80 Percent lower registration. (Read 19372 times)

smashpwnage

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2019, 06:27:30 PM »
No
The process to acquire the lower to build as a pistol would be the same as a handgun, three trips to HPD.

i just brought in my stripped 80% lower in and registered it as a pistol this morning. after playing 21 questions with the officers for a while they finally registered it.  they were adamant about me bringing it back once its built, and that epoxying the mag into the receiver is not a sufficient way of fixing the magazine. i just said ok and left. i could not find any requirements on fixing magazines and if epoxy is good enough.

6716J

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2019, 01:42:02 PM »
i just brought in my stripped 80% lower in and registered it as a pistol this morning. after playing 21 questions with the officers for a while they finally registered it.  they were adamant about me bringing it back once its built, and that epoxying the mag into the receiver is not a sufficient way of fixing the magazine. i just said ok and left. i could not find any requirements on fixing magazines and if epoxy is good enough.

You did it the best way possible. Bring in a stripped lower and register as pistol. Did you give a barrel length or caliber? How did you fill the form out?

As long as they don't legally define it, they can't legally enforce it. What constitutes detachable? Its subjective and the error is on your (our) side. They have to prove it is not detachable and there are plenty of current legal definitions in the firearms laws across the country to be on our side (not that there should be any requirement for detachable). If they push the mag release and it doesn't come out, its not detachable. If they have to use a tool or disassemble the firearm to remove the magazine, it's not detachable. Anytime they tell you to weld it, they are providing legal advice on behalf of HPD and are at risk of being held liable for themselves and the department. But that's their call, I'm not their boss. And they keep using the term FIXED. The terminology in the HRS is DETACHABLE. Very different legal definitions.

I would love to see someone bring the Freedom15 system and register it. How do you serialize a liquid?
http://ar15mold.com/freedom-15-5-kit/
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

London808

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2019, 05:03:19 PM »
i just brought in my stripped 80% lower in and registered it as a pistol this morning. after playing 21 questions with the officers for a while they finally registered it.  they were adamant about me bringing it back once its built, and that epoxying the mag into the receiver is not a sufficient way of fixing the magazine. i just said ok and left. i could not find any requirements on fixing magazines and if epoxy is good enough.

Was the 80% complete ?
Did you have a permit ?
"Mr. Roberts is a bit of a fanatic, he has previously sued HPD about gun registration issues." : Major Richard Robinson 2016

stangzilla

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2019, 05:38:19 PM »


I would love to see someone bring the Freedom15 system and register it. How do you serialize a liquid?
http://ar15mold.com/freedom-15-5-kit/


That looks like a fun project  :thumbsup:

robtmc

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2019, 07:28:32 PM »
i just brought in my stripped 80% lower in and registered it as a pistol this morning. after playing 21 questions with the officers for a while they finally registered it.  they were adamant about me bringing it back once its built,
13 years ago, HPD told me there was no requirement  to bring a completed "anything" back again.  They sort of hinted they might "like" to see it again, but no law said I had to.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #25 on: January 31, 2019, 07:38:09 PM »
i just brought in my stripped 80% lower in and registered it as a pistol this morning. after playing 21 questions with the officers for a while they finally registered it.  they were adamant about me bringing it back once its built, and that epoxying the mag into the receiver is not a sufficient way of fixing the magazine. i just said ok and left. i could not find any requirements on fixing magazines and if epoxy is good enough.

I find it amusing they would register a non-firearm.   :rofl:
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

6716J

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2019, 07:44:35 AM »
I find it amusing they would register a non-firearm.   :rofl:

I'm bringing my $12 shovel in next week to register it as an AK
I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #27 on: February 01, 2019, 11:53:17 AM »
I'm bringing my $12 shovel in next week to register it as an AK

Maybe I'm assuming he hasn't milled the lower beyond 80%.  If it was me, I'd do minimal milling to get it above 80% (and add the serial number). HPD would have to register it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

2ahavvaii

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #28 on: February 01, 2019, 04:32:29 PM »
 sounds like the easiest way is to get advice from suka, then buy him beers so he goes with you to hpd.  once they see him, they'll figure its all done correctly. lol

stangzilla

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #29 on: February 01, 2019, 05:19:35 PM »
13 years ago, HPD told me there was no requirement  to bring a completed "anything" back again.  They sort of hinted they might "like" to see it again, but no law said I had to.

even recently when I register a lower, they have never told me to bring it back when i'm done

robtmc

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #30 on: February 04, 2019, 10:34:08 AM »
Maybe I'm assuming he hasn't milled the lower beyond 80%.  If it was me, I'd do minimal milling to get it above 80% (and add the serial number). HPD would have to register it.
But then the hassle if you farque up the machining and it is just a paperweight still on the HPD confiscation lists?

robtmc

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #31 on: February 04, 2019, 10:36:25 AM »
even recently when I register a lower, they have never told me to bring it back when i'm done
Last lower I got as PIAPS and pre Rapback insurance, lady at the local PD looked at it and asked "That's it?"

Flapp_Jackson

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #32 on: February 04, 2019, 11:10:58 AM »
But then the hassle if you farque up the machining and it is just a paperweight still on the HPD confiscation lists?


If you destroyed it after messing up the milling, you can take the pieces to HPD. They should be able to record it was destroyed.  You could also just turn it into them for destruction.  Either way, they'll be able to document you no longer have it.
The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;
the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself.
Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man.
-- George Bernard Shaw

smashpwnage

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #33 on: February 06, 2019, 08:51:29 PM »
Was the 80% complete ?
Did you have a permit ?

i have a long gun PTA. the stripped lower was made from a 80% and was machined and serialized

smashpwnage

Re: 80 Percent lower registration.
« Reply #34 on: February 06, 2019, 08:56:57 PM »
You did it the best way possible. Bring in a stripped lower and register as pistol. Did you give a barrel length or caliber? How did you fill the form out?

As long as they don't legally define it, they can't legally enforce it. What constitutes detachable? Its subjective and the error is on your (our) side. They have to prove it is not detachable and there are plenty of current legal definitions in the firearms laws across the country to be on our side (not that there should be any requirement for detachable). If they push the mag release and it doesn't come out, its not detachable. If they have to use a tool or disassemble the firearm to remove the magazine, it's not detachable. Anytime they tell you to weld it, they are providing legal advice on behalf of HPD and are at risk of being held liable for themselves and the department. But that's their call, I'm not their boss. And they keep using the term FIXED. The terminology in the HRS is DETACHABLE. Very different legal definitions.



i said i was going to go 10.5", although i really don't know what i'm going to put on it yet since i dont have any other parts for the build.

since it was relatively easy to register this lower, i was thinking about doing a glock 80. should it be the same process? i didn't take the handgun class.