Registering AR (or whatever we're going to call them) lower receivers as pistols (Read 46597 times)

Kanakamaoli23

Btw I'm not advising the use of a bipod grip, I wouldn't put any type of foregrip personally.

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Vertical foregrips are a big no-no with the ATF. Angled foregrips were okay the last time I checked. With any of these areas you have any question at all about the legality, I'd suggest writing the BATFE as dogman did. You can lay out your desired setup and ask them for an opinion if that is a legal configuration. Then save that letter, in case you have any problems in the future.
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.  Come to think of it, I know that short barreled, suppressors and full auto is banned by name in the HRS 134, I don't know if AOWs are..  This might be a totally legal option but would still required a $200 tax stamp…  Im going to look。
Cater,
AOW are legal and are only $5 to transfer.
$200 is a manufature tax.
 Is for individual manufacture not under a SOT.
Since OGC has an SOT their is no tax and would tranfer to the owner for $5 .

suka

Which mean I walk in and say put this fore grip on my pistol. OGC manufactures it under its SOT.
I get the paperwork done and pay $5 to BATF.
Wait wait wait

Then I have a new AOW. Which is still classified under HRS as a normal pistol.

Kanakamaoli23

I appreciate the info guys. I was actually thinking about changing my handgaurd to a quad rail to accommodate a verticals foregrip but I think I'll pass. It's actually not all that difficult to shoot as it is and the recoil isn't very much at all.

suka

OGC,
Are y'all willing to do an AOW and transfer it to a trust?
No Kealoha signature required!

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Intrested anyone care to translate to lay mens english about sbr and aow..please

jonjon

just found this - is this something that could help with registering at HPD and clear up some of the personal interpretation of the law/rule?  ???

I guess the part on page two that states "if an individual utilizes a receiver that has never been barreled as a rifle action, they may lawfully assemble a pistol" and the part on page three that states it is "legal" to attach a Magpul AFG to an ar15 pistol - can this help us out in any way?











new guy

« Last Edit: August 20, 2016, 07:50:15 PM by new guy »
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suka

ATF had ruled a perpendicular 90 degree device is a fore grip.
Id need to find that ruling and post.

OGC

OGC,
Are y'all willing to do an AOW and transfer it to a trust?
No Kealoha signature required!

Not until we spend some time with our and the NRAs attorneys.  We have to make sure not to mix and match federal and state law and comply with both independently.

jonjon

So if federal law states a stripped receiver that has never been made into a pistol or rifle is a is still a receiver and neither a pistol or rifle, where is the state law that says my receiver that has never been made into a rifle is now a rifle? Also can someone tell me where on my registration does it state my receiver is a rifle ?

suka

So if federal law states a stripped receiver that has never been made into a pistol or rifle is a is still a receiver and neither a pistol or rifle, where is the state law that says my receiver that has never been made into a rifle is now a rifle? Also can someone tell me where on my registration does it state my receiver is a rifle ?
It's not on the state level.
It's only a federal code.

new guy

« Last Edit: August 20, 2016, 07:50:30 PM by new guy »
Your mindset is your primary weapon. - Jeff Cooper

suka

Not until we spend some time with our and the NRAs attorneys.  We have to make sure not to mix and match federal and state law and comply with both independently.
AOW are a loophole in Hawaii and is legal in name if it doesn't fall into the "assault weapon" catagory.
It's just a normal pistol under hrs.

suka

:wtf:... only a Smurf would consider a handstop a foregrip!
A hand stop is NOT a foregrip by ATF at 45degrees.
Must be 90 degrees.

jonjon

It's not on the state level.
It's only a federal code.

so does that mean my receiver is still a receiver and not a rifle in Hawaii? if it is, how does HPD have the authority to say it is not a receiver and I can not make it into a pistol?

suka

If HPD transferred it to you on a long gun permit , they have a case to argue in court.

new guy

« Last Edit: August 20, 2016, 07:50:45 PM by new guy »
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suka

Not a foregrip