One time i went to kokohead on a furlough friday cause i didn't even realize it was a furlough day and saw a few people there.  One guy was at a bench shooting a bolt rifle and had his target set up and everything.  What's up with that?  Do people just go there and use the range even though they're not suppose to?

Technically, I donʻt think there is any law against it...

rofl, if there's no law against it, then i guess we can all just go shoot then?

There are rules against it. You should only be there if you have a park use permit.  In fact -- as the law is written - no one should ever go to kokohead for anything, unless they had a park use permit.

so how does one get a park use permit?  Is this the same kind of permit that was basicallly recalled for the night shoots?

so how does one get a park use permit?  Is this the same kind of permit that was basicallly recalled for the night shoots?

You have to apply to the very friendly range master, or other person in charge.  Yes, Hawaii law requires a permit for any person who wishes to engage in a sporting activity while in a public park.

Oh ! Did I mention you need to do this three weeks prior to you wanting to go =o ?

If you went to the beach to surf you are a criminal, or if you meet up with a friend to talk or discuss something in a public park (you should have gotten a permit three weeks prior).

The rifle and pistol range fall under the supervision of the HPD on furlough days, just as it does on regular days in the morning hours prior to public hours or on Mon / Tues.  Not sure who you observed shooting up there, but the rifle range is being scheduled or being used by Officers or other authorized agency personnel signing in with HPD range staff and utilizing the rifle range.   If there are non authorized persons using the rifle range or handgun range on furlough Fridays it is not permitted.  I can guarantee if there are HPD range staff present and they notice anyone shooting they will address this if they observe anyone shooting on that side of the range who has not checked in and who is not authorized. 

Hope this helps. 

Quote from: Ichigeki Hissatsu on June 01, 2011, 06:09:45 PM

so how does one get a park use permit?  Is this the same kind of permit that was basicallly recalled for the night shoots?

You have to apply to the very friendly range master, or other person in charge.  Yes, Hawaii law requires a permit for any person who wishes to engage in a sporting activity while in a public park.

Oh ! Did I mention you need to do this three weeks prior to you wanting to go =o ?

If you went to the beach to surf you are a criminal, or if you meet up with a friend to talk or discuss something in a public park (you should have gotten a permit three weeks prior).

Funtimes......enough man. We got it.  You are upset with the management at KHSC.  We support your efforts and appreciate what you did.  I am sure they are
monitoring the site so please, just let the chip fall were they stand and lets move on guy.

Funtimes......enough man. We got it.  You are upset with the management at KHSC.  We support your efforts and appreciate what you did.  I am sure they are
monitoring the site so please, just let the chip fall were they stand and lets move on guy.

Um excuse me, I did little more than answer the questions presented, and multiple questions were asked.

 It was asked if there was a law prohibiting it - there is; I explained it.

It was asked  how one gets the permit. I answered it, by explaining the time requirement needed beforehand, and who you must request it from.


BMW wasn't sure if there was a law, well there are a few.  One prohibits anyone from gathering for things such as a meeting. The other requires permits for all sporting activities conducted by anyone.  This has nothing to do with my disdain for management.  I answered the questions.

http://www1.honolulu.gov/council/ocs/roh/10.pdf

a bunch of the other crap is contained in some of these various abominations of regulations.
http://www1.honolulu.gov/parks/rules/index1.htm

The rifle and pistol range fall under the supervision of the HPD on furlough days, just as it does on regular days in the morning hours prior to public hours or on Mon / Tues.  Not sure who you observed shooting up there, but the rifle range is being scheduled or being used by Officers or other authorized agency personnel signing in with HPD range staff and utilizing the rifle range.   If there are non authorized persons using the rifle range or handgun range on furlough Fridays it is not permitted.  I can guarantee if there are HPD range staff present and they notice anyone shooting they will address this if they observe anyone shooting on that side of the range who has not checked in and who is not authorized. 

Hope this helps.

I see.  Good to know.  The guy i saw up there just seemed like a local guy.  T-shirt, shorts, slippers.  Didn't look or present himself like a cop at all.  He almost seemed like he had a "oh shit, i'm busted" look on his face when i first approached him on why the range was so empty.

Quote from: Ichigeki Hissatsu on June 01, 2011, 06:09:45 PM

so how does one get a park use permit?  Is this the same kind of permit that was basicallly recalled for the night shoots?

You have to apply to the very friendly range master, or other person in charge.  Yes, Hawaii law requires a permit for any person who wishes to engage in a sporting activity while in a public park.

Oh ! Did I mention you need to do this three weeks prior to you wanting to go =o ?

If you went to the beach to surf you are a criminal, or if you meet up with a friend to talk or discuss something in a public park (you should have gotten a permit three weeks prior).

So in order to go play frisbee at kakaako park, i would need to get a permit 3 weeks prior to me going to go play frisbee?

LOL!!!!!!  Fucking laws are so dumb.

FT maybe you can post the link that stated that?

On a side note, I think it's good to dig up these skeletons on our terms instead of waiting for the anti's terms. Change is going to dislodge a lot of people that have become extremely complacent, including myself, and force them to act. Naturally, some would be unhappy that their way of doing things, whether fundamentally right or downright wrong, is going to be affected. I'm a really lazy guy, so I'm glad someone is persistently kicking up the dirt and bringing these dumb laws to light, which would have otherwise stayed in the shadows until evoked by the anti's.  It's a matter of focusing our unhappiness in the right direction. It's a long road ahead; maybe one day we'll galvanize together and be pissed off at the right people! GO TEAM....uhh......erm....GO TEAM 2AHAWAII! 

Does the permit include the dog that catches the frisbee?

Sec. 10-1.3 Permits.
(a) Required. Any person using the recreational and other areas and facilities under the control, maintenance,
management and operation of the department of parks and recreation shall first obtain a permit from the
department for the following uses:
(1) Picnic groups, consisting of 50 or more persons;
(2) Camping;
(3) Sports activities conducted by either a league, organization, association, group or individual;
(4) Recreational activities, including nonprofit fundraising activities, sponsored by community
organizations, associations, groups or individuals;
(5) Meetings or gatherings or other similar activity held by organizations, associations or groups;
(6) Nonrecreational, public service activities, meetings and gatherings held by organizations,
communities or groups;
(7) Right of entry into parks for installation of utilities or construction work;
( The playing of musical instruments as solo or two or more instruments which fall within the
standards described in paragraphs (A), (B) and (C) of this subdivision:


--- Sports activities is not defined, neither is the size of a group (many states do define these terms). While frisbee might not be a sport, it would be a recreation activity and would fall under (4).

(off topic!) I didn't know this, but found out yesterday, do you know you have to register bicycles with the state and pay 15 bucks!

(off topic!) I didn't know this, but found out yesterday, do you know you have to register bicycles with the state and pay 15 bucks!

Lol yep knew that one.

I got a good one for you, a year or two ago a police officer in Kailua hit a woman on a bicycle in his squad car.  The lady was heading to work (I think a vet clinic or something). After hitting her (destroying her bicycle), and then checking to see if she was ok, he ticketed her for not having a valid bike registration. I remember reading that story and going "wow, you just banged her with your car, and now you're gonna be a jerk and ticket her...". Though I agree she didn't have her bike registered, you'd figure the officer could have let her off with a warning considering he just trashed her only mode of transportation (yep, she didn't have a car, hence she was riding her bike to work)...

*snip from http://www.khsc.info/ *

Welcome to the Koko Head Shooting Complex, Oahu's ONLY public shooting range.  KHSC is operated by the Department of Parks and Recreation, City and County of Honolulu.  Here you'll find Rifle, Pistol and Shotgun shooting venues. Rifle venues are the Rifle Range and .22 Metallic Silhouette.  Handgun opportunities include a 25 and 50 yard bulls-eye target range , handgun metallic silhouette, action pistol and cowboy.  Shotguns sports include trap and skeet.  Shotguns may be function fired on the rifle range.  This is a Shooting Complex, so we have Archery here too!

(off topic!) I didn't know this, but found out yesterday, do you know you have to register bicycles with the state and pay 15 bucks!

Yes, and you have to pay a $5.00 transfer fee if you sell it.

http://www.khsc.info/

this site is maintained privately

I've got a warning one time really long time ago for not having my bike registered.

Just about 6 months ago though I got pulled over on my bike for riding on the "undeveloped sidewalk" in waikiki (the freaking grass). As is SOP, they flipped over my bike to read the serial number, which was unreadable due to wear, and I also don't have it registered. I bought it from NEX (or Hickam) and it didn't come with any registering papers or whatever. They were just patrolling to inform bikers to not ride there anymore, so no citation was issued. Back to choking on exhaust behind big ass busses, trolleys, delivery trucks, beautification crews, and angry drivers.

 Thanks C&C for making it illegal to ride bikes on sidewalks in waikiki! I hope by passing that measure, we've reduced the disasterously large amount of personal injuries and death that must've occured each year because a biker collides with a pedestrian.

http://www.khsc.info/

this site is maintained privately

Roger that.

Closest thing I could find is this http://gis.hicentral.com/FastMaps/ParksDEV/ParkDetails.aspx?id=30&lyrLst=1|0|0|0|1|aerial from http://www1.honolulu.gov/parks/  under Koko Head District Park. Some of the .gov links in there mention KH Distric Park as housing the archery range, and in a 2007 committee meeting minutes, it mentions KH Regional Park housing the archery range.

Sorry I think I suck at digging this info!