great job HiCarry

Thank you

Just got done watching.  Good job HiCarry.

I watched it real quick last night and I have to say WOW. Great job. One thing, Ed Case HATES confrontation. He's talking to the table and giving eye contact only to those that share his own view. The few times he gives you the same courtesy, he's physically leaning back lol. Not to mention he's the main "Umm"er and stutterer. Loved the uncomfortable stare you were giving him every time he talked. There was one question you asked him and he was about to go into stutter mode and talk to the table when someone else made a sound, and he looked absolutely relieved as he gestured to that person to continue talking. It was hilarious lol.
 
They started to grasp at straws near the middle after they started gettig impatient. Reeling in their line way too fast. Petty deflection. It was a weak display. Not a single word regarding CDC's results. Tossing your MLKJ & Gandi FACTS towards deception because they have no counters to it. Ignoring facts you've mentioned.

 I really wish you were able to say what you wanted to after Kaneshiro lied about how people will definitely go on shooting sprees over arguments if they're allowed to always carry guns. Unfortunately you were cut off. There was another one I wish you had a chance to say something but I forgot. Had to go to sleep O_o.

I think the Dean is the most dangerous one. The rest folded quick or after a while. He faltered but he didn't fold at all and he gives off the apeparance of considering both sides the most. He was the "quietest" one and he takes the time to think the most before he speaks. Example, Case would immediately try to provide an answer to something and immediately stall to think of an answer on the fly.

All in all it was a very entertaining watch of what we're up against! Thank you very much HICarry! The touchy-feely good-feelings crumble under the facts.

What is funny is I think we covered almost all the material they asked on the show =P.

Bill fed me some Big Kahunas (yum!) while I grilled him on gun questions it was a good time.   We will prepare harder, research further, and find their lies... debunk them, and provide our gun owners (and non-gun owners) the truth, so help me god =).

I viewed the program on the PBS website, and I must say, HiCarry, that you were the most articulate panel member, and the only one who could make a logical point.  You did an excellent job.

I live in Colorado and  visit Hawaii to see relatives, so I see Hawaii gun laws as horribly restrictive.  I was so impressed with the lack of rationality of Mr. Kaneshiro that I had to send him some comments.  I quickly found his office's website and, of course, they have no email address to receive comments.  That did not deter me from mailing my views to him.  Probably no one here is interested in the details of my letter, but I include it here just in case...

Mr. Keith Kaneshiro
The Department of the Prosecuting Attorney
City & County of Honolulu
1060 Richards Street
Honolulu, HI 96813

Sir:

I watched the February 3 PBS discussion of gun control.  I thank you for taking the time to participate in the program.

I am a resident of Colorado, which has gun laws much different from those of Hawaii, but I have relatives in Waimea which I visit, so I am keenly aware of the differences and was interested in the PBS program.

You made two points which appear to be mutually contradictory to me.  You stated that Hawaii state law allows the legal gun owner to possess firearms in his home for the practical purpose  of defense against intruders.  Therefore, armed self defense must be legal.  When commenting on being attacked outside the home, where the law-abiding citizen cannot be legally armed, you stated that calling for police assistance on a cell phone will give adequate protection from armed attack.  Even if the police arrive within 2 or 3 minutes, that is obviously not going to afford protection from events occurring within a few seconds.  So in this case, armed self defense is illegal.  One could just as well state that firearms in the home are unnecessary also, since one can make a 911 call from home.  Armed self defense should logically be either legal or illegal in all cases, not sometimes legal and other times illegal.

You also stated that if law-abiding citizens could carry concealed weapons, people would soon be shooting each other over trivial disagreements like who gets a parking space on the street.  Of course at that point they wouldn't be law-abiding citizens, would they?  The same argument has been advanced in every state that has enacted mandatory-issue of concealed firearm licenses, and has proven groundless every time.  We have had mandatory issue here in Colorado since 2003, with thousands of licenses issued, and there has not been a single instance where a concealed pistol licensee has used a weapon to commit a crime.  Even before 2003, anyone in Colorado who could legally own a pistol could carry it in their vehicle for self-defense, or carry it openly in most places, and there were no associated wild-west shootouts then.

The futility of gun control laws is simply that they restrict law-abiding citizens and have no effect on criminals.  I know that illegal gun possession in Hawaii incurs mandatory prison time, so I will never bring a firearm when I visit my relatives there, of course—I don't want my life wrecked, so the law works on me.  But a dealer of illegal drugs in Honolulu will not hesitate to carry an illegal pistol because additional jail time for gun possession is trivial compared to the length of his sentence if he is convicted for dealing illegal drugs.

Thanks for reading my comments.

[signed my real name]
Aurora, Colorado

Just got done watching.  Good job HiCarry.

Thank you.

I watched it real quick last night and I have to say WOW. Great job. One thing, Ed Case HATES confrontation. He's talking to the table and giving eye contact only to those that share his own view. The few times he gives you the same courtesy, he's physically leaning back lol. Not to mention he's the main "Umm"er and stutterer. Loved the uncomfortable stare you were giving him every time he talked. There was one question you asked him and he was about to go into stutter mode and talk to the table when someone else made a sound, and he looked absolutely relieved as he gestured to that person to continue talking. It was hilarious lol.
 
They started to grasp at straws near the middle after they started gettig impatient. Reeling in their line way too fast. Petty deflection. It was a weak display. Not a single word regarding CDC's results. Tossing your MLKJ & Gandi FACTS towards deception because they have no counters to it. Ignoring facts you've mentioned.

 I really wish you were able to say what you wanted to after Kaneshiro lied about how people will definitely go on shooting sprees over arguments if they're allowed to always carry guns. Unfortunately you were cut off. There was another one I wish you had a chance to say something but I forgot. Had to go to sleep O_o.

I think the Dean is the most dangerous one. The rest folded quick or after a while. He faltered but he didn't fold at all and he gives off the apeparance of considering both sides the most. He was the "quietest" one and he takes the time to think the most before he speaks. Example, Case would immediately try to provide an answer to something and immediately stall to think of an answer on the fly.

All in all it was a very entertaining watch of what we're up against! Thank you very much HICarry! The touchy-feely good-feelings crumble under the facts.

Thanks for the compliments. (and those from Anubis as well...) As you noted, there were several times issues were raised and "facts" were presented by the others but I was unable to rebut them because our moderator would either quickly move on or otherwise prevent me from speaking. One of the interesting things that came out was that the show received a very unsusally large amount of comments both before and during the show. Now, as far as I know, this would have to correlate with increased viewers, which is what all television programs want. So, what if we were to try to pressure PBS into doing another show, say just on concealed carry? This time we'd try to get Chris on (not sure if they're inclined to ask me back at this point... ) and continue this "public" discussioin....after all if Thursday's show is any indication, it would be watched by more folks than the show normally gets....

lol I can only imagine how that would have went if I was there and Ken said "they could buy their own ammo".

I imagine something along the lines of "Are you seriously that ignorant?" would have slipped out.

I actually think that I would have loved to speak with the Dean.  I like really smart people, and he seems to be that way.  Ed brings the "feelings", kaneshiro was bringing political agenda, and the dean was willing to evaluate the legalities of stuff.  He would be my buddy, whether or not we agreed.

lol I can only imagine how that would have went if I was there and Ken said "they could buy their own ammo".

I imagine something along the lines of "Are you seriously that ignorant?" would have slipped out.

I actually think that I would have loved to speak with the Dean.  I like really smart people, and he seems to be that way.  Ed brings the "feelings", kaneshiro was bringing political agenda, and the dean was willing to evaluate the legalities of stuff.  He would be my buddy, whether or not we agreed.

If it hadn't been on TV (all the associated nervousness) I think he would be the most fun to debate....he got me a little with flustered with the "arbitrary" issue, but I really would have loved to be able to have replied to the analogy of the yelling person versus concealed carry on campus. We could have gone the prior restraint argument and the minor little fact that there has never been a mass shooting at a school that allows concealed carry. And, to the best of my knowledge, no incidence of a CCW holder causing a problem.

Hi! I'm new to this forum and yesterday I just completed the mandatoy basic handgun course. I just finished watching that video clip and all I can say is "WoW!" HiCarry, you did a teriffic job in the debate! I felt very honored to have someone like you there fighting for us. Thank you very much!

Hi! I'm new to this forum and yesterday I just completed the mandatoy basic handgun course. I just finished watching that video clip and all I can say is "WoW!" HiCarry, you did a teriffic job in the debate! I felt very honored to have someone like you there fighting for us. Thank you very much!

Good job on the handgun course. Where did you take it?

Thanks for the compliments, but it wasn't just me. It was everyone from Chris who helped me prep, to the folks on the forum who provided some help witih research, and everyone else, rather they called, emailed, or "tweeted" in comments. That's exactly what this "movement" needs - cooperatation and collaboration and that's exactly what I saw. So, if you're "new" to shooting, get involved. If you're an old hand, you should have already been involved. And, if you need help or information, just ask - there's lots of smart and knowledgeable folks here, and in the shooting community in general, who will be happy to assist.

Aloha,

Just watched it from my DVR and all I can say is WOW, great job HiCarry. 

From day 1 of hearing about this program, I thought that it would be set up to make the pro-gun side look bad.  It just seemed like they underestimated you.  By the half-way point, you were the only one who seemed to have any conviction in their argument.  Everyone started backing off, and doing what so many politicians in HI do, which is sit on their high perch with a stink eye....  and that "go back to where you came from" attitude.  Maybe i'm biased, but it just seemed like they gave up making references towards the end and started making really short points, as if they realized that their "dog" in the fight wasn't *that* big of a deal.  I'm glad that this forum was opened up because again, it really seemed like they underestimated the discussion.  Maybe they didn't know there were/are law abiding citizens who wish to CCW and responsibly own firearms?


Again, good job.

Great Job Highcarry.  You really did the shooting community proud.  I think now would be a good time to strike while the metal is hot.  We should email Ed Case and possibly even Keith Kanashiro to say how disappointed we are with their Anti-gun position.  It might make him/them rethink being so vocally anti-gun if there is a strong backlash of his constituents voicing disapproval. 

I am going to e mail PBS Hawaii and let them know that our family did not like the gun control program
   because we could see how Biased the program was and how the moderater skewed the questions.

Because of their open bias, I Do Not Support PBS.

Here is how to contact them:  http://www.pbshawaii.org/about/about_contactus.php

Those of us who aren't happy should make our voices heard and tell them Why we do Not Support PBS.

I Strongly suggest that as many of you send in Un Happy viewer ratings equalling No Support.

I am going to e mail PBS Hawaii and let them know that our family did not like the gun control program
   because we could see how Biased the program was and how the moderater skewed the questions.

Because of their open bias, I Do Not Support PBS.

Here is how to contact them:  http://www.pbshawaii.org/about/about_contactus.php

Those of us who aren't happy should make our voices heard and tell them Why we do Not Support PBS.

I Strongly suggest that as many of you send in Un Happy viewer ratings equalling No Support.

Sorry but I respectfully disagree.  I think these forums/shows are exactly what we pro-gun people need to get the agenda out.  I think that the more reasonable people start thinking about the fact that HPD 99% of the time will NOT be there in time to stop a 30 second homicide, the more people will accept CCW.  IMHO, getting those domestic violence victims CCW permits are the only way to start this frame of mind. 

I noticed that when the subject started with HPD response time and whether HPD would get to a homicide to "protect" you from getting killed, the subject got squashed and the conversation was changed into a new direction.  We need to get politicians and the public to keep names like Tupuola front of mind.

I am going to e mail PBS Hawaii and let them know that our family did not like the gun control program
   because we could see how Biased the program was and how the moderater skewed the questions.

Because of their open bias, I Do Not Support PBS.

Here is how to contact them:  http://www.pbshawaii.org/about/about_contactus.php

Those of us who aren't happy should make our voices heard and tell them Why we do Not Support PBS.

I Strongly suggest that as many of you send in Un Happy viewer ratings equalling No Support.

First, thank you, 808Shooter and Antithesis. OG, I agree and disagree....let them know the bias was obvious, but that you're interested in hearing more about the issues. Suggest that as a way to make up for such a lopsided and biased show, they should do another one, more balanced, about concealed carry in Hawaii.

While we want them to know that we caught onto what was happening, we also want them to know that there are rational, intelligent (sort of the population PBS "goes" for..) and successful individuals on this side of the argument and that, like voting, we also contribute to the charities and issues we support: PBS could be a beneficiary of that financial support if they were a little more fair and balanced (purposeful Fox News reference....)

Sorry if you misunderstood what I was trying to get across.

Hi Carry said what I meant.

Because of open bias, we did not like the program.

If it were Fair and Balanced we would be supportive ($)   of PBS. 

But, since their programs are Un fair and Biased as we see it, they  get no support from us.

Why should we support organizations/agencies that are openly "against" our beliefs?

Example is  Aloha United Way.  It or many of the organizations in it have Anti 2A platforms.
   As a result, We Do NOT contribute to Aloha United Way.

What we do is to contribute to organizations such as the Boy Scouts Directly. 
   There by cutting out The United Way from getting a small piece of the pie.

Hope this makes things clearer.
 

I just went through some of the episode.  You did a great job HiCarry!  You were calm, polished, well prepared and most of all an excellent representative of our community. 

As for Mr. Case; I saw what the others did.  A politician in the same vein as the current President; no substance.  Emotion not to be hindered by fact.  By the way, we're not an Eastern culture despite how many Asians like myself reside here.  If he thinks Japan is the way it is because of their gun laws - let's just say we don't have as many instances of someone stabbing to death their entire family because they lost a business contract or something, and we'd like to keep it that way.  Shame works there - shame isn't stopping a jealous ex or a crackhead bent on carrying out his or her paranoid delusions here.

As for Mr. Kaneshiro;  I wonder if HE has to call 911 if someone he helped put in jail were right outside his door or coming for him while he is walking to his car at night.  No? WHY IS THAT?   He couldn't even address Warren vs. D.C.  and kept going for the more guns = more guns in criminals hands fallacy.  Just say it Mr. Kaneshiro; you think us locals can't be trusted and that you know what's best for us.

I just went through some of the episode.  You did a great job HiCarry!  You were calm, polished, well prepared and most of all an excellent representative of our community. 

As for Mr. Case; I saw what the others did.  A politician in the same vein as the current President; no substance.  Emotion not to be hindered by fact.  By the way, we're not an Eastern culture despite how many Asians like myself reside here.  If he thinks Japan is the way it is because of their gun laws - let's just say we don't have as many instances of someone stabbing to death their entire family because they lost a business contract or something, and we'd like to keep it that way.  Shame works there - shame isn't stopping a jealous ex or a crackhead bent on carrying out his or her paranoid delusions here.

As for Mr. Kaneshiro;  I wonder if HE has to call 911 if someone he helped put in jail were right outside his door or coming for him while he is walking to his car at night.  No? WHY IS THAT?   He couldn't even address Warren vs. D.C.  and kept going for the more guns = more guns in criminals hands fallacy.  Just say it Mr. Kaneshiro; you think us locals can't be trusted and that you know what's best for us.

I can't wait till locals can't carry and tourists can, there will be a *HUGE* uproar.  Which will be good, because it bring the issue right to the frong lines of battle.  I bet a dinner out, by the end of this year most of the nation has reciprocity via the Thune Amendment.

As I understand it,  Kaneshiro and members of his staff can carry concealed with the blessings of HPD.

There are requirements.

So can Judges and members of the Hawaii AG's office.

They can carry under different rules from us regular citizens.

Of so I've been told.  There may have been a newspaper article about this.

If I knew where I saw, I'd reference it.