What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support. (Read 37976 times)

eyeeatingfish

I am curious to hear viewpoints from people on this forum about just how much or how little background checks and firearm restrictions should be in place.
Some want guns pretty much completely banned, but probably not anyone here.
Some want guns to be completely unregulated so anyone can buy them without question.
Where do you stand?



I will also describe my stance even though I am not fully decided on some issues.

I think outlawing full auto is reasonable
I think preventing felons form owning firearms is reasonable
I think preventing someone from certain diagnosed mental disorders is reasonable
I think background checks are reasonable (otherwise it would be impossible to screen for felons and mentally unstable people)
I think outlawing explosives is reasonable.
I am against magazine capacity limit laws.
I am undecided on whether the registration of firearms are reasonable.
I am for concealed carry only after meeting certain requirements
  A person has taken a CC training class which would include firearm training and legal training
  A person has to obtain a permit to CC a firearm (maybe even to include the specific firearm allowed to carry on it)
  A person cannot carry a CC firearm while they are intoxicated

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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2013, 11:43:09 AM »
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robtmc

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2013, 12:02:11 PM »
I will also describe my stance even though I am not fully decided on some issues.

I think outlawing full auto is reasonable
NO Absolutely no rationale for this.  Besides, who has the $$ to go out and shoot full auto anyway?

I think preventing felons form owning firearms is reasonable 
Qualified "Maybe"  I think this is too broad a brush.  Depends on the Felony, some are just BS, some are serious crimes.  Too arbitrary.

I think preventing someone from certain diagnosed mental disorders is reasonable
NO Without knowing what "certain" means and who decides?

I think background checks are reasonable (otherwise it would be impossible to screen for felons and mentally unstable people) 
Maybe, with very strict controls on time limits for checks.

I think outlawing explosives is reasonable.
NO Why?  I am trained with them, though I have no real use for them, but I might some day.

I am against magazine capacity limit laws.
No brainer

I am undecided on whether the registration of firearms are reasonable.
NO For the classical government reasons...........

I am for concealed carry only after meeting certain requirements

  A person has taken a CC training class which would include firearm training and legal training
OK

  A person has to obtain a permit to CC a firearm (maybe even to include the specific firearm allowed to carry on it)
Why?

  A person cannot carry a CC firearm while they are intoxicated
"Now, that will upset the badgelickers that see drunk cops carrying as just peachy keen."
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2013, 12:33:37 PM »
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macsak

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2013, 12:58:28 PM »
I think outlawing full auto is reasonable
I think preventing felons form owning firearms is reasonable
I think preventing someone from certain diagnosed mental disorders is reasonable
I think background checks are reasonable
I think outlawing explosives is reasonable
I am against magazine capacity limit laws
I think the registration of firearms is reasonable.
I am for concealed carry only after meeting certain requirements
  A person has taken a CC training class which would include firearm training and legal training
  A person has to obtain a permit to CC a firearm
  A person responsible enough to CC a firearm should be responsible enough to know when and where they should be carrying

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Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2013, 08:15:28 PM »
I double Q's answers.
no
yes
depends on disorder
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no mag limits
no registration
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Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2013, 08:16:32 PM »
Add once I pass, I buy and bring anything into state.

OldFaithful

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2013, 09:19:37 PM »
I am curious to hear viewpoints from people on this forum about just how much or how little background checks and firearm restrictions should be in place.
Some want guns pretty much completely banned, but probably not anyone here.
Some want guns to be completely unregulated so anyone can buy them without question.
Where do you stand?



I will also describe my stance even though I am not fully decided on some issues.

I think outlawing full auto is reasonable
Why?  Why can I have a semi auto but not full auto?

I think preventing felons form owning firearms is reasonable
Sure, but forever, idk

I think preventing someone from certain diagnosed mental disorders is reasonable
Okay, but who says what disorders qualify?

I think background checks are reasonable (otherwise it would be impossible to screen for felons and mentally unstable people)
Yes

I think outlawing explosives is reasonable.
Destructive devices, okay

I am against magazine capacity limit laws.
Yes

I am undecided on whether the registration of firearms are reasonable.
No.  Registration leads to confiscation.  Not anyone's business what I own.

I am for concealed carry only after meeting certain requirements
  A person has taken a CC training class which would include firearm training and legal training So, so, should you need to prove anything to exercise a right?
  A person has to obtain a permit to CC a firearm (maybe even to include the specific firearm allowed to carry on it) Premit, yes, but not to specific firearm, what if I wanna change my carry gun?
  A person cannot carry a CC firearm while they are intoxicated  Over the legal limit?  Yes

hvybarrels

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2013, 12:22:55 AM »
After living in areas of high crime and actually being shot at in a drive-by I'm still on the fence on some of the issues. Gun registration seems like a terrible given the current totalitarian direction our government is headed but but it does discourage people from selling to criminals and dumb-asses.

 People convicted of felonies can turn their lives around, but in my experience those convicted of violent crimes probably don't need the temptation.

There are so many different kinds of mental disorders out there that it would be ridiculous to go down a yes or no list and it's better left to individual review. If some people want to take themselves out of the gene pool in a manner that's quick and painless (if done properly) then who am I to tell them to risk agony/embarrassment by swinging from a rope, jumping off a cliff, popping pills or sucking on an exhaust pipe?

Explosives are fine if you need to take out a tree stump but have no business in an urban setting, high cap mags don't figure into crime statistics well enough to consider them a serious threat, and it would be nice to have people take a CC class to make sure they aren't more dangerous than an active shooter.

Select fire is where I'm very firm in my belief. The NRA really screwed the pooch when they caved on that one. It opened the door to banning weapons based on certain features rather than destructive capability, and in some ways it was good for them because now they have lots of money pouring in from frightened citizens every few years when the gun grabbers make it an issue again.
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eyeeatingfish

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2013, 08:29:19 AM »
Everyone seems hesitant on the mental disorder issue and with good reason, it could potentially be used to deny most people firearms if to widely interpreted. I would be for very limited restrictions if someone had a serious mental disorder that was often associated with violence.
In light of the recent shootings people are up in arms about why these people with mental disorders were able to get guns to go kill people. Now if the gun community goes out and says we should not have any background checks and anyone should be able to purchase a firearm then that would include crazy people who want to go on a rampage. But on the other hand can you deny someone a right just because they have a dangerous diagnosed mental disorder even if they have done nothing wrong and show no signs of doing anything wrong? I am not a psychologist so I don't know exactly which disorders or combination of disorders I would want to draw the line at but I think a line does need to be drawn. I realize it would be hard to enforce though but a line should be drawn in my opinion.


As for silencers.... undecided.

We also have to have ID to vote. There are some reasonable limits to constitutional rights. (Yelling fire in a crowded place)

FATMANWA

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2013, 11:43:33 AM »
I am for background checks, but they should not take more than a day.
I am against waiting periods for guns.
I am for Concealed Carry in any location, unless drinking.
I am against magazine limits.
I think an ordinary citizen should be able to own any rifle or handgun that the military/police use (full auto or not).
Explosives I am not to sure about, but think they need training at least
Training should be a requirement to purchase guns, but no extra training for CC. A responsible adult should want training.
Mentaly ill should not have guns, but a one time diagnosis should not be permenant.


hnl.flyboy

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2013, 12:31:42 PM »
I am against all firearm restrictions, however, I would like stronger punishments for certain crimes.

Example:
1. Felon using a firearm in a certain crime = automatic 10 years

2. Using a full-auto in a certain crime = automatic death penalty
(any crimes adding to greater than 10 years = automatic death unless the criminal is able and willing to be in a work program to fund his own incarceration, officers' salaries, food, etc.)

Basically, give responsibility back to the people and make them live (or die) with the consequences of being irresponsible.

I know this sounds really weird, but I have a very different view from most people I meet, and this is my opinion.
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robtmc

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2013, 12:33:29 PM »
People convicted of felonies can turn their lives around, but in my experience those convicted of violent crimes probably don't need the temptation.

There's the rub: far too many "felonies" these days have nothing to do with violence, but just crossed the line some liberal politician decided needed a more severe crime designation than misdemeanor. 

It is scary how many things can get you busted on a felony rap.  There was a news article in Georgia today about a HS senior arrested for a felony weapons charge for having his fishing tackle in his car at school.   Horrors:  he and a fishing knife in there!  So this kid is automatically violent?

Killing the wrong critter can get you a felony in many places as well.  What happens when the nanny state gets a head of steam up.

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2013, 01:51:25 PM »
There's the rub: far too many "felonies" these days have nothing to do with violence, but just crossed the line some liberal politician decided needed a more severe crime designation than misdemeanor. 

It is scary how many things can get you busted on a felony rap.  There was a news article in Georgia today about a HS senior arrested for a felony weapons charge for having his fishing tackle in his car at school.   Horrors:  he and a fishing knife in there!  So this kid is automatically violent?

Killing the wrong critter can get you a felony in many places as well.  What happens when the nanny state gets a head of steam up.

Another example:

It's a felony to lie on your IRS Tax Return, BUT

it's only a misdemeanor to not file a return at all.

So, for what could potentially be a mistake on your income tax return (and with our tax code, that's really easy to do), you may lose the right to vote, to keep and bear arms for self defense, etc.
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
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robtmc

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2013, 05:42:05 PM »
So, for what could potentially be a mistake on your income tax return (and with our tax code, that's really easy to do), you may lose the right to vote, to keep and bear arms for self defense, etc.

Call me a paranoid anti-government type (and, oh yeah, FU NSA! ) but I get the strong feeling that the creeping "felononializing" of just about any petty offense is quite deliberate. (new word?)

The why is left for the student to define.

It was noted by Ayn Rand, I believe, that it is impossible to go about daily life and not violate some law or other.  I enthusiastically violate speed limits every time I drive.

Garuda

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2013, 09:14:27 PM »
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I think outlawing full auto is reasonable.   NO THEN WHY ALLOW SEMI-AUTOS AT ALL
I think preventing felons form owning firearms is reasonable. ABSOLUTELY
I think preventing someone from certain diagnosed mental disorders is reasonable. PEOPLE ON SSRI's SHOULDN'T OWN GUNS
I think background checks are reasonable (otherwise it would be impossible to screen for felons and mentally unstable people). JUST LIKE TEXAS, SHOW ID, RUN THROUGH SOMETHING CALLED THE INTERNET, BAM OFF YOU GO
I think outlawing explosives is reasonable.  MMMMM. OK
I am against magazine capacity limit laws.  AGREED BRING ON DRUMS
I am undecided on whether the registration of firearms are reasonable.  TOTALLY UNNECESSARY
I am for concealed carry only after meeting certain requirements. STRICT CLASSES SHOULD BE TAKEN.  THE CLASS SHOULD BE DIFFICULT, NOT EASY LIKE DRIVERS TEST. 
  A person has taken a CC training class which would include firearm training and legal training
  A person has to obtain a permit to CC a firearm (maybe even to include the specific firearm allowed to carry on it)
  A person cannot carry a CC firearm while they are intoxicated YUP
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MDS

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2013, 09:20:08 PM »
Limiting the rights of the individual without due process of law?

    Full auto should not be outright banned but rather a restricted use firearm. Restricted as in the sense of no carry, restricted to home storage, locked in a safe when owner is not at home and used only under life threatening circumstances at home or during practice at a gun range. Similar to existing Hawaii general firearms laws but with the addition of the safe when owners are not at home.

    Felonies differ from State to State and thus a federal unilaterally applied law without uniform state legal standards regarding felonies would circumnavigate the equal privileges and immunities clause.
For example; Vehicular Manslaughter, DUI's etc all differ with regard to felony or misdemeanor charges state by state.  A more Constitutional approach would be Federal Standards based on violent and predatory convictions where the Convicting Judge is responsible for mandating removal of the right to keep and bear arms on Federal Standards under strict appropriate conditions only. When the judiciary removal order has been entered, the right to keep and bear arms is then removed and the person placed on a no firearms list.   
   
I think preventing someone from certain diagnosed mental disorders is reasonable, Case by case basis and again under federal standards that a doctor is responsible for diagnosing and a definite prerequisite for being prescribed particular known to be dangerous prescription medications. Also such a gun rights removal should be subject to re-evaluation if sought through simple court procedures and medical clearance.

Also - No State, City, Municipality or privately owned open to public business  may implement or adopt any local laws or rules regarding firearms. The federal standards should create uniformly applied laws throughout the 50 states and no individuals firearms rights will differ when traveling from one state to another. 

I think background checks are reasonable (otherwise it would be impossible to screen for those placed on the no firearms list)

I think heavy ordinances should be legally restricted and handled according to necessity usages.

I am against magazine capacity limit laws and any laws that limit the many available options for firearms.

Local registration for full automatic weapons only as a method to help local law enforcement in helping track down and find stolen firearms of this type.
Semi automatic and under should require no local registration aside form the basic background clearance check when the purchase is registered within a central data base and that data base should only be accessible for checking a person for clearance and or when one who has been entered on the no firearms list to see if they have previously purchased, what they have purchased etc. so law enforcement can track them down and remove the firearms they previously purchased.

I am for concealed and open carry for any firearm short of full auto firearms and this carry practice need no special clearances or permits.

I will admit the part with regard to full auto can be argued for or against but the rest is pretty much the proper approach rather than generalizing "felony" while inadvertently denying or approving people from differing states based on differing state felony classifications. That word felony is full of holes as is no contact order etc. All is subjective state by state and there needs to be uniform application, otherwise a state could start classifying a parking ticket as a felony to keep its citizens from owning firearms.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2013, 09:49:06 PM by MDS »

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2013, 09:31:15 PM »
We have an entire generation (or more) of over-medicated former children diagnosed by school nurses and teachers as ADHD in need of medication.

Those decisions follow you through life.  Many people on Ridilin as children have trouble getting a driver's license or jobs needing to be bonded or carry a firearm (security guards, etc.).

I wonder how many parents would have refused the prescription knowing the ramifications later in life?
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MDS

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2013, 10:09:07 PM »
We have an entire generation (or more) of over-medicated former children diagnosed by school nurses and teachers as ADHD in need of medication.

Those decisions follow you through life.  Many people on Ridilin as children have trouble getting a driver's license or jobs needing to be bonded or carry a firearm (security guards, etc.).

I wonder how many parents would have refused the prescription knowing the ramifications later in life?

This is why I say such loss of firearms rights should be subject to reversal depending on the individual circumstances and again even before a prescription for these more dangerous drugs can be filled, there needs to be checks put in place that would require the removal of the persons firearms before allowing the prescription to be handed to the patient. There should also be additional laws put in place when a child is placed on these dangerous prescription medications whereby if the parent is a gun owner, the guns will have to be proven safely locked up and out of the reach of the child and the parent must concede to disallowing the child from ever holding or gaining access to the firearm. This would also be inclusive of children deemed mentally unfit to be in contact with firearms. I'm for stricter regulations but only if those regulations rise to a standard of self evident necessity. Arguing full auto, semi auto, magazine limits is all horse pucky, firearms ownership and use are among the many citizens rights of this nation, responsible firearms laws are not unreasonable expectations, silly and non-uniform firearms laws are unreasonable.

eyeeatingfish

Re: What level of gun restrictions and background checks do you support.
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2013, 04:19:51 PM »

2. Using a full-auto in a certain crime = automatic death penalty
(any crimes adding to greater than 10 years = automatic death unless the criminal is able and willing to be in a work program to fund his own incarceration, officers' salaries, food, etc.)


Just FYI, the supreme court has said that the death penalty can never be an automatic sentence for any crime.