HK neighborhood board meeting summary (Read 9720 times)

edster48

HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« on: January 29, 2014, 08:08:10 AM »
Good morning!
Last night I went to the Hawaii Kai neighborhood board meeting, I had hoped to see more of us there, but I can understand the compulsion to avoid mind numbing boredom.

I was joined by one fellow member, however as I'm sworn to secrecy, I can only say that he can be identified by his "unusual" shooting stance, and a penchant for funny hats. ;)

The following is a brief summary;

Fire dept. report: Listed number of emergency calls, fires, rescues. Extolled the virtues of microwave safety. Speaker was questioned by Paige Altonn as to how many rescues occurred on Koko Head trail, he claimed "uhh, I don't know". Further discussion on the subject was stifled by Mr. Knudsen.

HPD report: Listed number of stolen cars, b&e's, thefts, etc. Were chastised by the board for the lack of detailed info, they practically ran from the room.

Sen. Slom  passed out a flier with all of his proposed legislation and his stances on different subjects. He spoke about several different things, mostly the Pono Choices curriculum. As one of his subjects was about the Castle Doctrine, board member Carl Makino asked "what is that?" Hard to believe he's that uninformed.

Rep. Theilen reminded us about the fact that many bills will be carried over this session, something to keep in mind as many of them will effect us. She also informed us that the revenue outlook had been downgraded from the Governors rosy projection, and that it will likely be downgraded again.

Rep. Ward offered congrats to The Mayor for completing the work at KHSC under the projected timeline. Town hall meeting with him and Rep. Theilen on 2/20/14, and a beer summit at Kona Brewery HK on 2/6/14.

The Mayors rep. [ I forgot to write his name down, I'll get it next meeting]  discussed the improvements at the range, berm, eyebrow, etc. He noted that the contaminate level, measured during construction, was negligible, and repeated that the cost was 94k. Once again, Paige Altonn spoke up and asked about the determination of where the "magic bullet" had come from and asked that this info be made public. Kudos Ms. Altonn!

Mr. Knudsen took over the discussion at this point, and his signals were mixed. He actually pushed for the restrooms at the range to be repaired [ !!?!!] And espoused about future improvements to the range! After that he quickly fell back into form, pointing out that further work will require more testing, asking about the safety of metal targets, the removal of targets beyond 100yds. He also used a quote from this site about "bullets suddenly raining from the sky" and referenced that these incidents have been documented since 1992. He further claimed that " it only takes a 25-30 degree angle of fire to clear the mountain" while he was speaking poorly of the new eyebrow extension. Also mentioned was the fact that in 2001 3.4 million was supposedly planned for improvements to the range, the first I'd heard of it. Mr. Ron Livingston [ hope I got that right] from the HRA spoke in defense of the improvements and the safety of metal targets when hung properly.

After Mr. Livingston spoke, Knudsen basically called out myself and the person I was with to speak. As I haven't gathered enough evidence and was just there to observe and report [ this time] I declined as did my partner. I'm not sure how he knew we were "gun guys". I can only assume that he recognized the member that was with me, as I tend to blend in like a chameleon. Next time Mr. Knudsen.

                                                                                                                                                      :shaka:
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2014, 08:27:57 AM »

After Mr. Livingston spoke, Knudsen basically called out myself and the person I was with to speak. As I haven't gathered enough evidence and was just there to observe and report [ this time] I declined as did my partner. I'm not sure how he knew we were "gun guys". I can only assume that he recognized the member that was with me, as I tend to blend in like a chameleon. Next time Mr. Knudsen.

                                                                                                                                                      :shaka:

"my partner"?
that will keep our friend happy, seeing how he supported the special session results

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2014, 08:43:24 AM »
Good morning!
Last night I went to the Hawaii Kai neighborhood board meeting, I had hoped to see more of us there, but I can understand the compulsion to avoid mind numbing boredom.

I was joined by one fellow member, however as I'm sworn to secrecy, I can only say that he can be identified by his "unusual" shooting stance, and a penchant for funny hats. ;)

The following is a brief summary;

Fire dept. report: Listed number of emergency calls, fires, rescues. Extolled the virtues of microwave safety. Speaker was questioned by Paige Altonn as to how many rescues occurred on Koko Head trail, he claimed "uhh, I don't know". Further discussion on the subject was stifled by Mr. Knudsen.

HPD report: Listed number of stolen cars, b&e's, thefts, etc. Were chastised by the board for the lack of detailed info, they practically ran from the room.

Sen. Slom  passed out a flier with all of his proposed legislation and his stances on different subjects. He spoke about several different things, mostly the Pono Choices curriculum. As one of his subjects was about the Castle Doctrine, board member Carl Makino asked "what is that?" Hard to believe he's that uninformed.

Rep. Theilen reminded us about the fact that many bills will be carried over this session, something to keep in mind as many of them will effect us. She also informed us that the revenue outlook had been downgraded from the Governors rosy projection, and that it will likely be downgraded again.

Rep. Ward offered congrats to The Mayor for completing the work at KHSC under the projected timeline. Town hall meeting with him and Rep. Theilen on 2/20/14, and a beer summit at Kona Brewery HK on 2/6/14.

The Mayors rep. [ I forgot to write his name down, I'll get it next meeting]  discussed the improvements at the range, berm, eyebrow, etc. He noted that the contaminate level, measured during construction, was negligible, and repeated that the cost was 94k. Once again, Paige Altonn spoke up and asked about the determination of where the "magic bullet" had come from and asked that this info be made public. Kudos Ms. Altonn!

Mr. Knudsen took over the discussion at this point, and his signals were mixed. He actually pushed for the restrooms at the range to be repaired [ !!?!!] And espoused about future improvements to the range! After that he quickly fell back into form, pointing out that further work will require more testing, asking about the safety of metal targets, the removal of targets beyond 100yds. He also used a quote from this site about "bullets suddenly raining from the sky" and referenced that these incidents have been documented since 1992. He further claimed that " it only takes a 25-30 degree angle of fire to clear the mountain" while he was speaking poorly of the new eyebrow extension. Also mentioned was the fact that in 2001 3.4 million was supposedly planned for improvements to the range, the first I'd heard of it. Mr. Ron Livingston [ hope I got that right] from the HRA spoke in defense of the improvements and the safety of metal targets when hung properly.

After Mr. Livingston spoke, Knudsen basically called out myself and the person I was with to speak. As I haven't gathered enough evidence and was just there to observe and report [ this time] I declined as did my partner. I'm not sure how he knew we were "gun guys". I can only assume that he recognized the member that was with me, as I tend to blend in like a chameleon. Next time Mr. Knudsen.

                                                                                                                                                      :shaka:

ron livingston is correct, i believe

Haoleb

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2014, 08:46:21 AM »
Neighborhood board meeting... fire dept comes to talk about microwave safety?! LOL ahh man. Humans are some kind of stupid these days. And to think people wonder why some of us just want to live as far away as possible from other people. 

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2014, 08:53:53 AM »
Sen. Slom  passed out a flier with all of his proposed legislation and his stances on different subjects. He spoke about several different things, mostly the Pono Choices curriculum. As one of his subjects was about the Castle Doctrine, board member Carl Makino asked "what is that?" Hard to believe he's that uninformed.

it was interesting that he chose to ask about only one thing, and that was the castle doctrine
there's no way that wasn't intentional, because something like that is easily googleable
sen slom had a list almost a page long, and it contained a bill entitled "revenge porn" and mr makino didn't ask about that

aieahound

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2014, 08:55:26 AM »
Thanks for the report  Edster.   

Can't believe Knudsen actually called you out.
Tell Ma...Oh I mean your anonymous partner to stop wearing those crazy hats !

Maybe Makino is familiar with revenge porn.
« Last Edit: January 29, 2014, 09:16:04 AM by aieahound »

Pizzo

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2014, 08:55:57 AM »
Great report Edster48, thanx for the update!!  :shaka:

Too bad you weren't ready for the Knudster, I'm sure you're next meeting will be different!!  ;D

edster48

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2014, 08:59:48 AM »
Great report Edster48, thanx for the update!!  :shaka:

Too bad you weren't ready for the Knudster, I'm sure you're next meeting will be different!!  ;D

Count on it, just getting a feel for things. Revenge porn perhaps?  >:D
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

bass monkey

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2014, 09:01:27 AM »
Interesting that the main focus of the board meeting is the range, with everything else going on in the neighborhood.

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2014, 09:16:53 AM »
Interesting that the main focus of the board meeting is the range, with everything else going on in the neighborhood.

naw
there was a ton of other stuff
the range just took up a lot of the time

the focus was mostly road and sidewalk safety
and the dumping of the materials in the "cemetery" in behind mariner's cove

jimsaloha

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2014, 10:42:08 AM »
Good morning!
Last night I went to the Hawaii Kai neighborhood board meeting, I had hoped to see more of us there, but I can understand the compulsion to avoid mind numbing boredom.

I was joined by one fellow member, however as I'm sworn to secrecy, I can only say that he can be identified by his "unusual" shooting stance, and a penchant for funny hats. ;)

The following is a brief summary;

Fire dept. report: Listed number of emergency calls, fires, rescues. Extolled the virtues of microwave safety. Speaker was questioned by Paige Altonn as to how many rescues occurred on Koko Head trail, he claimed "uhh, I don't know". Further discussion on the subject was stifled by Mr. Knudsen.

HPD report: Listed number of stolen cars, b&e's, thefts, etc. Were chastised by the board for the lack of detailed info, they practically ran from the room.

Sen. Slom  passed out a flier with all of his proposed legislation and his stances on different subjects. He spoke about several different things, mostly the Pono Choices curriculum. As one of his subjects was about the Castle Doctrine, board member Carl Makino asked "what is that?" Hard to believe he's that uninformed.

Rep. Theilen reminded us about the fact that many bills will be carried over this session, something to keep in mind as many of them will effect us. She also informed us that the revenue outlook had been downgraded from the Governors rosy projection, and that it will likely be downgraded again.

Rep. Ward offered congrats to The Mayor for completing the work at KHSC under the projected timeline. Town hall meeting with him and Rep. Theilen on 2/20/14, and a beer summit at Kona Brewery HK on 2/6/14.

The Mayors rep. [ I forgot to write his name down, I'll get it next meeting]  discussed the improvements at the range, berm, eyebrow, etc. He noted that the contaminate level, measured during construction, was negligible, and repeated that the cost was 94k. Once again, Paige Altonn spoke up and asked about the determination of where the "magic bullet" had come from and asked that this info be made public. Kudos Ms. Altonn!

Mr. Knudsen took over the discussion at this point, and his signals were mixed. He actually pushed for the restrooms at the range to be repaired [ !!?!!] And espoused about future improvements to the range! After that he quickly fell back into form, pointing out that further work will require more testing, asking about the safety of metal targets, the removal of targets beyond 100yds. He also used a quote from this site about "bullets suddenly raining from the sky" and referenced that these incidents have been documented since 1992. He further claimed that " it only takes a 25-30 degree angle of fire to clear the mountain" while he was speaking poorly of the new eyebrow extension. Also mentioned was the fact that in 2001 3.4 million was supposedly planned for improvements to the range, the first I'd heard of it. Mr. Ron Livingston [ hope I got that right] from the HRA spoke in defense of the improvements and the safety of metal targets when hung properly.

After Mr. Livingston spoke, Knudsen basically called out myself and the person I was with to speak. As I haven't gathered enough evidence and was just there to observe and report [ this time] I declined as did my partner. I'm not sure how he knew we were "gun guys". I can only assume that he recognized the member that was with me, as I tend to blend in like a chameleon. Next time Mr. Knudsen.

                                                                                                                                                      :shaka:
Thank you for your report.

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2014, 10:56:26 AM »
it was interesting that he chose to ask about only one thing, and that was the castle doctrine
there's no way that wasn't intentional, because something like that is easily googleable
sen slom had a list almost a page long, and it contained a bill entitled "revenge porn" and mr makino didn't ask about that

i was wrong
sen slom's list was a page and a half long, and the board member's only question was about the castle doctrine
the list included:
termination of parental rights:incest
unwarranted surveillance: unmanned aircraft system prohibition and exemptions
electric companies: deregulation
initiative, referendum, recall
unmanned aerial vehicles: ban on surveillance by drones
reapportionment: transparency
UH board of regents

the question had to have been said on purpose
there are way more pressing issues he could've asked about

K30l4

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2014, 11:08:52 AM »
Mac, thanks for the info. Sam's list of things interest me. Especially the one's pertaining to the drone project. Maybe even revenge porn. :-\ happy Aloha Wednesday.

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2014, 11:19:23 AM »
Mac, thanks for the info. Sam's list of things interest me. Especially the one's pertaining to the drone project. Maybe even revenge porn. :-\ happy Aloha Wednesday.

Town hall meeting with him and Rep. Theilen on 2/20/14, and a beer summit at Kona Brewery HK on 2/6/14.

i think people should consider attending these events

Rocky

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2014, 11:24:56 AM »
Town hall meeting with him and Rep. Theilen on 2/20/14, and a beer summit at Kona Brewery HK on 2/6/14.

i think people should consider attending these events

Brewery ?
I'm in  :thumbsup:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2014, 11:30:15 AM »
Mac, thanks for the info. Sam's list of things interest me. Especially the one's pertaining to the drone project. Maybe even revenge porn. :-\ happy Aloha Wednesday.

http://senateminority.wordpress.com/information/

macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2014, 11:32:17 AM »
Brewery ?
I'm in  :thumbsup:

the HRA leadership shows up for sen slom's events
jl808 went to his new year fundraiser on jan 11
i think we should get a group together and attend

Jl808

HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2014, 11:49:17 AM »
Count me in. However, I think where we can make a bigger difference is in talking to our own legislators as a group and educating them of the facts.

How much support will we actually have if we only meet and preach to the choir?
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macsak

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2014, 11:59:59 AM »

Count me in. However, I think where we can make a bigger difference is in talking to our own legislators as a group and educating them of the facts.

How much support will we actually have if we only meet and preach to the choir?

Good point, jl

Rocky

Re: HK neighborhood board meeting summary
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2014, 12:15:50 PM »
After Mr. Livingston spoke, Knudsen basically called out myself and the person I was with to speak. As I haven't gathered enough evidence and was just there to observe and report [ this time] I declined as did my partner. I'm not sure how he knew we were "gun guys". I can only assume that he recognized the member that was with me, as I tend to blend in like a chameleon. Next time Mr. Knudsen.

Even though KHSC was on the agenda....
NEW BUSINESS
            8.1.      Discussion/Action on the Status of Safety Improvements at Koko Head Shooting Complex (including the temporary closure of the range, specific improvements being made, environmental precautions being taken, current project costs, restrictions on the distance of permitted targets and use of metal targets, and plans for additional safety as well as facility improvements)


These are the only topics on the agenda regarding KHSC.
Discussion of any other "status" other  than the "including" above is a violation.

The agenda must list all of the business to be considered by
the board at the meeting. It must be sufficiently detailed so as
to provide the public with adequate notice of the matters that
the board will consider so that the public can choose whether
to participate.
[/b]

As you were not on the agenda as speakers, he had no authority to call upon you to speak.   :wacko:
By merely calling upon you to speak, you no longer had a choice to participate, you were a participant.
This could easily be a violation of the NCO !    :wtf:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt