I searched the forum for answers but I have some unanswered concerns that I hope to get resolved in this thread. Also if this thread belongs in the Legal and Activism section, mods please move the thread as appropriate. Thanks

So here is the situation:

I found a Pistol on AR15.com that I would like to purchase. We (seller and myself) have agreed on a price but he is inquiring if my FFL will accept shipment from a non FFL. Meaning, he will send it directly to the FFL. First question is if anyone knows a FFL here that will accept that? [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)] states that a non FFL can ship to a FFL but handguns are not "mailable"  by USPS and that a common or contract carrier must be used. Is that UPS and Fedex? 

Would it be easier to have it shipped to Oregon where I have a relative who can receive it as his and transfer it into my name when I get there next month then bring it back to Hawaii as out-of-state then register it? I can still purchase in Oregon as I have a Oregon driver's license.

Has anyone purchased a handgun from a forum or the like? How did you ensure you got the item after paying?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to be squared away. Thank you for any info in advance!

I searched the forum for answers but I have some unanswered concerns that I hope to get resolved in this thread. Also if this thread belongs in the Legal and Activism section, mods please move the thread as appropriate. Thanks

So here is the situation:

I found a Pistol on AR15.com that I would like to purchase. We (seller and myself) have agreed on a price but he is inquiring if my FFL will accept shipment from a non FFL. Meaning, he will send it directly to the FFL. First question is if anyone knows a FFL here that will accept that? [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)] states that a non FFL can ship to a FFL but handguns are not "mailable"  by USPS and that a common or contract carrier must be used. Is that UPS and Fedex? 

Would it be easier to have it shipped to Oregon where I have a relative who can receive it as his and transfer it into my name when I get there next month then bring it back to Hawaii as out-of-state then register it? I can still purchase in Oregon as I have a Oregon driver's license.

Has anyone purchased a handgun from a forum or the like? How did you ensure you got the item after paying?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to be squared away. Thank you for any info in advance!

An FFL can mail a handgun to another FFL, except a C&R, and yes a contract carrier is UPS and Fed Ex. Be prepared. As they are the only designated shippers you will get out your wallet. They must ship handguns overnight and it is pricey. Probably UPS is your best bet.
I will let someone else expound on the rest of your question. You may be in muddy water there. Straw purchases being a four letter word these days.
Good luck
Gordy

Tell the guy to ship it FFL to FFL. That ensures everything is legit. If he's not willing to do that I personally wouldn't buy it. Most up and up guys have no issue doing business that way and generally they also want to do it that way. You may have a hard time finding a FFL here that is willing to do accept from a private seller in the first place. HPD will tell you FFL to FFL is the correct process. Also if it's FFL to FFL you can contact the FFL directly and make sure everything is in order (firearm delivered to FFL and awaiting shipment to you pending receipt of funds) and that they know this individual and he is trustworthy. Doubtful if seller goes through this effort that he isn't legit. Every seller has to realize that the buyer wants some assurance that the seller will uphold their end of the deal. Like I said, if he's not willing, I personally wouldn't buy it.

I searched the forum for answers but I have some unanswered concerns that I hope to get resolved in this thread. Also if this thread belongs in the Legal and Activism section, mods please move the thread as appropriate. Thanks

So here is the situation:

I found a Pistol on AR15.com that I would like to purchase. We (seller and myself) have agreed on a price but he is inquiring if my FFL will accept shipment from a non FFL. Meaning, he will send it directly to the FFL. First question is if anyone knows a FFL here that will accept that? [18 U.S.C. 1715, 922(a)(3), 922(a)(5) and 922 (a)(2)(A)] states that a non FFL can ship to a FFL but handguns are not "mailable"  by USPS and that a common or contract carrier must be used. Is that UPS and Fedex? 

Would it be easier to have it shipped to Oregon where I have a relative who can receive it as his and transfer it into my name when I get there next month then bring it back to Hawaii as out-of-state then register it? I can still purchase in Oregon as I have a Oregon driver's license.

Has anyone purchased a handgun from a forum or the like? How did you ensure you got the item after paying?

Sorry for all the questions, but I want to be squared away. Thank you for any info in advance!

What I'd do in your shoes is have the seller go through an FFL, transfer the gun to a Hawaii FFL, then go inspect it within a day or two after arrival.  Trying to be creative using relatives or friends can unnecessarily complicate the transfer.   

Saving a little money on the price of a firearm is always good, but there aren't many legal ways to cut corners when doing out-of-state transfers.

Good luck!

All he needs to do is send a photocopy of his drivers license to ffl here. I have done this exact same situation. I used al at ready on the right in Kailua. You can call and confirm .

All he needs to do is send a photocopy of his drivers license to ffl here. I have done this exact same situation. I used al at ready on the right in Kailua. You can call and confirm .

How does the Hawaii FFL know that drivers license in fact belongs to the guy selling the firearm? He could potentially have a stolen or fake license of a legal law-abiding citizen. You're much more trusting than I...just saying but each to their own on how they want to handle out of state purchases/transfers. I personally wouldn't do it this way...I'd insist FFL to FFL.

FFL to FFL can use USPS to ship Handguns.
It may be cheaper than using UPS or FEDEX overnight express.

Artesho
Check your pms

Use FFL with USPS if you can. I just sent a pistol for work done with UPS to Oregon and cost me about $145 shipping for round trip.

Ive bought a pistol on gunbroker from a non FFL.used AL @ ready on the right.& Just sold a pistol and I sent it Fedex $62 to louisiana with a copy of my drivers license to an FFL there

Use FFL with USPS if you can. I just sent a pistol for work done with UPS to Oregon and cost me about $145 shipping for round trip.

gray guns?

Macsak you using your Jedi Powers again.

Macsak you using your Jedi Powers again.

how else would we know that you're not flossing?

send me a pm when you get it/them back, i'd really like to see what GG can do

Will do. Should be done within a month.

Will do. Should be done within a month.

wow, that's fast
(yes, 'hound, i know)

Al at Ready on the Right is the only one I know who will accept a non ffl transfer.

Most FFLs dont want the hassle if the gun is found to be stolen or other.  FFLs are legally responsible for the gun being LEGAL.

I myself do not purchase guns from a non-ffl.  I make them take it to an FFL and I send the check or Money Order to the FFL to hand to the seller after they transfer it.

I got ripped off before by a non-ffl for some Walther PPK's, So live and learn

Al at Ready on the Right is the only one I know who will accept a non ffl transfer.
I got ripped off before by Walther PPK's, So live and learn

yep just what I thought.  Go glock next time

Al at Ready on the Right is the only one I know who will accept a non ffl transfer.

Most FFLs dont want the hassle if the gun is found to be stolen or other.  FFLs are legally responsible for the gun being LEGAL.

I myself do not purchase guns from a non-ffl.  I make them take it to an FFL and I send the check or Money Order to the FFL to hand to the seller after they transfer it.

I got ripped off before by a non-ffl for some Walther PPK's, So live and learn

Best advice yet.

FFL to FFL can use USPS to ship Handguns.
It may be cheaper than using UPS or FEDEX overnight express.

Trust me it is Waaaay cheaper.! The voice of experience

How does the Hawaii FFL know that drivers license in fact belongs to the guy selling the firearm? He could potentially have a stolen or fake license of a legal law-abiding citizen. You're much more trusting than I...just saying but each to their own on how they want to handle out of state purchases/transfers. I personally wouldn't do it this way...I'd insist FFL to FFL.

You cant sell stuff online that is stolen. Thats iilegal I have used  Al at ready on the right  twice now without issue this way.  Bought  the guns off gunbroker so semi trustworthy sight when you check the sellers feedback imo. Should not have a problem if he has sold  guns without issue before.