Glock 41 & 42

Pretty disappointed its a 380.  Would spring for one if it was a single stack 9

Still nice to see glock listening to consumers though

Pretty disappointed its a 380.  Would spring for one if it was a single stack 9

Still nice to see glock listening to consumers though

Actually, if you read the comments on websites where the G42 was announced, the overwhelming majority of customers are PO'ed! 

General consensus is, the .380 is not the caliber customers wanted to see in this size Glock.  They want a 9mm, similar to the S&W M&P 9 Shield.

Rationale is, 9mm ammo has advanced technologically where it is as good as a .40S&W, and it even rivals the ballistics results of .45ACP. 

If Glock were truly listening, I think they would have heard "9mm". not ".380."

BTW, I tend to agree.  I was looking at the M&P Shield, but waited because of rumors I heard about the "smallest of the Glocks."  I'm again leaning toward the M&P.

Actually, if you read the comments on websites where the G42 was announced, the overwhelming majority of customers are PO'ed! 

General consensus is, the .380 is not the caliber customers wanted to see in this size Glock.  They want a 9mm, similar to the S&W M&P 9 Shield.

Rationale is, 9mm ammo has advanced technologically where it is as good as a .40S&W, and it even rivals the ballistics results of .45ACP. 

If Glock were truly listening, I think they would have heard "9mm". not ".380."

BTW, I tend to agree.  I was looking at the M&P Shield, but waited because of rumors I heard about the "smallest of the Glocks."  I'm again leaning toward the M&P.

Considering Hawaii's carry law, why do people buy these small pistols.  Not trying to be a dick because if we could carry I'd love to have an M&P Shield but for a range gun these seem pretty close to useless.

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Maybe it's an indictment on my shooting cause I cant hit anything past 25 yards with short barrels.

Considering Hawaii's carry law, why do people buy these small pistols.  Not trying to be a dick because if we could carry I'd love to have an M&P Shield but for a range gun these seem pretty close to useless.

Well, that depends on your personal situation.  In my case:

1.  I just got back into shooting after a really long break, and I'm trying out a broad range of gun types, calibers, and manufacturers.  .380 is still on my "to do" list.  Isn't that what hobbies are for?  Trying new things? 

2.  I usually take my daughters or friends from my office to the range with me.  In the hands of a novice, or someone with less hand & wrist strength, a .380 might be manageable whereas a 9mm isn't for some beginners.  Case in point, my daughter initially had a tough time with the G26.  Her limp-wristing was causing too many misfeeds and FTEs.  Same problem with my Sig P226.  She improved with practice, but I'm willing to see if the .380 is more to her liking.  Of course, the .22 pistols are no problem for her.  Just to try another 9mm, I bought a G17 over the holiday.  Still need to make it to the range when it opens again to see how she likes it.

3.  I travel to locations that allow Constitutional open carry.  They also accept non-resident, out-of-state CCW licenses.  So, my Maine CCW permit is good in some states I frequent, like NC.  Open carry or keeping my gun in the car while driving is okay most times, but it's not ideal when out walking in public.

4.  My two daughters also travel.  When I think they are ready and capable, I intend to transfer a handgun to each -- probably very soon.  Then, if they decide to get a non-resident CCW permit, they will have the option to carry when they travel or not.

5.  If you like collecting Glocks, this is another model you just have to buy!   

After checking out the SHOT Show reviews, and getting an OGC tweet that 4 are arriving Saturday, I decided to go for it. 

My G42 will be our first .380.  Whether it's a backup or pocket gun, or just a home defense gun the girls feel comfortable shooting, I'm sure it will have a purpose.

These are my reasons and justifications.  If none of this applies to you, or you still don't see the utility in it, that's fine, too.

Now I need to start stocking up on yet ANOTHER caliber of ammo!!  :|

Well, that depends on your personal situation.  In my case:


2.  I usually take my daughters or friends from my office to the range with me.  In the hands of a novice, or someone with less hand & wrist strength, a .380 might be manageable whereas a 9mm isn't for some beginners.  Case in point, my daughter initially had a tough time with the G26.  Her limp-wristing was causing too many misfeeds and FTEs.  Same problem with my Sig P226.  She improved with practice, but I'm willing to see if the .380 is more to her liking.  Of course, the .22 pistols are no problem for her.  Just to try another 9mm, I bought a G17 over the holiday.  Still need to make it to the range when it opens again to see how she likes it.

My G42 will be our first .380.  Whether it's a backup or pocket gun, or just a home defense gun the girls feel comfortable shooting, I'm sure it will have a purpose.

Interested in your opinion after shooting the G42. 

I was in the same boat years ago and bought my first .380, a Ruger LCP for carry (in a free state)  and for the wife. I like it, but the wife hated to shoot it because these little .380 "mouse" guns kick like a mother.

Changing the springs helps a little, but the small frames dont contribute to nice recoil.

Post a review if you can.

Interested in your opinion after shooting the G42. 

I was in the same boat years ago and bought my first .380, a Ruger LCP for carry (in a free state)  and for the wife. I like it, but the wife hated to shoot it because these little .380 "mouse" guns kick like a mother.

Changing the springs helps a little, but the small frames dont contribute to nice recoil.

Post a review if you can.

Will do. 

My experience with the G26 and G30 have been very positive.  The slide sits close to the your hand which helps reduce muzzle flip.  If the G42 is made the same way, I think it'll work out fine.

As a matter of fact, in one Hickok45 video, he compares the G30 .45ACP with the G27 .40S&W.  He thinks the 45 cal has less felt recoil than the 40 cal:



Go to Timestamp:  30:44

He didn't really go into which generation models he was shooting, so he might be comparing an older G27 to a newer G30 (?).   The point being, if Glock can design a 45 to have less felt recoil than a 40, then I'm optimistic they can reduce felt recoil in a .380, too!

No matter what, it'll be different!  Less than a pound fully loaded, less than an inch wide, and the Glock reputation!   

Will do. 

My experience with the G26 and G30 have been very positive.  The slide sits close to the your hand which helps reduce muzzle flip.  If the G42 is made the same way, I think it'll work out fine.

As a matter of fact, in one Hickok45 video, he compares the G30 .45ACP with the G27 .40S&W.  He thinks the 45 cal has less felt recoil than the 40 cal:



Go to Timestamp:  30:44

He didn't really go into which generation models he was shooting, so he might be comparing an older G27 to a newer G30 (?).   The point being, if Glock can design a 45 to have less felt recoil than a 40, then I'm optimistic they can reduce felt recoil in a .380, too!

No matter what, it'll be different!  Less than a pound fully loaded, less than an inch wide, and the Glock reputation!   

Funny you mention the G27, that was my other carry piece. The G27 is a nice shooter and if the frame dimensions of the G41 stay the same, I don't think there will be any issues. When you get into the Ruger LCP frame size, you get the snappy recoil.

Like you said, Glock probably won't disappoint.

3.  I travel to locations that allow Constitutional open carry.  They also accept non-resident, out-of-state CCW licenses.  So, my Maine CCW permit is good in some states I frequent, like NC.  Open carry or keeping my gun in the car while driving is okay most times, but it's not ideal when out walking in public.

Never thought of travelling that way, cool.  I really like the Glock 41.

I'm... underwhelmed.

I feel people have been shying away more and more from the .380 since the introduction of many quality single stack 9mm that are not that much bigger than .380's. 

Smith and Wesson put out the shield.  Great success.  Springfield put out the Xds.  Great success.  I don't understand why glock is so out of touch of what has been selling so well for their competitors. 

The 41 is, cool I guess.  I like longslide glocks.  I really wish they would put out a 6 inch longslide version of their 10mm glock 20.  Its becoming a much more popular hunting and wild game defense round.  I know lone wolf puts out longer barrels and slides, but it would be so much easier to buy it from the factory the way I want it.

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I'm... underwhelmed.

I feel people have been shying away more and more from the .380 since the introduction of many quality single stack 9mm that are not that much bigger than .380's. 

Smith and Wesson put out the shield.  Great success.  Springfield put out the Xds.  Great success.  I don't understand why glock is so out of touch of what has been selling so well for their competitors. 

The 41 is, cool I guess.  I like longslide glocks.  I really wish they would put out a 6 inch longslide version of their 10mm glock 20.  Its becoming a much more popular hunting and wild game defense round.  I know lone wolf puts out longer barrels and slides, but it would be so much easier to buy it from the factory the way I want it.

I had that same impression, but the more info I dig up on .380 pocket guns, the more it makes sense.  The kick of a 9mm is enough that a small pocket gun might be unmanageable for someone with smallish or not-too-strong hands.  The kick of a .380 is much less than the 9mm, from reviews and videos I've watched. 

I may pick up a 9mm M&P Shield soon and compare them personally, but I trust the comparisons I've seen online enough to believe the difference in felt recoil is very noticeable. 

There is never a 'best gun" out there.  It's all about compromise, practice, and personal preference.  For CCW, the best gun is the one you will carry.  If that means a Shield or G42 size gun, then it is what it is.  Based on that size gun, the kick will be a bit more than, say, a G17.  Some people will handle that, others can't or prefer not to.

I'm not too keen on having to buy yet another caliber of ammo, but I'm willing to try the G42 out.  If I can't see the benefits compared to having a 9mm, I don't think I'll have a problem getting rid of it!