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If Hawaii was to become a Shall Issue State tomorrow would you apply for a CCW permit?

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Concealed Carry in Hawaii (Read 88325 times)

punaperson

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2014, 05:50:41 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on April 25, 2014, 09:45:05 PM
Regardless, Some don't have the maturity, nor possess the common sense, to carry.
So are you claiming that this is your "expert" opinion and that you have examined how many people and what percentage of them didn't meet your standard? And what is your standard and how did you arrive at it and what is the name of the standardized test that you use? Or are you just making stuff up?
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mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2014, 05:57:33 PM »
Quote from: bubba808 on April 26, 2014, 05:22:14 PM
look.  Do you have a problem reading? Where the hell did I say anything about a government agency.  If you could read, you would have seen where i pointed out "similar to what funtimes teaches".  is funtimes class a  government run agency? 
Now who's brilliant? SMH

Yeah I have a problem reading ... your mind!  Say what you mean and use a broader vocabulary.  It's not my reading -- it's your writing.

What you said was "passing a "compentency test"? Similar to..." 

You need to be more explicit.  Are you referring to mental competency, or did you mean "firearm proficiency and shooting skills?"

After reading your constant postings against CCW for anyone other than law enforcement because of your personal fears and beliefs, I'm curious whether you actually support any level of competency tests (mental or firearms proficiency) to the point it will persuade you to trust civilians with conceal firearms in public, lest you get hit by a random stray bullet!
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Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2014, 06:14:53 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on April 26, 2014, 12:50:48 PM
I'm a firm believer that if you can't defend yourself without a gun, you have no business carrying a gun for defense. Learn how to fight before you even think about CCW. You may have to fight to maintain possession of your gun.

Just my 2 cents.

Ruling out elderly, disabled, and many others.
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mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #24 on: April 26, 2014, 06:19:41 PM »
Quote from: 2aHawaii on April 26, 2014, 06:14:53 PM
Ruling out elderly, disabled, and many others.

+1000

Firearms are the great equalizers.  No longer should people live by the law of the jungle.  Criminals target people they think are weaker and defenseless.  So, at the outset, the confrontation is purposely mismatched. 
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Tom

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #25 on: April 26, 2014, 06:21:58 PM »
Often the people who say that many people aren't responsible enough for CCW sound a lot like "Guns for me, but not for thee" crowd...
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dogman

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2014, 07:35:03 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on April 25, 2014, 09:45:05 PM
Regardless, Some don't have the maturity, nor possess the common sense, to carry.
I could agree with that, but some of these guys may already be carrying right now.
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Dblnaknak

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #27 on: April 26, 2014, 08:22:31 PM »

Quote from: 2aHawaii on April 26, 2014, 06:14:53 PM
Ruling out elderly, disabled, and many others.

Yep. It is what it is. Not all people should be allowed to carry.
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Teichi

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #28 on: April 26, 2014, 08:36:30 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on April 26, 2014, 08:22:31 PM
Yep. It is what it is. Not all people should be allowed to carry.
There are many that should be allowed concealed carry.
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Teichi

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #29 on: April 26, 2014, 08:39:12 PM »
Disparity of force is one reason
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Teichi

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #30 on: April 26, 2014, 08:42:38 PM »
Didn't a couple of women go missing recently?
What about the unsolved ones from years before?
Remember Diane Suzuki?
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Teichi

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #31 on: April 26, 2014, 08:50:27 PM »
The right for citizens to bear arms is not a new concept.
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Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #32 on: April 26, 2014, 09:22:41 PM »
Does an emoticon of a head banging against a wall exist? If so, I vote we add that to our list of options... As well as the beating a dead horse one.
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Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #33 on: April 26, 2014, 09:37:22 PM »
Our rights were created for EVERYONE. Some may use them wisely, some not. It is NOT for us to decide."The test" was being born american and human. Everybody has a God given right to self defense. Especially with a Gun. Human life is precious. Even those who disagree with us. Dont start splitting our cause. We can train everyone to their best ability. We are facing the same obstacles as other states that began CCW. The same B.S. thinking etc. Guess what??? The worst NEVER happened. We as gun owners were very law abiding and careful. Stay together guys. We are soooo close. Do not separate ourselves. Include ALL those who want a CCW. The rest CAN be taught.Be inclusive. Take the higher ground. Thanks for hearing me out.
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SOLEsource684

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #34 on: April 26, 2014, 09:38:47 PM »
If you pass the whole process to obtain a permit for a handgun that should be sufficient for you to apply for a CCW. I could see maybe a CCW class as a requirement and personally wouldn't mind. As firearms owners we should already understand local, federal laws and the consequences for breaking them. The responsibility is soley on the CCW permit holder. Rambo, sheepdog, movie types whatever you want to call it doesn't matter the 2nd Amendment applies to everyone who can lawfully own/operate firearms.

There are people who should never be allowed to drive, but if they pass the tests they get their license and cars kill more people then firearms do.
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punaperson

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #35 on: April 26, 2014, 10:01:06 PM »
Quote from: dogman on April 26, 2014, 07:35:03 PM
I could agree with that, but some of these guys may already be carrying right now.
You mean like the cops, excuse me, "Law Enforcement Officers" that routinely shoot dogs and elderly people in their homes during mistaken "drug" raids?
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punaperson

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #36 on: April 26, 2014, 10:16:55 PM »
Quote from: Dblnaknak on April 26, 2014, 08:22:31 PM
Quote from: 2aHawaii on Today at 06:14:53 PM
Ruling out elderly, disabled, and many others.

Yep. It is what it is. Not all people should be allowed to carry.
Am I understanding correctly that your response to means "Yes, that is correct, those who aren't able to fight without a firearm ought not be allowed to carry any arm, especially a firearm, if they are elderly, disabled, or for many other reasons."?

Or are you asserting that "not ALL people should be allowed to carry"? Because no one has asserted that ALL people should be allowed to carry. Those people disqualified from ownership due to violent felony conviction, adjudicated mentally ill, documented substance abuse problems, etc. are already disqualified from ownership, much less CCW. Since that would be nothing but a strawman argument, you must have meant the first. Why should those people be disqualified due to being elderly or having a disability?
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mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #37 on: April 26, 2014, 10:24:01 PM »
Quote from: kia_killer on April 26, 2014, 09:22:41 PM
Does an emoticon of a head banging against a wall exist? If so, I vote we add that to our list of options... As well as the beating a dead horse one.
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mauidog

Re: Concealed Carry in Hawaii
« Reply #38 on: April 26, 2014, 10:37:36 PM »
Quote from: punaperson on April 26, 2014, 10:16:55 PM
Am I understanding correctly that your response to means "Yes, that is correct, those who aren't able to fight without a firearm ought not be allowed to carry any arm, especially a firearm, if they are elderly, disabled, or for many other reasons."?

Or are you asserting that "not ALL people should be allowed to carry"? Because no one has asserted that ALL people should be allowed to carry. Those people disqualified from ownership due to violent felony conviction, adjudicated mentally ill, documented substance abuse problems, etc. are already disqualified from ownership, much less CCW. Since that would be nothing but a strawman argument, you must have meant the first. Why should those people be disqualified due to being elderly or having a disability?

2aHawaii was disagreeing with Dblnaknak's opinion/belief "that if you can't defend yourself without a gun, you have no business carrying a gun for defense."  2aHawaii gave examples of people who are unable to defend themselves and therefore DEPEND ON firearms for protection. 

Saying nobody should carry a gun unless they can protect themselves without a gun is like saying you can't go to the grocery store unless you grow your own food first.  It makes no sense whatsoever! 
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« Reply #39 on: April 26, 2014, 11:26:23 PM »
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