Another bill has emerged, HB 834, a stand alone bill restricting sales of ammunition to those that can prove registration of a firearm requiring that ammo.

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/lists/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=834

You know what to do......

Damnit really ? I just want to take a break lol

Holy cow! 
Need to rally the troops this year for sure!!

    It never ends...  If the idiots who propose this crap had to hire their own lawyers to fight for it, i'm sure we wouldn't be talking much about anti-gun/ammunition lawsuits.. Fortunately for them they get to use our own $$ against us.. They will keep grinding away in the hopes people will stop fighting...

    It never ends...  If the idiots who propose this crap had to hire their own lawyers to fight for it, i'm sure we wouldn't be talking much about anti-gun/ammunition lawsuits.. Fortunately for them they get to use our own $$ against us.. They will keep grinding away in the hopes people will stop fighting...

Exactly! If you read the wording from the bill proposed in the 2008 session, you will see the almost exact same wording of the current HB441.....

NRA/ILA
Out on the wire here now too
Easy to find your reps contact info.

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Read.aspx?ID=6157

Let's stop this before it takes off.

I didn't want to single anyone out, so I sent my love letter to the Prez as well as all reps for Hawaii... 

Sent off the letters today. I'll give updates on responses. If I get them.

Sent off the letters today. I'll give updates on responses. If I get them.

I will as well.. And yes, I used the "Message Booster" which supposedly lends more credence to the message...  LOL !! 

Try posting info of who you guys send letters to, we will follow up with letters from Hawaii CCW and the HDF.

Try posting info of who you guys send letters to, we will follow up with letters from Hawaii CCW and the HDF.

Here ya go....  I sent one letter to all of these folks..

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Sorta good =) it's a state bill, so we need to be hitting house and senate reps here.  Those guys are what we target for federal.

Here is a list of the members of the local House of Representatives, and a list of Senators.

House for 2011
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/members/house/housemembers.aspx

Senate for 2011
http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/members/senate/senatemembers.aspx

I live in Ewa, so I have sent letters to Rep. Kim Pine, and Sen. Wil Espero, as well as, Gov. Ambercrombie.
Espero, had replied almost immediately with an email saying, 'this is a house bill, and he'll consider my position.' (paraphrase)

Sorta good =) it's a state bill, so we need to be hitting house and senate reps here.  Those guys are what we target for federal.

Ok, so the entire government starting with the President now knows how I feel about this bill, as I just mailed both my reps a letter (Coffman and Green) !!   

Can someone post or pm me their letter?  Im not good at compiling these things.  I wont copy it word for word, just need an idea of what to compile.

This is what I wrote.  (I am be no means a scholar, and I suck at this, so take it for what it's worth. )
I used the NRA/ILA website to format these letters and send them to my reps.  The website gives them a formal letterhead and makes them look professional. 

http://www.capwiz.com/nra/state/main/?state=HI&view=myofficials

enter your info to find your state reps.

New restrictive firearm laws that have been introduced are not needed, and serve to empower criminals.  These laws are another attempt to dissolve the rights of the people to keep and bear arms.

...prohibit the import, sale, and transfer of .50 BMG rifles or cartridges after July 1, 2011

The .50 caliber rifles are used for target shooting and competition. The size and weight of these rifles make it impossible to use it in any criminal situation.  The people that think you can use these to shoot down airplanes and such are watching too many movies.  The distances involved, moving target, and massive recoil make it nearly impossible.  In a non-military role, they are only practical for target shooting and nothing more.  legislation on this rifle and caliber is pointless.

...requirement that a firearm be sold with a safety device

Responsible gun owner already make sure that their firearms are secure and safe while in storage.  Requirement of a firearm be sold with a Safety Device is not needed, and there is no guarantee that the user will use the device in any case.  Also, many use firearms as tools of self defense, being secure but unlocked is key to having a self defense tool.  This requirement will only add cost to firearms, and further deny hard working responsible citizens the ability to purchase firearms.

...proof of registration of the firearm for which any ammunition is purchased

I do not believe that the criminal element will be affected at all by this section.  Criminals will not use ammunition to practice, as a will a normal citizen would.  The ammo can be acquired, by criminals, from the same black market as they got the weapon.  This portion is a blatant attack on the law abiding citizens right to firearm practice and use. 

...mandate secure storage of firearms and ammunition by firearm dealers

This will cause more price increases for those who follow the law and acquire firearms legally.  I really don't understand the need for this section at all.

...require that the theft of a firearm must be reported with 24 hours

Why is it that there is so many constant attacks of the rights of law abiding citizens??  Why would a person that is a responsible gun owner not report a gun stolen as soon as possible?

...prohibit disclosure to a firearm permit applicant of the source of information used to deny the application based on the applicant's mental disorder (not for a CCW permit, but a permit-to-purchase)

This is very disturbing, and pointless.  The applicant has to sign and submit the medical providers name and address.  The applicant already knows who they are.
Denial without providing cause and without appeal is going way over the line.

I am very disturbed at these new bills that have been brought out.  These bills serve as a great disservice to the people of Hawaii. Hawaii's Firearm Laws are already overly restrictive. Studies have shown over and over again, that restrictive gun laws only serve to oppress decent law abiding citizens. Furthermore, these laws have little to no effect on criminals and their ability to acquire illegal weapons. A quick look at the news and recent events show that violent crime is on the rise; criminals have no regard for the law, thus they will be exempt. New restrictive laws will give the criminals an even larger upper hand.  Give the decent, hardworking, law abiding people a chance to defend themselves.

Please oppose and stop these restrictive measures.


(HB441)http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/lists/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=441

(HB834)http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/session2011/lists/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=834

WOOOWWW !!!  Heavies has the definite professional looking letter !!  Mine is just what I could think up while trying to think    LOL

   Here it is....

 
      Hi Denny,


                   I live in Kailua-Kona as a full time resident. I am just letting you know that I am against this bill, as I believe it does absolutely nothing for our safety.  It makes no sense to exclude this particular weapon, nor does it make any sense to force people to provide proof of having a weapon registered for the ammunition they are purchasing..  Does the gas station ask for your driver’s license before you put gas in your car ? Does the bartender make you pass a sobriety test before you leave the bar to drive away ? We had 28 people die in vehicle crashes on our island in 2010, 16 were DUI related. We had 2 Murders in 2008 involving firearms. When looking at these facts, where should we be focusing our time and energy ? This is nothing more than another attempt at chipping away our rights just because someone is afraid of guns or thinks they are evil.. It’s not the guns that hurt people, it’s the people that use them wrong or illegally, just the same as it’s not the car’s fault, but the drunk or unlicensed driver who is operating it.. It boils down to education and personal responsibility.. Let’s use our resources to educate instead of intimidate or take away rights.. As for crime, it will always be here, and no matter how hard you make it for us law abiding citizens to get a gun or ammo,  the people who commit the crimes will be the least affected, if at all, as they rarely use legal means to commit illegal acts.

Ill probably start working on a letter here in a little bit; just took a day off to relax.

Does the gas station ask for your driver’s license before you put gas in your car ?

Haha, we think alike! That was one of the first things that popped in my head. With all the car deaths, stolen vehicles, and high speed chases, why don't they require something as rediculous as a valid registration and ID to pump gas. Perfect way to point out why these bills are a waste of time. Hehe

Your letter is very informative and has many well made points. I'm sure it will be carefully considered.

I just hope our responses keeps these bills off the floor.

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Does the gas station ask for your driver’s license before you put gas in your car ?

Haha, we think alike! That was one of the first things that popped in my head. With all the car deaths, stolen vehicles, and high speed chases, why don't they require something as rediculous as a valid registration and ID to pump gas. Perfect way to point out why these bills are a waste of time. Hehe

Your letter is very informative and has many well made points. I'm sure it will be carefully considered.

I just hope our responses keeps these bills off the floor.

LOL !!  Thanks man          Yeah, I hope with all of our letters we trigger something in their thought process..