Washington DC Grants Full Concealed Carry Reciprocity! (Read 3048 times)

Jdelacruz

Washington DC Grants Full Concealed Carry Reciprocity!
« on: July 27, 2014, 05:13:18 PM »
http://www.triangletactical.net/2014/07/27/breaking-washing-dc-grants-full-concealed-carry-reciprocity/

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DC Police Chief Lanier just told force not to arrest a person who can legally carry a gun in DC or any state.

If this can happen in DC why not Hawaii?

Jl808

Washington DC Grants Full Concealed Carry Reciprocity!
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2014, 06:23:38 PM »
Maybe we should all follow Funtimes' lead and sue the city for not granting CCW?  Class action action?

With all these rash of recent armed robberies, I'd feel better being armed when my family and I are out and about.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2014, 07:19:53 PM by Jl808 »
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punaperson

Re: Washington DC Grants Full Concealed Carry Reciprocity!
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2014, 09:27:52 PM »
If this can happen in DC why not Hawaii?
Because, as impossible as it seems, Hawaii is even more (enter word or words of your choice) than Washington, D.C.

BigBlue

Re: Washington DC Grants Full Concealed Carry Reciprocity!
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2014, 10:26:35 PM »
Because, as impossible as it seems, Hawaii is even more (enter word or words of your choice) than Washington, D.C.

Plus with all the legal gun owners in Hawaii constantly committing crimes, letting them walk around with those scary guns would be really dangerous.

 ;D

punaperson

Re: Washington DC Grants Full Concealed Carry Reciprocity!
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2014, 06:08:23 AM »
Plus with all the legal gun owners in Hawaii constantly committing crimes, letting them walk around with those scary guns would be really dangerous.
"Americans for Responsible Action" (I have to put that in quotes because I must be irresponsible since I oppose their proposals), the Giffords and Kelly gun control organization, sent out an email the other day with the stats on how many "intimate partner" homicides in Hawaii were committed with firearms (29.4%). so I had to write and ask them some questions (which includes how many of those crimes were committed with legally-owned guns). Haven't heard back yet, but did get another request that I send them money.

Could you please tell me the methods/tools used in the other 70.6% of intimate partner homicides in Hawaii?

Could you please tell me how many of those 29.4% of intimate partner homicides committed with a gun were with guns legally owned by the perpetrator? How many were committed with illegally possessed guns?

Every firearm purchase in Hawaii, private sale or otherwise, requires a background check, which includes a two week waiting period for a handgun, so the legislation you propose would have no effect on that issue here.

What criteria do you want to establish in order for a person to be denied the ability to lawfully purchase a gun? What protections will be put in place to prevent false allegations from denying a person their lawful ability to purchase a weapon? How would the law you are proposing stop people who already acquire guns illegally from acquiring them illegally?

Please tell me the source of your statistics so I can read the full details for myself.

HiCarry

Re: Washington DC Grants Full Concealed Carry Reciprocity!
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2014, 11:43:14 AM »
http://www.triangletactical.net/2014/07/27/breaking-washing-dc-grants-full-concealed-carry-reciprocity/

If this can happen in DC why not Hawaii?
Because Hawaii doesn't technically have a complete ban on the carrying of firearms outside the home. Washington D.C. does....ooops, did....

And they did not technically grant reciprocity to anyone, they just were prohibited from enforcing any laws against carrying a firearm outside their home. Therefore, having no enforceable laws against carrying a firearm, they must allow; i'e. "Constitutional Carry." That being said, Chief Cathy Lanier did issue some "guidelines" about arresting and charging individuals with gun crimes. But, IMHO, and IANAL, her advisement pivot on stopping people for the exercise of a lawful activity and are therefore in and of themselves, unconstitutional. In other words, to detain someone for a non-consensual "interview" the officers must have a reason to do so. The exercise of a legal activity cannot be the sole basis for that detention (US v. DeBerry).

Hawaii has a law allowing concealed carry with a permit, but allows the designated bureaucrat, in this case the Chief of Police, to subjectively evaluate any applications for that permit. That is the basis for the Peruta, Prieto, and Baker, that requiring a "good cause" to exercise a fundamental Constitutional right is, well, unconstitutional. 
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