New Handgun Purchaser (Read 6646 times)

UsubM

New Handgun Purchaser
« on: January 13, 2014, 01:37:41 PM »
Hey everyone,

I'm new here, and I wanted some advice regarding the process of purchasing a handgun
It's a bit of a complex situation so try to bear with me for a just a little while

I'm 20 and won't turn 21 until April. I really want to purchase my own firearm, but I go to school in NY and my schedule, even during the summer, means that I'm not back from the mainland for any amount of time over a month or so (usually about 3 weeks during summer), but I'll be back in March for a week during spring break.

Is it possible for me to take the handgun safety class, given there's on scheduled, while I'm back in March (when I'll still be <21)?

Also, would it be realistic to apply for a permit, purchase a handgun, and register it within a 3-week period, given the 14 day waiting period, long lines at HPD, and all the other hoops we need to jump through?

I appreciate any feedback

Haoleb

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2014, 02:17:30 PM »
If you are only coming back for a week in march you can pretty much count that possibility out of getting one then. Do you have residency in Hawaii or NY? If NY then buy one there. You have to be a resident of whatever state you are going to buy it in. Private party transactions are a different story. In hawaii you still need to go through the whole BS permit process, in other states you can just buy it and go home no paperwork nothing. (not sure on NY state though as it is also very anti gun)

You only need to have a handgun course by a certified instructor, so you could take an NRA handgun course while you are in NY and it would meet the requirements back here provided there is live fire training. You could buy a handgun in a 3 week period provided you buy one that is in stock at the dealer so you don't have to wait for it to come in and as long as HPD doesn't screw up and take too long. Or its not some week full of silly holidays.

zippz

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2014, 04:50:44 PM »
You only need to have a handgun course by a certified instructor, so you could take an NRA handgun course while you are in NY and it would meet the requirements back here provided there is live fire training.

Not entirely true, the firearms instructor has to go over the Hawaii state laws with you which is possible if you direct him to the HPD website which lists the laws.

zippz

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2014, 04:57:53 PM »
Your plan is realistic if:you are a resident of Hawaii and you reserve a spot in a firearms safety class ahead of time, many of them fill up quickly.    Long lines at HPD aren't too bad nowadays, maybe an hour half waiting in line and processing at most, but you have to do this 3 times when you purchase a handgun.  Then you'll have to register your gun in New York, and obey their 7 round limit there.

bubba808

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2014, 05:13:50 PM »

Is it possible for me to take the handgun safety class, given there's on scheduled, while I'm back in March (when I'll still be <21)?
If you call and specifically ask for a certain scheduled class (in march) and get in, it is possible.  If you plan to "walk-in" might not have enough room so not guaranteed.

Also, would it be realistic to apply for a permit, purchase a handgun, and register it within a 3-week period, given the 14 day waiting period, long lines at HPD, and all the other hoops we need to jump through?
Yes, very realistic.  I just did it a couple times.  As long as your paperwork is in order and you have all your info, u should be good to go.
Good luck.  Make sure you have a safe place to store your gun after registering.
I appreciate any feedback

Haoleb

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2014, 07:00:35 PM »
Not entirely true, the firearms instructor has to go over the Hawaii state laws with you which is possible if you direct him to the HPD website which lists the laws.

I do not recall them going over the laws when I took my handgun course here in order to get my CWP for another state. Accoding to the law regarding the course:

  (4)  A firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that provides, at a minimum, a total of at least two hours of firing training at a firing range and a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:

         (A)  The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home; and

         (B)  Education on the firearm laws of the State.

          An affidavit signed by the certified firearms instructor who conducted or taught the course, providing the name, address, and phone number of the instructor and attesting to the successful completion of the course by the applicant shall constitute evidence of certified successful completion under this paragraph.


By law it does not have to include state laws, as it is written as may include not shall include so a NRA pistol course taken out of state would suffice.

Full law:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm

zippz

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2014, 07:22:18 PM »
I do not recall them going over the laws when I took my handgun course here in order to get my CWP for another state. Accoding to the law regarding the course:

  (4)  A firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that provides, at a minimum, a total of at least two hours of firing training at a firing range and a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:

         (A)  The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home; and

         (B)  Education on the firearm laws of the State.

          An affidavit signed by the certified firearms instructor who conducted or taught the course, providing the name, address, and phone number of the instructor and attesting to the successful completion of the course by the applicant shall constitute evidence of certified successful completion under this paragraph.


By law it does not have to include state laws, as it is written as may include not shall include so a NRA pistol course taken out of state would suffice.

Full law:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm

Pretty clear it has to include state laws.  If the instructor is not teaching you about state laws, it's not meeting the requirements of the law, and you will be really screwed for not knowing the laws.

at a minimum, a total of at least two hours of firing training at a firing range and a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:

         (A)  The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home; and

         (B)  Education on the firearm laws of the State.


I think you are confusing the v"may include a video".  The video part is optional.  The education in state law part is required.

Surf

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2014, 07:51:15 PM »
I do not recall them going over the laws when I took my handgun course here in order to get my CWP for another state. Accoding to the law regarding the course:

  (4)  A firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor or a certified military firearms instructor that provides, at a minimum, a total of at least two hours of firing training at a firing range and a total of at least four hours of classroom instruction, which may include a video, that focuses on:

         (A)  The safe use, handling, and storage of firearms and firearm safety in the home; and

         (B)  Education on the firearm laws of the State.

          An affidavit signed by the certified firearms instructor who conducted or taught the course, providing the name, address, and phone number of the instructor and attesting to the successful completion of the course by the applicant shall constitute evidence of certified successful completion under this paragraph.


By law it does not have to include state laws, as it is written as may include not shall include so a NRA pistol course taken out of state would suffice.

Full law:

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol03_Ch0121-0200D/HRS0134/HRS_0134-0002.htm

A concealed weapons permit for another state is not necessarily the same requirement as outlined in HRS 134-2 for a permit to acquire a handgun within the state.  As a part of the requirement of the 4 hours of classroom instruction there must be a block of construction that covers Hawaii State Firearms Laws contained within the Hawaii Revised Statutes section 134.  So if anyone providing training with a certificate to fulfill the HRS134-2 requirement and there is no block of instruction on Hawaii State firearms laws, then that certificate would technically not be valid and fulfil the laws requirement.

Haoleb

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2014, 10:05:16 PM »
Well upon further inspection of the issue I stand corrected. That is one thing I hate about reading legal crap. You have to read it 10 times to fully understand what they are trying to convey.

The class I  took was here in the state and it was a class for people getting their handgun permits. Luckily it also met the requirements for my CWP which was the real reason I took it as I have already taken the hunter education course years ago. I honestly do not recall them really going into any detail about the state laws except for maybe mentioning the process to acquire a firearm and traveling with it briefly.

hvybarrels

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2014, 12:08:56 AM »

You might be better off asking the person who you plan to take the course from. It's not a good idea to get legal advice on a forum. Also hopefully you have a good place to keep it here while you are gone. Don't fly to NY with guns. Port Authority can make your life hell if they feel like it.
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2014, 12:15:45 AM »
Hey everyone,

I'm new here, and I wanted some advice regarding the process of purchasing a handgun
It's a bit of a complex situation so try to bear with me for a just a little while

I'm 20 and won't turn 21 until April. I really want to purchase my own firearm, but I go to school in NY and my schedule, even during the summer, means that I'm not back from the mainland for any amount of time over a month or so (usually about 3 weeks during summer), but I'll be back in March for a week during spring break.

Is it possible for me to take the handgun safety class, given there's on scheduled, while I'm back in March (when I'll still be <21)?

Also, would it be realistic to apply for a permit, purchase a handgun, and register it within a 3-week period, given the 14 day waiting period, long lines at HPD, and all the other hoops we need to jump through?

I appreciate any feedback

Here is OGC Tactical's recent announcement with some good info:

https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=13022.0
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UsubM

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2014, 07:58:44 AM »
Thanks for all of the replies. I'm a resident of Hawaii and plan to keep the firearm with my family there until I move out of NY into somewhere hopefully more firearm friendly, so I don't want to mess with any of the laws over here.

I'll be on the lookout for class dates in March, and hopefully I could schedule one that fits in, and hopefully things could fall into place when I;m back later in the year.

It's a shame that this is such an involved process, but I guess I'll just have to deal with it for now.

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2014, 08:53:14 AM »
Thanks for all of the replies. I'm a resident of Hawaii and plan to keep the firearm with my family there until I move out of NY into somewhere hopefully more firearm friendly, so I don't want to mess with any of the laws over here.

I'll be on the lookout for class dates in March, and hopefully I could schedule one that fits in, and hopefully things could fall into place when I;m back later in the year.

It's a shame that this is such an involved process, but I guess I'll just have to deal with it for now.

You might need to reconsider this.  Hawaii law says you can't loan a handgun to anyone for any reason if you aren't accompanying them. 

One solution is to register the gun jointly, if HPD will let you (they may only allow married couples to do that??).  Another way is to have it registered to a family member (over 21, took the NRA course, and can pass the background check).  Then the family member can transfer to you when you move.  Having a handgun in their possession without them being the registered owner sounds risky.
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

zippz

Re: New Handgun Purchaser
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2014, 10:04:54 AM »
Well upon further inspection of the issue I stand corrected. That is one thing I hate about reading legal crap. You have to read it 10 times to fully understand what they are trying to convey.

The class I  took was here in the state and it was a class for people getting their handgun permits. Luckily it also met the requirements for my CWP which was the real reason I took it as I have already taken the hunter education course years ago. I honestly do not recall them really going into any detail about the state laws except for maybe mentioning the process to acquire a firearm and traveling with it briefly.

Those darn commas always mess people up

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