Registering AR (or whatever we're going to call them) lower receivers as pistols (Read 46588 times)

suka

I want and assembled an AR pistol because HPD and the State doesn't want civilians with an assault pistol or any pistols with more than 10 rounds.



Soon I'll have a Hawaii/ATF legal select fire AR rifle.
600-700 rounds per minute.
WOW will HPD go crazy.
« Last Edit: March 22, 2014, 02:56:13 AM by suka »

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Could you just order a dedicated pistol lower instead? 

If you are talking about a single shot lower, that would work.
I am not a lawyer.

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dwela

Just going to have reread this and related threads a few more times.

So:

1) Buy virgin receiver, build it as a pistol. You have a legal pistol, provided you comply w/ the "assault pistol" regulations.
2) Buy virgin receiver, build it into a rifle, then back to a pistol. You have an illegal "Pistol Made from a Rifle" and you're a Felon.
3) Buy any receiver built any way. Apply to BATFE to register reciever as an SBR. Wait for approval. Build it as a pistol. Now you have a legally registered SBR.  N/A for us in Hawaii, so far.



« Last Edit: March 23, 2014, 09:21:23 AM by dwela »

dwela

I want and assembled an AR pistol because HPD and the State doesn't want civilians with an assault pistol or any pistols with more than 10 rounds.



Soon I'll have a Hawaii/ATF legal select fire AR rifle.
600-700 rounds per minute.
WOW will HPD go crazy.

I would love to be a fly on the wall when you register that.

suka

Just going to have reread this and related threads a few more times.

So:

1) Buy virgin receiver, build it as a pistol. You have a legal pistol, provided you comply w/ the "assault pistol" regulations.
2) Buy virgin receiver, build it into a rifle, then back to a pistol. You have an illegal "Pistol Made from a Rifle" and you're a Felon.
3) Buy any receiver built any way. Apply to BATFE to register reciever as an SBR. Wait for approval. Build it as a pistol. Now you have a legally registered SBR.  N/A for us in Hawaii, so far.

1 is correct
2 is technically a SBR
3 is apply and get approval first then assemble.

suka

I would love to be a fly on the wall when you register that.
Need some time and funds
But will post pic and video.
So far only purchased the lower.

Added
And ATF letter

suka

Here's the lower , already at the FFL.
Notice the 3 o'clock detent.

dwela

Now that is a thing of beauty!  Looking forward to your further exploits, I have several bare receivers and at least one will be a fixed mag, no stock, short barreled firearm.

dirsh

So if federal law states a stripped receiver that has never been made into a pistol or rifle is a is still a receiver and neither a pistol or rifle, where is the state law that says my receiver that has never been made into a rifle is now a rifle? Also can someone tell me where on my registration does it state my receiver is a rifle ?

I've read thru this thread a lot of times but can't really tell the answer from the letters

I have the same question too. Can a registered "receiver" be made into  a pistol ? ...or because it was first registered as a receiver using a long gun permit, hpd will not let you make it into a pistol?
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suka

HRS has no provisions for handgun, rifle switcharoo.
It all federal, under the ATF.

Since you legally have possession of the "receiver" you can legally assemble it into a pistol. Again HRS does not prohibite it specificlly (loophole).

Therefore , bring your receipt , and the ATF letter on the first page when u register your pistol.

dogman

I have the same question too. Can a registered "receiver" be made into  a pistol ? ...or because it was first registered as a receiver using a long gun permit, hpd will not let you make it into a pistol?
Right or wrong, the last time I checked, HPD will not allow registering a lower receiver purchased with a long gun permit as a pistol. I am still waiting for a letter from BATFE that hopefully will specifically address this and allow any receiver regardless of how it was originally registered, to be assembled and registered as a pistol as long as it was never assembled as a rifle. Even if I get the letter, it is still up to HPD if they want to change their "policy". I will post any results.  Daniel at Kaneohe Gun Shop currently has some lowers that he registered as pistol receivers for sale if you want the "easiest" route to getting a pistol lower.

suka

ATF have stressed in the past by open letters to FFL to not sale "receivers" to anyone under 21 years of age. As they may be made into a pistol.

Dog,
ATF takes exactly 3-4 month for a reply. I have not gotten one back sooner. Plan on it and post a new topic and hopefully Mods will sticky it.

dogman

Dog,
ATF takes exactly 3-4 month for a reply. I have not gotten one back sooner. Plan on it and post a new topic and hopefully Mods will sticky it.

One to two months more to go. :sleeping:

dirsh

cool thanks guys

I'm not in a rush to make a pistol but it would be neat to make one out of the lowers I have now
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Coconut-kid

Just wanted to share what I found about using a Magpul afg.

AJ

Shoot one of these ar pistol at the shooting fair last week. It was nice. To load it  PITA