Bullet was traveling sideways to make a wide rip in the screen....

Yeah, bullets tend to travel sideways when shot from a slingshot from the yard next door.  That would be a great way to safely create "evidence" of a bullet striking a house without really endangering the occupants.

Yeah, bullets tend to travel sideways when shot from a slingshot from the yard next door.  That would be a great way to safely create "evidence" of a bullet striking a house without really endangering the occupants.

That's what I think too...  and the top of the window?  Would not the round hit the eave of the roof if it came in from kokohead? 

The people shooting standing are using a sound and safe technique of mounting the rifle.  WTF? this bastard has some kind of freaking problem.  The new incidents are hopefully being FULLY investigated be the HPD, and if it turns out to be BS, I HOPE charges are brought up on the culprit.

The twat's changing his tune on a Twitter.  Backtracking on himself trying to "clarify" his statement.   @gerGnesdunK: http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj - This is just positioning, not firing. Shows potential accidental firing w/ barrel raised, finger on trigger 2/2. 

Seems he spent the day hiking the trail again.  I wonder how he'd feel if his favorite trail was closed?

The twat's changing his tune on a Twitter.  Backtracking on himself trying to "clarify" his statement.   @gerGnesdunK: http://t.co/ZnRaYIDGCj - This is just positioning, not firing. Shows potential accidental firing w/ barrel raised, finger on trigger 2/2. 

Seems he spent the day hiking the trail again.  I wonder how he'd feel if his favorite trail was closed?

the walls have ears...

Bullet was traveling sideways to make a wide rip in the screen....

Amazing how it just happened to hit right at the edge of the screen where it might have been ripped loose from the welting already.

I say it is B.S.  No pic of the supposed broken window either?  How convenient.

Any chance all this BS might just result in some upgrades at the range? What do you guys all think about this situation? I really hope all this is resolved quickly so we can enjoy the rifle range again. Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking and come up with some kind of "solution."

Any chance all this BS might just result in some upgrades at the range? What do you guys all think about this situation? I really hope all this is resolved quickly so we can enjoy the rifle range again. Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking and come up with some kind of "solution."

My feeling is, there is a POTENTIAL problem with stray bullets based on circumstantial evidence. 

The Mayor is taking this opportunity to increase safety by making repairs and upgrades. 

If these repairs result in no more reports of strays, the Mayor can claim success, the shooters benefit from the upgrades, and the plaintiffs will feel their complaints were heard and responded to.  It's a POSITIVE result from a NEGATIVE situation.

The only person to still be unsatisfied would be anyone whose real goal was to shut down the range completely.

Any chance all this BS might just result in some upgrades at the range? What do you guys all think about this situation? I really hope all this is resolved quickly so we can enjoy the rifle range again. Hopefully this isn't just wishful thinking and come up with some kind of "solution."

be part of the solution
https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=12444.0

The only person to still be unsatisfied would be anyone whose real goal was to shut down the range completely.

Bingo.

Anyone really think they will have heard the last from Knudsen et al, regardless of range improvements?

For those types, this is not about safety, it is about punishing those hated gun owners.  That is what gun control has always been about:

An easy way to punish the non-believers.

...I overheard Knudsen talking to the mayor about how dangerous it is to have the range in such close proximity to residential areas, and he was explaining that a round can easily hit someone on the Koko Head trail (stairs) or go over and hit more homes. He was explaining to the mayor that a wall needed to be built along the trail, or the range should be fully enclosed to prevent these possibilities...
 

People like Knudsen tick me off.  He's just like the people with houses near MCBH, HI,  and MCAS Miramar, CA, that complain about the noise.  Their houses were built and purchased long after the places they complain about were built.  The Koko Head Shooting Complex has been a shooting range since before 1950 (according to the website), MCBH has been a military installation since before 1939 (I was told the early 1900's by a PR person for the base), and Miramar was established in 1917.  Unless people owned their property around these places before they were built they have no right to complain.  They knew what was nearby and should have considered the risks.  If they didn't, that's their fault for not checking the surroundings before the purchase and should consider moving.  Same goes for the people hiking, pay attention to your surroundings, it may be what saves your life.  Though I've never hiked that trail, if there isn't a sign stating that there is an active shooting range below it, maybe there should be.

Just my $0.02

I was thinking that a simpler solution would be to move the firing points back instead of extending the roof / making an eyebrow.

People like Knudsen tick me off.  He's just like the people with houses near MCBH, HI,  and MCAS Miramar, CA, that complain about the noise.  Their houses were built and purchased long after the places they complain about were built.  The Koko Head Shooting Complex has been a shooting range since before 1950 (according to the website), MCBH has been a military installation since before 1939 (I was told the early 1900's by a PR person for the base), and Miramar was established in 1917.  Unless people owned their property around these places before they were built they have no right to complain.  They knew what was nearby and should have considered the risks.  If they didn't, that's their fault for not checking the surroundings before the purchase and should consider moving.  Same goes for the people hiking, pay attention to your surroundings, it may be what saves your life.  Though I've never hiked that trail, if there isn't a sign stating that there is an active shooting range below it, maybe there should be.

Just my $0.02

There was a sign stating that an active shooting range and that the trail was in line with it. The sign also stated that the trail is off limits. The city took it down after hikers bitched about it. That illegal trail still costs the city money because of all the HFD heli rescues.

I was thinking that a simpler solution would be to move the firing points back instead of extending the roof / making an eyebrow.

wow, that's a great idea
i'll ask the mayor and parks director tonight

they will have to re-paint the yellow line too

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I wonder how many bullets in any condition one would have to find before a scam was obvious   
I mean really, you personally found ALL    of those bullets ?

I bet Knudsen walks around with a metal detector hoping to find a 'stray' bullet.

Ooh, ooh ... I found a stray bullet

Ooh, ooh ... I found a stray bullet

LOL!

Not sure about others, but if I were finding so many "stray" bullets, I'd be worried......maybe they aren't all really "strays!"  Maybe they were close misses!

Not sure about others, but if I were finding so many "stray" bullets, I'd be worried......maybe they aren't all really "strays!"  Maybe they were close misses!