A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line?? (Read 5902 times)

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« on: February 09, 2014, 04:48:45 PM »
Something you need to consider if you work in law enforcement--a question of life or death that you need to answer, and answer now.

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--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

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Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2014, 07:21:17 PM »
I always get distracted by her outfits....
She does make very good points, and is well spoken.
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ren

Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2014, 07:27:00 PM »
Josie = Stephanie 2.0?



« Last Edit: February 09, 2014, 07:38:04 PM by ren »
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Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2014, 07:42:01 PM »
Something you need to consider if you work in law enforcement--a question of life or death that you need to answer, and answer now.


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Jl808

Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2014, 08:12:23 PM »
She makes great videos.... just like her other one about "why good people should be armed".

In my opinion, a woman speaking for gun rights has twice (or more) the weight of a man speaking for gun rights.  Someone as well spoken as her, maybe 10x.
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macsak

Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2014, 08:25:07 PM »
She makes great videos.... just like her other one about "why good people should be armed".

In my opinion, a woman speaking for gun rights has twice (or more) the weight of a man speaking for gun rights.  Someone as well spoken as her, maybe 10x.

it was great, but it could be improved if it didn't seem so "scripted" and be a bit more passionate and  heartfelt
just my opinion

Dblnaknak

Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2014, 09:33:42 PM »
Sorry, but that was dumb. Providing vague examples of what you think is corruption does not prove your point. Fear mongering at its best.

Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2014, 09:55:45 PM »
Sorry, but that was dumb. Providing vague examples of what you think is corruption does not prove your point. Fear mongering at its best.

The main point of the video is, whether LEOs have ever asked themselves where they would draw the line when obeying political leaders.  That's it.  And it has been proven many times throughout history.

This is a serious question all military and law enforcement are supposed to ask themselves in training classes.  If given an unlawful or immoral order, what would you do?  It's not dumb.  It's reality.  Every war we've been in is full of stories like this.  A soldier is ordered to fire on civilians.  Another is ordered to kill, torture, or inflict other types of pain or injury on a prisoner. 

Hopefully none of us will ever face this scenario.  The entire point is: 

WHAT IF YOU ARE FACED WITH THIS CHOICE?  Would you follow orders, or would you refuse?

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"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis

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Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2014, 11:21:45 PM »
The difference between her examples and us now is that in the past the examples (nazi's, redcoats etc...) were following the direction of a dictator.  And we are currently governed by a..... Oh wait um nevermind.

Ok, just being facetious, but it is food for thought although I'm not a fan.

hvybarrels

Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2014, 11:53:22 PM »
a lot of high ranking military officials have taken early retirement recently. conspiracy sites are saying there is a purge of officers who would refuse orders to fire on american citizens once the next market crash hits and things start to get nuts. oh yeah and four prominent investment bankers committed suicide over the past couple weeks. looking at market news lately it looks like the charade is almost played out.
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Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2014, 11:57:30 PM »
a lot of high ranking military officials have taken early retirement recently. conspiracy sites are saying there is a purge of officers who would refuse orders to fire on american citizens once the next market crash hits and things start to get nuts. oh yeah and four prominent investment bankers committed suicide over the past couple weeks. looking at market news lately it looks like the charade is almost played out.
Thats not true. The military is directed to cut everything. Enlisted and officers are affected. If soldiers can't pass PT, make weight, have bad character and/or don't have the required schooling then they get the boot. Bottom line: the military can't afford to keep that many personnel or buy equipment. Simple.
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Darmok and Jalad @Tanagra

Re: A Message To Police: Where Do You Draw The Line??
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2014, 12:29:05 AM »
Thats not true. The military is directed to cut everything. Enlisted and officers are affected. If soldiers can't pass PT, make weight, have bad character and/or don't have the required schooling then they get the boot. Bottom line: the military can't afford to keep that many personnel or buy equipment. Simple.
True. 

Quote
Concern Grows Over Top Military Officers’ Ethics

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/13/us/petraeuss-resignation-highlights-concern-over-military-officers-ethics.html?_r=0
... a worrisomely large number of senior officers have been investigated and even fired for poor judgment, malfeasance and sexual improprieties or sexual violence — and that is just in the last year.

Some are suspicious the NSA is using their sophisticated network of spy technologies to eavesdrop and gather evidence on the military leaders.  What better way to control the military and force its leadership to make distasteful decisions than holding their careers and reputations hostage?

http://www.ijreview.com/2013/06/62053-president-obamas-purge-military-officers-replaced-by-the-commander-in-chief/
"... the right to be let alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men."
--Justice Louis D. Brandeis