10:07:06 AM »
When I first started.  I asked a lot of questions and still do.  Each weapon system is different.  I have not found the magic around round yet.  Its either not enough powder to recycle properly or over all length to long.  Just trial and error.  I always want the best of things and decided  that if I wanted a single press I would get a RCBS Rock Chucker.  Second would be Dillon 550B, Third would be Redding T7.  Then if money is not a problem get a Dillon 650 with case feeder. Buy several books.  I would get  wet tumbler with stainless steel pins.  My friends brass is super clean and shine with wet system compare to my walnut media.  Get top rated scale. Case trimmer for rifle brass.  I got the Giraud Power Case trimmer for bulk.  If small amount case trimming I picked up the CTS on a portable drill.  Or get a Sinclair Case Stainless steel trimmer.   Get case gauge for insurance. I thought I was going to save money but its adding up.  Its like buying a rifle and adding a ninja system to it.  Dillon 650 case feeder with add accessories, dies, several calibers change, will cost at around $1000.  That's just the beginning.   More you shoot, more needed brass, more powder, more primer, more bullet head, more time, and more money.  Its a hobby by itself.