It appears to me that we tried and convicted in a kangaroo court.
A squeaky wheel made claims of bullets coming down outside of the range and the next thing we where limited to 100yds.  Another claim of bullets escaping and the range was shut down. Then opened again after $90,00+ in repairs were made.
All of this when no one including HPD having any proof what so ever that any of these projectiles came from the range.  I assume that the politically correct answer is"that we must error on the side of safety".
IMHO, I believe that many like my self want to shoot out to 440yds again.  Does anyone have any ideas how we can make this happen?

http://www.change.org/guides/how-an-online-petition-works

Would something like this work?
Or maybe a locally generated petition?

If every LGS would support a petition along with users of the Kokohead range, and even other ranges around the island, I would think that there would be a large amount of signatures.  IF we were able to get 10,000 signatures I bet some politicians would take a second look at whats going on.  I really don't know though as I am out of touch with how these things work.  Just trying to think of something as I too would like to shoot out to AT LEAST 440yrds.

There's another possibility as well.
Think about this first, when have you ever seen C&C move as fast as they did to make a repair at the range, or anywhere else for that matter. Hell, it's taken them over two years to remodel a bathroom at Maunalua bay. Top it off with the fact that they dropped $94,000 that they didn't have. [ remember, we're running a deficit, that means the money is borrowed, or was earmarked for something else ]

Now what makes the government move that fast?

LIABILITY.
Past administrations have neglected the range for the last 30 years. All the other parks in the system have suffered, but none has been completely ignored like KHSC. Now the chickens are coming home to roost, they need to do something.

The government hates to be held responsible for anything. What if HPD can prove the bullets came from the range? What if under the guise of an "ongoing investigation" they're keeping it quiet, so that when it does come out, they can say they've "taken steps to make the range safer"? I'm not saying that's what's going on, but the possibility exists. I would hope that none of this is the case, but there it is.

As far as "Erring on the side of safety", I should hope so. What if it was your house being hit by bullets? What if it were your kids playing in the yard, how would you feel? If you lived near the range, the first conclusion, right or wrong, would be they came from the range. I know if it was me, I'd want it to stop, immediately, if not sooner.
Remember, other than people like us, that use the range and own firearms, the general public basically falls into two categories. Either they're anti gun, or they don't give a shit as long as it's not a problem for them. We as a community, because of the scrutiny we're under, need to be handling ourselves in a manner that is beyond reproach, better and cleaner than the next guy.

We're going to have to face the fact that without extensive modifications and improvements, the 200, 300, 440yd targets are gone, the steel is certainly not coming back.
If you want to start a petition, start it for funding these improvements, we'll get a lot further with it.

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IMHO, I believe that many like my self want to shoot out to 440yds again.  Does anyone have any ideas how we can make this happen?

you want to start shooting steel or any targets at that range?  you had better look in to https://2ahawaii.com/index.php?topic=13721.0

lets face it, its not coming back to koko head until someone makes that guy go away for good.  he is sorta like castro, gotta wait till he passes away (he is old but not old enough).

Still can aim and shoot at the 440 tree stump.
just no ping


Targets are limited to 100 yards maximum.
opps i missed my TARGET at 100 yds but hit the tree stump at 440   

How hard can it be to install a steel target, properly angled to send any deflection into the dirt? Add one to the left side of the range between 100-200 yards, and another on the right side at the 300 yard location. Add a new one where the old 440yd one used to be. All would be right up against the hillside so you wouldn't have to worry about creating a berm or backstop. This can't be rocket science. It could even be built with volunteers like what we were going to do with the range cleanup day. At this point the only way I think we will get our long range targets back is to come up with the solution ourselves.

I know macsak and others have done an incredible amount of legwork already, and its much appreciated. We need to keep the pressure up! 

It seems like the range was never intended to shoot beyond 100 yards in its original design amd construction.  The steel targets were not range approved nor installed. Now with the question of safety and liability, the range goes back to "original"  mode.

Why not just allow not steel targets past 100yds. Personally I would be happy to shoot paper at 400yds than nothing at all. Sure its not as fun and maybe someone could donate a couple golf carts for people to run out and check their targets at that range. Seems like people think the goal in a store is to walk as slow as humanly possible while taking up as much space as possible. I would only imagine people at the range are just as slow, Can't be waiting half an hour for people to walk down and back. Especially if they are the types that shoot once then chit chat for 10 minutes.

I have shot at several ranges both here in Hawaii and California, and have never seen non-steel targets past 200 yards. Too far away to change out quickly during a ceasefire, and considering the terrain at Kokohead, just not practical. 

I have shot at several ranges both here in Hawaii and California, and have never seen non-steel targets past 200 yards. Too far away to change out quickly during a ceasefire, and considering the terrain at Kokohead, just not practical.

I've seen people at Kokohead shoot paper out at 200 yards before.  They had a procedure in place for people to retrieve paper at the 200 yard area.

I've s. een people at Kokohead shoot paper out at 200 yards before.  They had a procedure in place for people to retrieve paper at the 200 yard area.

They have to call a cease fire at pistol side too to place and retrieve targets out at 200.  The shooter used to have to hike up the little trail in the middle of the berm
  They dont let the you change your target as often due to time.  I havent seen people shoot out that far more than a few times
gotta notify the RO of your plans to shoot out to 200 so they can make arrangements

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They have to call a cease fire at pistol side too to place and retrieve targets out at 200.  The shooter used to have to hike up the little trail in the middle of the berm
  They dont let the you change your target as often due to time.  I havent seen people shoot out that far more than a few times
gotta notify the RO of your plans to shoot out to 200 so they can make arrangements

the key statement is HAD a procedure
koko head was designed for and is now limited to 100 yards max

I think it will be easier to ask for the wish..." I wanna understand women" than get all that accomplished in the near future.   Im just thankful the range is open again.

We need a new range.

Suggestions:

1.  Identify all "wishlist" items, but be willing to compromise on some of these "wishlist" items.

2.  Identify all code/reg/safety/liability issues.

3.  Prepare a preliminary cost estimate, including potential revenue-generating options.

4.  Partner with local businesses/individuals to see if they might be willing to help with donations of money/time/manpower.

5.  After the groundwork has been established, bring in community support.

6.  After getting community buy-in, approach supportive State and City officials.

7.  Start looking for suitable tracts of land that comply with all code/reg/safety/liability issues, and that include as many of the "wishlist" items, as possible.

8.  Acquire land, build range, shoot.

the key statement is HAD a procedure
koko head was designed for and is now limited to 100 yards max

There are posts for 200yd and 1 post for 300yds (next to the old 300yd plates) for target stands.   All the range needs to do is have the setup before range opens and take down after closing.
I have shot paper targets at both distances,  You can put a lot of 2" and 3" dirty birds on a target.

We need a new range.

Suggestions:

1.  Identify all "wishlist" items, but be willing to compromise on some of these "wishlist" items.

2.  Identify all code/reg/safety/liability issues.

3.  Prepare a preliminary cost estimate, including potential revenue-generating options.

4.  Partner with local businesses/individuals to see if they might be willing to help with donations of money/time/manpower.

5.  After the groundwork has been established, bring in community support.

6.  After getting community buy-in, approach supportive State and City officials.

7.  Start looking for suitable tracts of land that comply with all code/reg/safety/liability issues, and that include as many of the "wishlist" items, as possible.

8.  Acquire land, build range, shoot.

There's an awful lot of former pineapple land in the middle of the island, far away from where anyone lives.  Let's buy, oh, 25 square miles of that!

There's an awful lot of former pineapple land in the middle of the island, far away from where anyone lives.  Let's buy, oh, 25 square miles of that!

This would be the only way that I would see a new range in my life time.  We need to form a private club range.

10 square miles should be good of the property dimensions is 4 x 2.5 miles

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