What kind of government do we have? (Read 8111 times)

Jl808

What kind of government do we have?
« on: April 28, 2014, 11:53:52 PM »

... a republic or an oligarchy?
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sliver

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2014, 12:11:10 AM »
under Obama, we are going to have a communist state...

Q

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« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2014, 01:30:58 AM »
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edster48

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2014, 07:09:09 AM »
The Republic has degenerated into an Oligarchy due to the complacency and apathy of its citizens.

At this point I see few alternatives to fighting another civil war to return us to the form of government the founders intended for us when they penned the Constitution.

Both Democrats and Republicans in the last 50 years have been working towards this end. There may have been a few that have stood against the changes, but in the end , they inevitably serve those that put them in office, or they are swept aside. Until we end the power of lobbyists and special interests we'll continue to see our freedoms taken from us, inch by inch. They will do whatever is needed to protect their investment, and we will pay the price.

I have to agree with Q regarding some of his statements in other threads. Most will simply comply in order to save themselves, or so they believe.
 A minority will risk everything to return our country to what it once was, regardless of the seemingly insurmountable odds.

I intend to be in that minority.
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

ren

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2014, 07:11:06 AM »
Under our current President, I've noticed more racial issues in the news and gender/sexual preferences being wrapped under the term - bigotry.
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Rocky

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2014, 07:50:30 AM »
The Republic has degenerated into an Oligarchy due to the complacency and apathy of its citizens.

At this point I see few alternatives to fighting another civil war to return us to the form of government the founders intended for us when they penned the Constitution.

Both Democrats and Republicans in the last 50 years have been working towards this end. There may have been a few that have stood against the changes, but in the end , they inevitably serve those that put them in office, or they are swept aside. Until we end the power of lobbyists and special interests we'll continue to see our freedoms taken from us, inch by inch. They will do whatever is needed to protect their investment, and we will pay the price.

I have to agree with Q regarding some of his statements in other threads. Most will simply comply in order to save themselves, or so they believe.
 A minority will risk everything to return our country to what it once was, regardless of the seemingly insurmountable odds.

I intend to be in that minority.

+100,000,000  :thumbsup:
“I ask you to judge me by the enemies I have made.”
                                                           Franklin D. Roosevelt

Jl808

What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2014, 09:13:47 PM »
I like how this video re-frames the misleading left-right political paradigm and presents it as a scale between 100% government control (totalitarianism) vs 0% government control (anarchy), and the middle spectrum in between.

The % scale of government control is a more accurate paradigm showing what's important to individual liberties and rights.
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Q

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passivekinetic

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2014, 12:13:59 AM »
Let me ask y'all this question:

What do you think is the best form of government?

But you have to be realistic, keep in mind people's behaviors and natures, good and bad.

I thought the USA had a pretty darn good system with checks and balances. WTF went wrong? (I guess one can just blame it on increasing public apathy and ignorance; is this an intelligence issue or something else?).

If not the USA system, what is the best system?
"The sheep fear sheepdogs, because they fail to see the wolves."
- Anonymous

BananaClip

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2014, 12:42:44 PM »
Its all written....

Hope is an extremely powerful thing.....

Right now in a "WORLDLY" point of view, our government is transforming from a country

that WAS under God to a country that no longer wants to be affiliated with Jesus/God......

All of this craziness will get more crazy as time goes by.. Like the Frog in the Tea Kettle....

As our beloved government "turns the heat up" ever so slowly we'll just learn to live with it,

as long as Jesus or God is not mentioned, some how we'll be OK....

An other words "no hope"

No one has to agree, thats where FREE WILL comes in to play.....

Some how people can't see how BLESSED we were under the ALMIGHTY...

 Its Gods free love that America no longer wants.....or think they no longer need....

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth"- Genesis1:1 KJV

"The Truth Shall Set You Free"

"Once Blind But Now i See"

Rocky

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2014, 02:13:50 PM »


     When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
     
    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness; that, to secure these rights, governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed; that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

   Prudence, indeed, will dictate that governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former systems of government.
     The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his assent should be obtained; and, when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of representation in the legislature, a right inestimable to them, and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved representative houses repeatedly, for opposing, with manly firmness, his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the legislative powers, incapable of annihilation, have returned to the people at large for their exercise; the state remaining, in the mean time, exposed to all the dangers of invasions from without and convulsions within.
He has endeavored to prevent the population of these states; for that purpose obstructing the laws for naturalization of foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migration hither, and raising the conditions of new appropriations of lands.

The Unanimous Declaration of the Thirteen United States of America
In Congress, July 4, 1776

    Not an "O" fan, but a president presides for a mere 8 years max and SHTF well over 6 years ago.
Seems we just have a new "King" and that would be career politicians.   :grrr:
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Jl808

What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2014, 07:47:08 PM »
Let me ask y'all this question:

What do you think is the best form of government?

But you have to be realistic, keep in mind people's behaviors and natures, good and bad.

I thought the USA had a pretty darn good system with checks and balances. WTF went wrong? (I guess one can just blame it on increasing public apathy and ignorance; is this an intelligence issue or something else?).

If not the USA system, what is the best system?

I am not a political expert but as a start, decrease the powers of the central government and move them back to the local governments. There is a point where governments that are too big become unwieldy and incapable of meeting the needs of the smaller groups that comprise it.

Empower and hold accountable smaller and local communities to take the responsibility of improving their own lives instead of relying on the big central government to do their work for them. No one will be as careful with the prioritized spending of their own money as the owners of those monies. 

Conversely, no one will be as wasteful as those in charge of spending other people's monies. Nothing disempowers individuals and communities than knowing nothing they do can affect the larger central government.

Let each community take responsibility of their own communities and start "competing" with other communities.  The answer lies in strengthening local communities instead of strengthening central governments.
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edster48

Re: What kind of government do we have?
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2014, 08:34:21 PM »
I am not a political expert but as a start, decrease the powers of the central government and move them back to the local governments. There is a point where governments that are too big become unwieldy and incapable of meeting the needs of the smaller groups that comprise it.

Empower and hold accountable smaller and local communities to take the responsibility of improving their own lives instead of relying on the big central government to do their work for them. No one will be as careful with the prioritized spending of their own money as the owners of those monies. 

Conversely, no one will be as wasteful as those in charge of spending other people's monies. Nothing disempowers individuals and communities than knowing nothing they do can affect the larger central government.

Let each community take responsibility of their own communities and start "competing" with other communities.  The answer lies in strengthening local communities instead of strengthening central governments.

Very astute, centralized power structures favor those in power, not the citizenry.

 :thumbsup: +1000!
Always be yourself.
Unless you can be a pirate.
Then always be a pirate.

Q

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« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2014, 09:06:21 PM »
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