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Tom

AOW
« on: January 10, 2014, 10:27:39 AM »
Hi,

In another thread, it was asserted that AOWs and DDs  are legal here in Hawaii.  Has anyone actually acquired one and gotten the Chief's signature on the NFA ATF forms?  Does he sign the forms?

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Tom
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: AOW
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2014, 12:21:56 PM »
Quote from: Tom on January 10, 2014, 10:27:39 AM
Hi,

In another thread, it was asserted that AOWs and DDs  are legal here in Hawaii.  Has anyone actually acquired one and gotten the Chief's signature on the NFA ATF forms?  Does he sign the forms?

--tom

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Individuals cannot own any NFA firearms which are kept within HI.
State and county law enforcement officers who are not convicted of an offense
involving abuse of a family or household member under 709-906 can own
and possess Silencers and Machine Guns and Short Barreled Shotguns (SBS) and
Short Barreled Rifles (SBR).

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In Hawaii you cannot own the following NFA restricted items.

    Silencers*
    Machine Guns*
    Short Barreled Shotguns (SBS)*
    Short Barreled Rifles (SBR)*
    Any Other Weapon (AOW)
    Destructive Devices (DD)

http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/any-other-weapons-aows/
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new guy

Re: AOW
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2014, 01:51:43 PM »
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Tom

Re: AOW
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2014, 02:36:05 PM »
Quote from: Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra on January 10, 2014, 12:21:56 PM
http://www.guntrustlawyer.com/any-other-weapons-aows/

Not sure this is correct.  A cane gun is NFA AOW but I don't see anything in the Hawaii statutes which prohibit it

   §134-8  Ownership, etc., of automatic firearms, silencers, etc., prohibited; penalties.  (a)  The manufacture, possession, sale, barter, trade, gift, transfer, or acquisition of any of the following is prohibited:  assault pistols, except as provided by section 134-4(e); automatic firearms; rifles with barrel lengths less than sixteen inches; shotguns with barrel lengths less than eighteen inches; cannons; mufflers, silencers, or devices for deadening or muffling the sound of discharged firearms; hand grenades, dynamite, blasting caps, bombs, or bombshells, or other explosives; or any type of ammunition or any projectile component thereof coated with teflon....
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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2014, 06:12:44 PM »
Certain AOW not meeting the terms of any restricted firearms are legal in hawaii.
Examples are the cane gun, belt gun, smooth ore handgun, handguns with a foregrip.

DD that is already registered with ATF (tax paid) do not require registration in hawaii thus legal to own.
Examples are 20mm, 40mm, 120mm, street sweeper.

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Tom

AOW
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2014, 06:57:12 PM »
Back to the original question;  will the police chiefs actually sign the atf form required for the stamp ?  Has anyone done this?  The signature is required for nfa aow, right?
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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2014, 08:04:39 PM »
Quote from: Tom on January 10, 2014, 06:57:12 PM
Back to the original question;  will the police chiefs actually sign the atf form required for the stamp ?  Has anyone done this?  The signature is required for nfa aow, right?
They will not sign!
Buy on Mainland , pay $5 to tranfer to a class 3 dealer in mainland , fly it back
Or
OGC is a 3 dealer and is able to also do. a transfer to a corp or trust.


« Last Edit: May 15, 2014, 11:31:11 PM by suka »
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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2014, 08:08:13 PM »
Corporations and Trust do not require a signature.
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Dblnaknak

Re: AOW
« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2014, 09:28:14 PM »
I can just see someone getting arrested because of the bad advise given in this forum.
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: AOW
« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2014, 09:42:38 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on January 10, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
I can just see someone getting arrested because of the bad advise given in this forum.

What do you mean "bad advice?"

You know you can't put anything on the Internet that isn't true ...

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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2014, 12:24:06 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on January 10, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
I can just see someone getting arrested because of the bad advise given in this forum.

Well if its bad advise you'll missing the fun of actually being able to shoot legal AOWs in Hawaii. If you do enough homework and discussion with NFA lawyers, it's pretty nice how poorly the law is written. And yes i do have a lawyer to back me up if my AOW was confiscated .

Belt  guns are actually so rare they are classified as C&R by the BATF.
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Dblnaknak

Re: AOW
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2014, 01:01:13 PM »
Quote from: suka on January 11, 2014, 12:24:06 PM
Well if its bad advise you'll missing the fun of actually being able to shoot legal AOWs in Hawaii. If you do enough homework and discussion with NFA lawyers, it's pretty nice how poorly the law is written. And yes i do have a lawyer to back me up if my AOW was confiscated .

Belt  guns are actually so rare they are classified as C&R by the BATF.

The golden question is, are you in Hawaii and is your AOW gun registered with HPD as a AOW?
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Q

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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2014, 02:22:04 PM »
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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2014, 04:38:34 PM »
Quote from: Q on January 11, 2014, 02:22:04 PM
Are you trying to get someone arrested and more heat put on the firearms community?

ALL firearms must be registered, period; unless they meet the description of those firearms that do not need to be registered, as outlined in HRS 134.

I suggest anyone wanting to follow these recommendations call HPD before you get your ass thrown in jail.
Read the law:

134-3(d)
     (d)  Registration shall not be required for:

     (1)  Any device that is designed to fire loose black powder or that is a firearm manufactured before 1899;

     (2)  Any device not designed to fire or made incapable of being readily restored to a firing condition; or

     (3)  All unserviceable firearms and destructive devices registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms of the United States Department of Justice pursuant to Title 27, Code of Federal Regulations.

   
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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2014, 04:42:04 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on January 11, 2014, 01:01:13 PM
The golden question is, are you in Hawaii and is your AOW gun registered with HPD as a AOW?
Registered as an AOW with ATF,
HPD can only recognize it as a pistol.
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Q

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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2014, 04:53:20 PM »
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« Last Edit: December 12, 2016, 12:17:51 AM by Q »
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Dblnaknak

Re: AOW
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2014, 12:32:44 AM »
Quote from: suka on January 11, 2014, 04:42:04 PM
Registered as an AOW with ATF,
HPD can only recognize it as a pistol.

Still didn't answer my question. Is it registered with hpd?
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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2014, 12:35:17 AM »
as a pistol with HPD
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: AOW
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2014, 01:25:22 AM »
Quote from: suka on January 12, 2014, 12:35:17 AM
as a pistol with HPD

I think most folks would be more inclined to believe what is being posted here if someone were to post pics of the actual pistol and a copy of the registration ... personal information redacted, of course.

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suka

Re: AOW
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2014, 01:54:31 AM »


Not mine,  but similar.
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