Bubba808, I'm going to ask you to stay away from topics of CCW. Since you stated before that this is your personal belief for yourself and you refuse to look at the merits as a legal right, it doesn't make sense for you to be arguing this way. Thanks
You purport to say that with Hawaii's, our country's for that matter, low voter turnout then invalidates our democratic electoral process. Truthfully that may not be bad thing, you get my point though right?
I have been very reluctant to enter this thread because of the volatility between participants, I do have just one statement to make however and I will step out. 2aHawaii is a forum that supports the design and structure of the second amendment. The basic jist of the amendment is that we the people have the right to, "keep and bear arms". Enough said. Why would you join 2aHawaii and then tear apart the very context of the the second amendment as was written by our founding fathers? You are entitled to your opinion, would it not be better, though; to create your own 2aHawaii "sort of" forum to express your agenda to those that support the "sort of" position you have with the second amendment.
I am regretting getting into this thread. I am ready for the whipping, I respectfully decline any further engagement. Thanks for letting me share my thoughts.
Kekoa, thanks for chiming in, even if only momentarily. I'm sure that you are not the only person hesitant and/or not writing on this or other threads (this one has over 4500 views and only 180 comments).
My opinion is that even if Bubba808 is a troll, perhaps even a paid troll (extremely low probability given the poor quality of comments) from MDAFGSIA or EFGS (aka Bloomberg Bucks), the positions/views/"arguments" presented by him/her, no matter how illogical, irrational, incoherent or lacking in supporting evidence are indicative of the typical views held by a significant segment of the general population that opposes a more literal (actual meaning of words) interpretation of "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". By countering those views here, those of us who argue against such views to other citizens, including those citizens who are our elected or appointed representatives in legislatures and law enforcement, etc. are able to "train" by seeing what the "enemy" is offering to support their beliefs, values, and actions. Of course it's not really necessary as we've heard all this stuff before, much of it over 30 years ago from Handgun Control, Inc., etc. Still, it's my hope (I have no data to support any belief or conclusion) that some people that read these threads either 1. gain new (or reinforcing) information and/or arguments that help them determine a logical evidence-based position on Second Amendment rights (which they can then express repeatedly to those in positions of power who determine to what degree we can exercise those rights), or 2. are entertained or possibly even amused.
If someone started their own site or even thread about "2ahawaii sort of" it would have very few viewers. Probably even trolls would avoid it. Here, Bubba808, troll or not, has a relatively large audience, which perhaps meets some need that would not be met by an unread un-viewed dedicated anti-Second Amendment (anti-CCW for the average person) site.
I'd support a free expression mode for the thread, but I understand that this is a private entity and no First Amendment right exists here, so I also understand that at some point it looks fruitless and pointless. Admins call.
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