NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL (Read 28940 times)

bpries

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #40 on: November 28, 2011, 10:14:49 PM »
my backup plans include 230gr JHP moving at 1000fps

Where are you getting this backup plan from? You reloading that yourself or relying on factory +P. Not trying to be a smart@ss, just wondering if you have an actual recipe or are you rounding up?
^^^^

I was thinking of asking the same question. That would be a nice recipe to have! :)

lol you got me with my horrible math skills. i'm quite certain i'd be getting calls from all sorts of manufacturers if i did find a secret blend for that exact power.

Sorry to jump back off topic but this peaked my interest because I reload.
Hornady S&W 500 cartridge: 300gr FTX w/ 49gr of Lil' Gun Powder shoots at 2000 FPS = 2428ft-lb of energy at 25 yards
 ;D

clshade

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #41 on: November 28, 2011, 10:46:23 PM »
^^^^^

 :o

Has anyone measured the ft-lbs of energy delivered to one's wrist?!

:)

bpries

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #42 on: November 29, 2011, 06:48:10 AM »
Yes they have! According to this guys calculations a .308 can kick about as hard as a .44 magnum. Check it out.

http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/August01.htm

GZire

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #43 on: November 29, 2011, 10:22:43 AM »
Yes they have! According to this guys calculations a .308 can kick about as hard as a .44 magnum. Check it out.

http://www.loadammo.com/Topics/August01.htm

No listing for the T-Rex? :shake:

bass monkey

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #44 on: November 29, 2011, 10:53:14 AM »
Terry i checked out that legislature stuff.  It doesn't appear that we have that here in Hawaii but the website is extremely confusing and when calling they just keep you on hold, probably just waiting for you to hang up.

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Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #45 on: November 29, 2011, 03:35:34 PM »
Okay, thanks.  Too bad. 

I only came back to this thread to post this:



Funtimes, i hate to make personal responses because they can be miscontrued as an attack unless they are positive in nature.  I did make oblique reference to a prior set of remarks by you, but they may have been in a separate thread and you may not have seen them.  You cited laws and court cases and whatnot supporting so-called "reasonable" gun control, and I cited my sig line, which I feel strongly overrides any laws, or, for that matter, court cases. 

So I find that our differences are a result of differences in ingrained (or perhaps innate) philosophies.  I am for the independent, self-sufficient sort of man which the Founders were and had in mind in our new government, and this is apparently reflected in our respective outlooks on gun control.   

These differences are apparently not subject to compromise.  I look at things one way, and if someone wants to be contentious about my point of view and wish to support their point of view with point-by-point analysis, that's fine, but life's too short for me to deal with anything but the grand scheme of things, rather than with how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, as one would in an academic environment.  If you have a problem with what I say, fine.  You may dismiss it and me out of hand as a raving lunatic, or you can assume I have enough experience, judgement, and wisdom to speak, not with "auth-or-i-tay," but with a sensitivitiy borne of long experience.

As an example, a while ago I made a remark on another board about how higher sights over a gun barrel give the firearm an apparently flatter trajectory.  I got grief from somebody about how that was impossible.  "Trajectory is trajectory," was the way he put it and went on at length as to how he was an expert rifleman, etc, etc.

I walked away from that one because I felt it was up to him to compare the points of impact at various ranges  with varying sight heights and varying range zeroing.  Hell, I wasn't going to do his homework for him.

However, with respect to "well-regulated," I feel loquacious  this evening, so I'll point out that meanings change over the centuries, and prior connotative meanings are not necessarily carried through history to modern dictionaries. These are mainly concerned with denotative meanings, not the subtle nuances of word usages which are more difficult to find, and lie more in the realm of semantics and developmental linguistics, not lexicography. 

I found your quotation from Blackstone kind of amusing, since I did the subtraction.  The quote is from a 1920 edition, and the Constitution was finally ratified in 1779.  That's almost a century and a half apart, and while Blackstone originally wrote just about the time of the American Revolution, I hardly think he or later editors would be concerned about a secondary or connotative meaning of "regulation" outside of the context of what he was apparently writing about, that is, legal regulation under the authority of law.

But "regulation" and "well-regulated" have an additional meaning which has rarely been transmitted to this day, except possibly in the world of watchmaking, where "regulating" a watch means to prepare it for accurate use.

Consider the cold chisel you bought at the hardware store yesterday to cut some rebar flush with the concrete in which it is embedded.  The cold chisel performs admirably, and does not dull with its use on the rebar.  Obviously, it was well-tempered at the factory, with just the right amount of hardness at the tip to perform the cutting action, but softer and more ductile up the shank, where hammer blows would shatter it.

Consider a man who is relatively unflappable, and exhibits a good humor in difficult situations.  We could call him well-tempered, as well.

But also consider a piano which has been tuned so that the twelve notes per octave are tuned in such a way that it is possible to play music in most major or minor keys and it will not sound perceptibly out of tune.  This is a "well-tempered" piano.

Would you use that phrase that way nowadays if you were not a musician?  Of course not, and the term "well-tempered" might well have fallen out of use if it were not for Bach's writing of "The Well-Tempered Clavier (German: Das Wohltemperierte Klavier)."

Hell's bells, you wouldn't even use the term Clavier any more.

So words may have denotative, connotative and semantic loadings and meanings  far beyond what are found in modern dictionaries.

I close with this:

http://www.constitution.org/cons/wellregu.htm

And I am done with this subject.

Terry, "Well-Tempered," 230RN
« Last Edit: November 29, 2011, 04:26:16 PM by 230RN »
I do believe that the radical and crazy notion that the Founders meant what they said, is gradually soaking through the judicial system.

Kingkeoni

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #46 on: November 29, 2011, 04:30:33 PM »
This subject makes me kench. It is just so ludibrious.
Thou art finished with this subject?
Thus, thy shall not entertain responses?
You have jargogled me to the point that I'm malagrugrous.
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clshade

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #47 on: November 29, 2011, 07:14:02 PM »
Great post and link, Terry. Thanks. That perfectly answered my question.

Funtimes

Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2011, 07:50:34 AM »
*sigh* Still can't answer a few simple questions in the spirit of debate eh?

And, there is no personal attack, forums are for discussion. I just want to know where you stand on those questions I asked you. I also don't think there is are any issues with equivocation in those terms. I'm trying to give you an opportunity to prove me wrong, and possibly change my outlook. However, you appear to be quite determined in not assisting me.


More on the words as well, you can talk about Blackstone being out of date, but Sam Johnson's early 1800's dictionary also has the same exact terms and words. As far as your "regular" army, that also means to "be governed by strict regulations." 
See A dictionary of the English language Samuel Johnson, John Walker - 1828
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Re: NRA POST: PRESIDENT OBAMA AND GUN CONTROL
« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2011, 07:44:45 PM »
http://washington.cbslocal.com/2011/12/01/new-gun-company-advertisement-compares-obama-to-hitler-stalin/

"WASHINGTON, D.C. (CBS Washington) — A gun company advertisement that warns of impending gun control compares President Obama to Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin.

The USAAmmo ad shows side-by-side pictures of Obama with Hitler, Stalin and other dictators who committed atrocities across the world. The ad, which is also accompanied by a video, warns that gun control is imminent and foreshadows that the U.S. could face millions in casualties if they are not allowed to defend themselves.

USAAmmo states that “tyranny is knocking down the doors of American cities daily” and that Obama, Attorney General Eric Holder and other gun control advocates “are secretly conspiring American Citizens of the right to bear arms.”

Trace Williams, director of operations for USAAmmo, defended the ad that was emailed Monday. He told CBS Washington that “Obama and his various czars are infringing on the rights of Americans to own guns.”

“He’s anti-gun and he’s obviously a socialist cramming health care down American’s throats,” Williams said. “That is exactly how those people in that ad rose to power.”

Williams told CBS Washington that he doesn’t regret comparing Obama to those dictators and that his company has received “unbelievable support” since the ad was put out.

“Just look at history. Obama’s socialist agenda is geared toward depriving American citizens of their God-given rights.” He also added that sales have gone “through the roof.”

Obama promised stricter gun control laws following the January Tucson shooting where Rep. Gabby Giffords was seriously injured and six others were killed.

CBS Washington has reached out to the White House for comment."

Spirited discussion going on here:  http://sigforum.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/320601935/m/5100031272?r=7920061272#7920061272

My personal feeling is they are exercising their First Ammendment right and that I find "the Messiah" to be a rabid Socialist regardless of how much he denies it.  I also see him as the figurehead puppet propped up by the Democratic heavies to push their agenda and they struck while the iron was hot.  The MSM had done its part to villify Bush and played the "ace" that was the race card.  I see no disrespect of the office just the individual currently occupying it.  When one disregards the Constitution the way he and his administration with their Congressional counterparts have, I have nothing but contempt for these individuals.

Think it's not so bad?  Why are they prostituting Congresswoman Giffords the way they are?I truly hope she continues to recover and will one day be able to perform her duties for which she was elected.  However, she has been absent for a long time and her seat has not been filled by a replacement.  SHe is not currently capable or has demonstrated the cognisant abilities to pwerform the functions for which she was elected and yet the Democrats see fit to parade her around as the latest in a line of "poster children" to support their anti 2A agenda.  They do NOT understand that regardless the amount of laws they put on the books in every jusrisdiction and every level of government......Laws affect the Law Abiding and "Gun Control" is purely a fallacy until you can get ALL the criminals to give theirs up.  Such blind Utopianism is what lays the foundation to absolute bans and leads to the tyranny that the Founding Fathers deliberately penned the Articles of the Constitution to prevent.
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