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Q

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« on: November 13, 2013, 02:24:14 PM »
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Jl808

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2013, 08:28:48 PM »
Great idea Q.  I'll contribute to editing and post production if needed.
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Tom_G

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2013, 09:59:06 PM »
I've got the technical skills, have access to pro equipment, and ran the training department at Olelo for several years so I know that system.  The problem isn't with the filming and editing.  Tech guys and tech skills are relatively easy to find, and Olelo has nice equipment available for use.  The problem is generating the content.  Taking a camera out and "documenting" a rally is a far cry from producing a documentary about a rally. 

Incidentally, your friend is wrong on one point.  You don't need the leader of the 2A movement to fill out a form, your friend could do that himself.  Olelo's paperwork is primarily to identify who is the owner of the content, and who is ultimately responsible for the use of their equipment.  They do have limits on how much equipment a person can use in a given time, so your friend may not wish to use his "rations" in service of a movement that isn't "his."
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HiCarry

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2013, 11:11:59 AM »
As Tom said, there is more to the process than just filming an event. That being said, this could be an excellent opportunity.

I, and LIFE are more than willing to help....

hvybarrels

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2013, 11:31:51 AM »
What would be the focus? Concealed carry sounds like a good place to start since the law is clear and we should be able to do it even though the police never issue any permits and have overstepped their role into writing de facto legislation. Here's an older re-enactment of the guy beating his gf to death with a shotgun in Kailua. Hopefully it will help getting some of those creative juices flowing!



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paulb3

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2013, 12:41:16 PM »
I have a couple of suggestions.

Hunting and the decline of hunting areas due to Endangered Species Act and Rain Follows the Forest

other one is not so hot of a topic would be allowing silencers to be legal in Hawaii.

pb

stangzilla

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2013, 01:28:56 PM »
great ideas
anything to familiarize the public of real gun owners is a good thing.

maybe something more family friendly, like a "lets go shooting" show
with a portion of it talking politics and conceal carry options, and other gun owner concerns here in Hawaii.
just trying to make it a more fun to watch show, rather than a total political show.

but what do I know, I'm just another gun nut.  :crazy:
whatever you decide to support the 2a cause, I will support.   :thumbsup:

new guy

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2013, 03:15:02 PM »
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Jl808

Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2013, 07:34:18 PM »
I would make a documentary that targets the female audience.

1. Show women how a firearm can be an equalizer against a much larger assailant or rapist.

Show them how ridiculous it is to vomit and pee on oneself to prevent someone from raping them.

2. Show that it is normal people (not nuts) who choose to own guns responsibly.  Like having a fire extinguisher, the reason for owning guns is not to kill someone but to defend oneself and one's family.

Let them know that HPD may not be there immediately and that defending their own lives is their own responsibility first.

3. Show how the camaraderie in shooting sports can lead to fun times with their spouse or for the whole family.

4. Inspire women to learn a new skill and empower them to be able to defend themselves.

5. De-mistify guns and make less intimidating the process of choosing and buying their own firearm.

Get them to talk about our current gun laws and how more restrictions on gun ownership only aids the criminals.  Highlight the current gun laws that does not make sense.
« Last Edit: November 14, 2013, 07:50:25 PM by Jl808 »
I think, therefore I am armed.
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The United States Constitution © 1791. All Rights Reserved.

Jl808

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2013, 07:44:30 PM »
I think we should do this. 

The current battle of 2A is against an unseen enemy and is for the hearts and minds of the people.

The tools of this battle is not firearms but is mass media and viral social media.
I think, therefore I am armed.
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hvybarrels

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2013, 12:24:20 AM »
I like the idea of women and firearms. It's true if you play too much to the fear factor it turns a lot of people off, but while having a half hour of X-ring girl showing off weapons would initially draw a big audience it could also be equally counterproductive in terms of outreach.

There's that show Hawaii Skin Diver with host Merlinda Garma that goes to all kinds of exotic locations and features a dangerous sport involving the mass-murder of sea life. The family friendly format really helps.

HRA already owns the copyright for Hawaii Rifleman. Maybe they wouldn't mind expanding to a joint venture in a similar fashion?
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Q

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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2013, 02:44:58 AM »
One thing people rarely notice who don't shoot firearms regularly is the amount of time, energy, and money spent on education, training, ammunition, firearm upgrades, repair, and maintenance, searching for bargains, buying all the accessories, storage containers/safes, standing in line to comply with permit  and registration laws, reloading, etc., etc.

The thing for most of us (I'm assuming) is this sport becomes a hobby, to the point where the same commitment is made as for any other serious hobby.

Range time can be the smallest portion of a shooter's time when you compare that to all the purchasing, preparation, legal compliance, tinkering and gun cleaning.

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sliver

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2013, 03:53:29 AM »
someone should show what a huge problem wild boar is to our native habitat as well as the diseases they carry.  Also, calling suppressors silencers is just bad and fuels the antigunners when in fact they should be called still loud as fuck but at least you wont go deaf without doubling up on hearing protection...

sliver

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2013, 04:04:05 AM »
What would be the focus? Concealed carry sounds like a good place to start since the law is clear and we should be able to do it even though the police never issue any permits and have overstepped their role into writing de facto legislation. Here's an older re-enactment of the guy beating his gf to death with a shotgun in Kailua. Hopefully it will help getting some of those creative juices flowing!



holy crap, that video had some pretty bad acting! 

macsak

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2013, 07:31:57 AM »
Rather than turn this into a political issue / debate, I think the best thing we can do initially is to personalize it. We are constantly bombarded with advertisements via the NRA, which only serves to inspire those who are 2a, and push away those who do not support it because most people only see the firearm and not the face behind the firearm.

I think a great idea would be to set up an interview style confessional, in which people come in and share their stories and personal experiences as to how the 2nd amendment effected, and continues to effect, their lives; maybe we can even incorporate cut scenes to help tell each individual's story/stories, and further drive each point home. I think the most important thing we can do is to get the audience to relate our stories to their own lives, and show how the 2nd amendment and firearms play and can play an important role not only in their experiences, but the experiences of their loved ones as well. The great thing about it is that it will encompass a varying degree of emotions; some stories will be joyful, and some will be very dark and painful,

While training videos sound like a good idea, I don't think it would support the cause, and may have a greater potential to backfire. I remember when they used to broadcast MMA fights on OC16 and even on Olelo, and everyone got their panties in a bunch because they claimed it was supporting violence and blah blah blah...you know how the libs are. I think if we are to conduct any type of 'training' video, it should be during a powerpoint seminar. I honesty don't think the population is ready to see tactical training on 'olelo.

i can guarantee we will need to be holding a rally like we did last year
and it will have to be much bigger than last year
the lefties are gonna be empowered by their victory on same sex marriage
we should start by filming that rally and showing the families, women and children
this will go a long way to represent 2a supporters as regular people and not "gun nuts"

paulb3

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2013, 09:17:05 AM »
I vote for Aguie T. Pig Hunting.....  :geekdanc:

hvybarrels

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2013, 10:12:26 AM »
holy crap, that video had some pretty bad acting!

Those are the results to expect donated time and no budget.
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aieahound

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2013, 10:16:16 AM »
Here's my 2 cents. (probably only really worth 1 cent )

- Start with an edited version of my daughters essay on the last rally. ( https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=7691.msg73237#msg73237 )
     being read over images of the last rally. ( I know we have photos )
- Interview members of this forum and their professions to show we're upstanding citizens and productive members of the community.
    - Dentist
    - Entrepeneur
    - College student / Aspiring Pilot
    - Whatever other upstanding jobs we all have.
     - Whatever KK does for a living other than buying more guns and ammo.  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: ( JK )
- Feature kids of members. Have them recite the 4 rules of firearms ( which they should know by heart already if they're handling firearms )
        -  Can be a group interview, like town hall meeting, to make it cuter. ( and our kids would get to meet each other )
        - Safer to know how to handle a firearm if one is found in school than to have only seen one in movies.
        - Ex:  Pearl City inter or Highlands incident where kid picked up found gun, put finger on the trigger and almost shot another student by accident.
- Feature Skinny Panda and HDF fun days. Skinny Panda ( woman ) comes and checks it out and ends up loving it. Get her story.
- Do a concealed carry re-enactment like noted by Hvybarrels ( but with better acting )
- conclude with our next rally ( if we have one in a timely fashion that coincides with the making of this video )
- Or conclude with some script about our constitutional rights and that guns can save lives and protect families in the right hands.
- Or use a tactic like American Blackout and depict a home invasion and make people think about if they don't own a gun, maybe they should.

I'd be willing to help. Whatever the decision on content is.

Edit:
Hvybarrels, couple beers and I've seen better acting at our Pau Hana's  :crazy:

hvybarrels

Re: Anyone interested in making a Pro-2a documentary for 'Olelo?
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2013, 10:22:34 AM »
I known people who bought guns during the big semi auto scare who have never taken them to the range. I've tried to get them to come with me but can tell they are afraid and don't know what to expect, like there are going to be a bunch of knuckle-dragging macho gorillas waiting there to humiliate them or something. A video de-mystifying Koko Head would be a step in the right direction. Show off how things work, what's available, and how to safely conduct yourself. Maybe find a range officer who can smile during an interview is too much to ask, though.
Pretending to be offended does not make you a good person.