Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement? (Read 19625 times)

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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2014, 11:06:49 AM »
Gas piston is the ONLY way to go.  All REAL guns have gas pistons.  Direct impingement is doo-doo.  Not only will it explode in your face every single time you pull the trigger (even when the gun isn't loaded!!), but it causes genital warts, herpes, and Liberalism.  Obama would rather take your direct impingement away from you because he likes it better.  Don't be a herpetic cankerous libby.  Support the Constitution and buy gas piston.

This is the very reason I only shoot AKs. AKs have only been shown to cause moderate gassiness and the ocassional UTI which usually clears up with a squirt of Barrisol.

jaynick

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2014, 11:35:28 AM »
DI and get yourself a nickel boron coated BCG, my son sold me on this by pulling his out of the gun he rarely cleans and wiping it off with a damp towel. It shined like it was brand new in about 30 seconds. Picked one up for my build.

ive also been trying this out. after using strong cleaners and scraping clean a phosphated bcg i was over it. bought the first reasonably priced nickel boron bcg (thx abakja  :shaka:)
the nickel wipes clean as long as you put minimal/no lube. even when carbon builds up on the bolt it brushes off much easier. no need for those carbon scraping tools as long as you dont let it go for 2k+ between cleaning.

with all that said i still prefer shooting my gas piston sig 556.
its even easier to clean than a DI ar15 with a nickel bcg, plus the recoil impulse from the rifle length gas system is softer. i think my carbine length ar barrel has a slightly enlarged gas port that doesnt help. its a little jumpy and i need/want to buy a syrac adjustable gas block and a JP buffer spring system. a mid length properly tuned 16" probably shoots twice as smooth as my current setup.

i vote for gas piston if you can afford a quality one, but i also think everyone should have at least 1 DI ar15 though. cheaper,lighter and easier to swap parts and find replacements.

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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2014, 12:44:32 PM »
A regular AR15/M16 system has a piston in it.
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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2014, 04:39:51 PM »
Never have built an AR or any firearm for that matter. Maybe it is a good time to learn how. Is it very difficult to do?


its easy.  (youtube is your friend)

if its over your head, just buy a full ar15 of one and an upper of the other and you can swap them out easily by pushing out the retaining pins. 

Jl808

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2014, 05:09:39 PM »
+1

Assembling an AR from scratch is a good way to learn the AR-15 system.

You can get a complete AR15 kit (plus a stripped lower receiver) from a reputable source.  Watch videos on Youtube for assembling a complete lower.

I suggest buying an assembled upper and just attach it to the lower you assemble.  You'll need more specific tools to assemble an upper.  When you are more comfortable and familiar with your AR, then you can look at building your own upper from scratch.
« Last Edit: April 08, 2014, 05:37:37 PM by Jl808 »
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kekoa

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2014, 07:38:25 PM »
I may just give it a go. What reputable source would you recommend for the kit. How does the permitting thing work for a home build?

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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2014, 11:12:42 PM »
You'll still need to purchase a stripped lower receiver and get it registered with HPD.

There are many places to find a decent kit.  Palmetto State Armory has decent and inexpensive builds.  I'm sure the others here have their favorites for some of the more quality builds?
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sliver

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #27 on: April 09, 2014, 07:39:00 AM »
I may just give it a go. What reputable source would you recommend for the kit. How does the permitting thing work for a home build?

the lower parts kits are all basically the same, just gotta find a lower (50-300 bucks, they are all basically the same and should work fine if they are with in spec) you like and reg it with HPD just like you would a long gun or make one out of an 80%.  should take you about 30 mins or less the first time.  its easy and fun to do.  ask someone or find a build party.  Hell bring it to the range with you and ask people if they can show you how to do it while waiting for a bench, chances are someone there will know how to do it.  its really not that hard.  The hardest thing is to figure out which trigger you want to install as well as what stock you want to buy for the lower.

you could have bought and easily made a plastic 80% from ares armor before they got raided and used a hand drill and a dremel to finish it  :shake:
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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #28 on: April 18, 2014, 08:44:15 AM »
Gas piston is the ONLY way to go.  All REAL guns have gas pistons.  Direct impingement is doo-doo.  Not only will it explode in your face every single time you pull the trigger (even when the gun isn't loaded!!), but it causes genital warts, herpes, and Liberalism.  Obama would rather take your direct impingement away from you because he likes it better.  Don't be a herpetic cankerous libby.  Support the Constitution and buy gas piston.
  :rofl:

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kekoa

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #29 on: April 20, 2014, 05:47:10 AM »
The bolt carrier should not touch anything.  maybe just a bit on the top where the gas key is.

The Bolt does need to be lubed and the firing pin.

I been testing the new chrome Teflon coated buffer springs and they seem to be smoother.

Dex, what lube is best? Just regular gun oil or….

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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2014, 08:36:04 AM »
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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2014, 09:46:28 AM »
When new I use grease on the bolt where it may contact the receiver and the hammer.    After break in I use light oil. Also light oil in the firing pin and bolt lugs.
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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2014, 01:48:44 PM »
You'll still need to purchase a stripped lower receiver and get it registered with HPD.

There are many places to find a decent kit.  Palmetto State Armory has decent and inexpensive builds.  I'm sure the others here have their favorites for some of the more quality builds?

Does PSA ship to Hawaii?  I recall there being no option to select Hawaii in the drop down menu when you checkout.

kekoa

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2014, 01:51:35 PM »
When new I use grease on the bolt where it may contact the receiver and the hammer.    After break in I use light oil. Also light oil in the firing pin and bolt lugs.

Thank you sir :thumbsup:

s197

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2014, 02:00:10 PM »
Kekoa,

If you're unsure where to lube, this should answer all your questions:

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_7/548967_AR15_LUBE_POINTS.html

sliver

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2014, 02:12:52 PM »
Does PSA ship to Hawaii?  I recall there being no option to select Hawaii in the drop down menu when you checkout.

I asked them before and they said to select the California option and then just put in your address and it should do something automatically.  Personally it just didn't sit right with me and because they don't take paypal, I don't buy from them.  I mean who the hell can't put a Hawaii drop down in a menu for shipping in this day and age when shipping stuff and if you are gonna buy possibly thousands of dollars worth of stuff from them at once, I question how legit they are.  when they fix it, I'll perhaps buy from them.

mauidog

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2014, 05:09:40 PM »
I asked them before and they said to select the California option and then just put in your address and it should do something automatically.  Personally it just didn't sit right with me and because they don't take paypal, I don't buy from them.  I mean who the hell can't put a Hawaii drop down in a menu for shipping in this day and age when shipping stuff and if you are gonna buy possibly thousands of dollars worth of stuff from them at once, I question how legit they are.  when they fix it, I'll perhaps buy from them.

For the record, I've ordered a stripped lower, a full upper, 3 LPKs, 1 UPK, a Blackout flash hider, 2 heavy buffers, an AR stock kit, and assorted small AR-15 parts.  9 orders for the last 12 months, & always select Alaska in shipping addr.  I got free shipping when offered, too.

I visited the PSA store & range in Columbia.  Very modern, clean indoor range.

So, unless you have evidence to the contrary, I would argue PSA is a lot more than "legit".
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Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2014, 08:00:29 PM »
Back in the 90's when I could shoot 1k  plus rounds in one range outing; I think piston would be an obvious option. But in 2014 shooting ~500rds or less in a range session, I'll stick with DI and just use the money saved on DI for more ammo.

s197

Re: Gas Piston vs. Direct Impingement?
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2014, 08:03:06 AM »
For the record, I've ordered a stripped lower, a full upper, 3 LPKs, 1 UPK, a Blackout flash hider, 2 heavy buffers, an AR stock kit, and assorted small AR-15 parts.  9 orders for the last 12 months, & always select Alaska in shipping addr.  I got free shipping when offered, too.

I visited the PSA store & range in Columbia.  Very modern, clean indoor range.

So, unless you have evidence to the contrary, I would argue PSA is a lot more than "legit".

Thanks, I see they have really good deals from time to time but always just figured they didn't ship here.  I sent them an email and will try the Alaska option if they don't fix it.