Yeap,
Advertised unloaded  as 50oz , comes with non threaded barrels and 30 rd magazines.
Mags needs blocked if imported to Kawaii.

from suka's post on another tread

Sweet!

If anybody is still interested, I registered two Aero Precision AR lowers today and asked about registering lowers as pistols. The guy at the window had "the boss" lady talk to me. She told me Aero Precision lowers cannot be registered as a pistol because they offer only "rifle lowers". I would have to order an AR pistol lower like what SpeedTek said. She knew that the lowers for pistols and rifles are identical. If I did order a pistol lower, I would have the gun shop do the paper work as if I was buying a handgun, apply for the permit to acquire, wait the 14 days, pick up the permit and so on. I was waiting for her to tell me that assault pistols are illegal in Hawaii but she never did.

I was waiting for her to tell me that assault pistols are illegal in Hawaii but she never did.

My guess is enough people are building  and registering them to be very common nowadays.

Went to HPD today. Last week I was told that to register an AR lower as a pistol I had to get a pistol lower. I found this ATF letter on AR15.com and took it to the window and they had the boss review it. The officer at the window then told me ,okay, I can register any newly purchased AR lower as a pistol as long as it was never registered as a rifle.  As in my last post the paper work from the gun shop and the registration process would be the same as acquiring a handgun. So suka is correct. Does the mag have to be attached by a gunsmith or can I weld it myself? I am a very qualified welder.

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You can do it yourself.
I have figured out a way to load the mags without breaking the upper.
Pulling out the rear take down pin will wear out the hole.


Attach a rod to the follower, cut a hole in the mag.
Pull rod and drop in the rounds.

Not sure if it was mentioned before but could we use a device similar to the California bullet button so that we don't have to break the upper to load the magazine. Or is hawaiis wording different than California in regard to the magazine release?

The bullet button is CA DOJ approved with the use of a tool. They have a window to submit such innovations.


In interpreting HRS the term detachable , is the issue.
The bullet button still would allow the magazine to be remove, rendering the magazine able to be detached.

Same as a 14.5 barrel with extension, a set screw does not comply with a permenant 16" barrel.

Not sure if it was mentioned before but could we use a device similar to the California bullet button so that we don't have to break the upper to load the magazine. Or is hawaiis wording different than California in regard to the magazine release?

The bullet buttons, non-detachableness, comes from a California court case where the CA Dept. Of Justice basically said that it counted.  They later tried to take it back, but the government can't do that.   We don't have such a case; there is also some concern with requesting an opinion from the State attorney general, which is an option that I considered back in 2010.  We would have had a Senator request it, which would have required that the AG provide a response and definition that could be relied upon.

I like see a picture of someone's hawaii registration paperwork for these pistols.

A buddy of mine in Alaska has an ar pistol that he is actually looking to sell and I am headed up there for Christmas. It was originally purchased as an ar pistol. Would I be able to buy that, bring it home, have the magazine welded and register it as an out of state firearm?

A buddy of mine in Alaska has an ar pistol that he is actually looking to sell and I am headed up there for Christmas. It was originally purchased as an ar pistol. Would I be able to buy that, bring it home, have the magazine welded and register it as an out of state firearm?

Two problems you're going to face here.
First off, you won't be able to make the purchase face-to-face as a resident of Hawaii. It'll have to go through an FFL.
Secondly, you'll need to have it welded before it comes into your possession.

I like see a picture of someone's hawaii registration paperwork for these pistols.

It seems that you don't believe that this can be done.  There is nothing different here. Fixed is fixed.

Alaska does not have any laws against firearms transfers to anyone except the usual felons, prohibited persons etc....
Or federally under 18 USC 922
Thus, your friend can transfer it to you in AK and then fly it back.


However, it must be welded before it gets into hawaii.

Anyone build a pistol from an 80% lower?

Soon!
8 Rocket Hub unfinished billet lowers ordered at $25 each.
Plus 3 forged lowers 0% from DSA.

I just thought of this. I ordered two stripped non anodized AR lowers which I plan to weld the magazines in. I will be going through the process and registering these as pistols lowers. While I posses these stripped lowers before the magazines are permanently attached, if I have any "high capacity mags",  will I be guilty of a misdemeanor and if I insert a "high capacity mag" will it be a felony even if it's a stripped lower but registered as a pistol? I know this is getting into technicalities but I don't want to take any chances with my rights to own firearms. There's probably no definite answers but I want to hear opinions. Like I said, I don't want to take any chances with my rights to own fire arms and I would and scratch my plans if there's a chance I would be commiting a felony.   

A mag body without a follower and floor plate holds zero rounds.