Well here it is folks; I want to catch the degenerates who stole my Ducati… Insurance paid me the difference and I have since purchased a New Ducati and I have it fixed to the earth with a 19mm 6 foot chain and its quite secure:D, However, My wife has noticed on two occasions, once last week at 3:30AM and once at 4:00AM this week these bastards rolling up in a truck, sending out a guy, scoping the bike and getting in and riding off. My question to you folks is how do I go about catching these guys. I have no problem staying awake till that time (I work days and nights and on my day off to transition for the following mid shift I stay awake until that time anyway). I don’t want to be a vagina but I don’t want to go to jail. Should I strap on a bullet proof vest I may or may not have and bring my O.C. Gun and catch them? I would install a camera but its low light conditions and I bet even a High quality night vision one won’t suffice. I need to catch these bastards to get them off the street. I guess I could go out with the possible vest and O.C Gun and have the wife armed inside of the house but I would really like to avoid all this but need them caught. I called the police the first time and they are so god darn slow. The police never get there in time. They did come with three police officers when I called the first time we spotted them the first time. Any advice would be appreciated.

Damned if you do and damned if you dont. 
No matter the legal justification, hpd will be more then happy to throw you in a cell until everything is cleared up.  Or so i would assume.
Best bet, put a fence and buy a dog.  Avoid alteracation if possible.
Im not sure if self defense laws in hawaii include property.  I know they include life, but unsure about property.

I know not exactly what you want to hear, but hopefully that slows them down or deters them.  In any case, insurance will pay you off. lol

...Should I strap on a bullet proof vest I may or may not have and bring my O.C. Gun and catch them? I would install a camera but its low light conditions and I bet even a High quality night vision one won’t suffice. I need to catch these bastards to get them off the street. I guess I could go out with the possible vest and O.C Gun and have the wife armed inside of the house but I would really like to avoid all this but need them caught. I called the police the first time and they are so god darn slow. The police never get there in time. They did come with three police officers when I called the first time we spotted them the first time. Any advice would be appreciated.

Under current HRS I wouldn't advise any sort of confrontation with the suspects in this case.  The current statues would not protect you in the circumstances you describe - one of the more shocking things I learned in the requisite safety class. What you should do is continue to note the make, model, and if possible license plate of the suspect vehicle, and the best description of said occupants for the detective that was assigned to your original case - I'm assuming that you filed a police report since the insurance company paid you out.  Also, let your neighbors know as well.  If you have a neighborhood watch or community association, advise them to be on the lookout as well.  In the meantime, if you can lockup your bike - preferably out of sight - that would be best.  Good luck and I hope they get arrested! 

surveillance cameras and motion detected lights are a good step
I wouldn't go outside the house armed, thats just asking for trouble
but you should protect yourself, legally
keeping the bike out of sight is a good idea too.

I battle neighborhood riff raff on a daily basis too.  sucks.
keep fighting the good fight.

Have you reported any other new activity to the police?  If they know when and where thieves are prowling, they might make an effort to patrol more often during those times. 

It's a shame you have to lose money, sleep, and time over someone else's stupid, criminal behavior, not to mention the stress.

This is how a sitting duck feels.   

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Maybe Gongho can stake the place out for you? Just kidding all jokes aside maybe a game camera or two might help? If you have not already make friends with your neighbors and let them all know what's going on the more eyes the better. If your car is near your bike press your panic button when they are by your bike. Is there anyplace closer to your street where you can lie in wait to get the vehicle license plate numbers? Do you have security in your neighborhood or a homeowners/community organization maybe the can help?
Good luck, stay safe!

I searched real quick and found  site called EyeSpy.com, they have a micro tracker, with software for $179.99 plus shipping. Looks like this device could be hidden inside the bike somewhere, like maybe under the seat. Then if your bike is stolen, you just pull up the tracking info and hand it to the cops, it updates every second. They had other units as well, but more expensive.
Sorry your having problems, good luck.

                                                                             

Military housing?

2ahawaii forum party/stakeout?

First as others have mentioned don't go outside armed unless you are willing to kill someone and you had better not be for stealing your motorcycle in this state. Regardless of if they deserve what they have coming or not.

My advice would be to get a game/trail camera. It will discreetly take a photo or video of anyone if they come into view of the camera day or night. You will have proof of who is there, maybe you can get a license plate as well.

Secondly maybe you could booby trap the bike. Like say get a different seat that if someone sits on it they will get nails up their ass or something. Thats just me though. Or maybe the old spark plug lead in the gas tank trick so when they try to start it and steal it it blows them to smitherines 

Secondly maybe you could booby trap the bike. Like say get a different seat that if someone sits on it they will get nails up their ass or something. Thats just me though. Or maybe the old spark plug lead in the gas tank trick so when they try to start it and steal it it blows them to smitherines 

That sounds like a "Man Trap," which as far as I know, is illegal everywhere.  So is protecting property with deadly force except in Texas at night, I am told. 

Frustrating, ain't it?  Especially when you realize that while you get some $$$ back from the insurance company, they get it back from you over time anyhow in the form of increased rates.  If not for you specifically, then from all the folks in your area, as it drifts toward becoming a high-risk neighborhood.

Had a tricked-out road bicycle swiped off my porch one time, so I know how you feel.  But all you can do is report it and see if you can get a plate number (which is probably stolen anyhow) or some kind of description next time around... without endangering yourself or using deadly force improperly.

One thing to remember is that these "gangs," if that's what they are, do come back at you if they know you have identified them personally, or are going to testify.  And they know where you live.  Let the police handle it.  If they get caught because the police nailed them at a chop shop or whatever with normal police procedures, then you had nothing directly to do with their getting caught.

Terry 

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I would park the bike in a garage or some place secure.  Better yet I would move!  All of these thieves deserve a bullet in the ass but I defiantly would not go out looking for trouble; you will get slammed hard by the state if you do anything and/or you may be killed (Don't tell me you are going to wear level 4 armored plates in the vest all the time.  These guys are probably packing heat and even with a vest, what if they shot you in the face or with a rifle?).  Why spend the next 30 years in jail or go the grave over a $10k-$20k bike which insurance will cover?  As long as you have insurance, let them and the police take care of it.  Life really is too short to have to worry about crap like this and this is what insurance is for anyways!  If someone wants to steal your stuff, there really isn't very much you can do about it other then to lock it up in a container they can't take.

P.S.  I don't care what type of chain you are using, I bet I could get though it fairly quickly or figure out a way to cut whatever it is attached to!  I once saw a guy put a 300 dollar door lock on to a thin hollow door which frame was termite eaten.  There is always a weak link no matter how secure you think something is.

Not to disrespect anyone's answers here but it's downright depressing to hear what people have decayed into.

The best advice given is to be a sheep.

I often wish we lived in cowboy days.

All most people can tell you is to be a good little pacifist and let a police officer who doesn't even care, drive over at 3:00am and do nothing.

The reality is that with this advice there's a 99% probability that your new bike will be stolen too.

The advice to install motion activated cameras is good advice though. Although it doesn't stop thieves, it does allow you to identify them.

I knew a guy who had a crew that stole bikes. Basically they would roll up to the bike in something like a Uhaul truck, cut the security device/chain, then lift the bike into the truck and drive off to the chop shop or wherever the hell they went.

Best we can do is put a tracking device in our vehicles and hope for the best. As much as many of us would like to play batman, we can't due to the law being in place to constrain us and not criminals.

The cheaper way was to pull up with a trailer, just push the bike over into it. 

I highly recommend an alarm, lock the wheel, lock on the disc brake as well.   Swap the screws out to be torx bit, hex, and flat and phillips. That way at least 3 different tools are needed to remove the bolts going into the seat to protect the alarm.

Not to disrespect anyone's answers here but it's downright depressing to hear what people have decayed into.

The best advice given is to be a sheep.

I often wish we lived in cowboy days.

All most people can tell you is to be a good little pacifist and let a police officer who doesn't even care, drive over at 3:00am and do nothing.

The reality is that with this advice there's a 99% probability that your new bike will be stolen too.

The advice to install motion activated cameras is good advice though. Although it doesn't stop thieves, it does allow you to identify them.

You're right, it is sad that we would go to jail for protecting what is ours, and helping the authorities catch some criminals.

I was thinking of a spike strip you could quietly pull out just as they pull up and leave them stranded while waiting for the cops to put down their donuts.

Best advice is get the bike out of plain sight.  That is just asking for it to be stolen.  Does not help catching them of course, but you want to keep this bike I assume.

Not to disrespect anyone's answers here but it's downright depressing to hear what people have decayed into.

The best advice given is to be a sheep.

I often wish we lived in cowboy days.

All most people can tell you is to be a good little pacifist and let a police officer who doesn't even care, drive over at 3:00am and do nothing.

The reality is that with this advice there's a 99% probability that your new bike will be stolen too.

The advice to install motion activated cameras is good advice though. Although it doesn't stop thieves, it does allow you to identify them.

+100000000000000000      glad im not the only one disappointed.
last time i called police about someone peering into my car in my garage they showed up 45 minutes later, and then began questioning me about my illegal tint and curtains! i suspect that if i were parked on the street they would have ticketed me for their trouble of driving to my house for nothing. im not anti-LEO, im just pointing out they usually arent that concerned with petty non violent theft like some think they would be. when you get something stolen and you get a no bullshit cop doing your report they tell you straight up the chances of catching the guy with your property are slim to none even though we're confined to a small island. they usually get caught when they get real high and sloppy after fencing all your shit

Hey my peps,

First, Thank you all for the advice. I am seriously considering getting a freaking o.c. Grenade tied to the tree near my bike and car and pull the pin on it but, like you guys said we live in communist Hawaii and defending your life or property is a big no no here. I really like the spike strip idea, I was thinking about that, it would work just fine but, they will get caught and come back for revenge. If I was single I would just pack my vest and gun all the time and just wait for them to make the move inside of my house but I’m not, I have a wife and that limits what I can do. End story, I just want these guys off the street, save some other folks the trouble and heart ache. I was thinking about becoming a Reserve Police officer here in Hawaii. It would solve the carry issue and hey, I can apprehend the bastards legally but that’s not the case and I barely have time for college, work, wife, masonry, ect, ect, P.S. They won’t get through the anchor or chain unless they invest at least an hour and in that case I have an alarm on the bike with a proximity sensor so it WILL go off, also they need some REALLY REALLY heavy equipment to get through the chain. Google ALMAX immobilizer 4, Serious chain. I am thinking about a Floodlight/motion/camera setup. So at least this way I can get some ID but as far as plates on the car, we all know they use stolen vehicles to do their crap. I really want to do the spike strips and pull them out and call the popo but, it is quite obvious that I put them there and they will seek revenge leading me to me not being single problem lol. I do like the idea about a 2ahawaii stake out loll. I also like the military housing comment LOL! Thanks again guys.



-Rico