Interesting study that shows Hawaii is on the bottom of the list, again.....

http://mercatus.org/freedom-50-states-2011

...well we beat California, New York, and New Jersey

That's a big long study to read. I'm glad there is a synopsis on the page you linked.

Do you believe a citizen of Hawaii could become institutionalized?

Say, we move from one of the bottom 5 least free states, to a state in the top 5 most free; would he know what to do with himself?
Would he be so accustomed to someone telling what he can or can't do that he is unable to make his own decisions, and will end up moving back to a bottom 5 state soon after?
Or would you think your perception of freedom doesn't actually affect your ability to function when applied in practical terms?
 Perhaps he will learn to take in newfound freedoms with open arms and in great strides, and vow never to return?

What is the value of freedom, and how does this ranking affect us, as number 47 out of 50?

I kinda believe that if a civilization is controlled and brain washed long enough, it will not know how to protect itself and survive in an emergency situation.... Easier to control something that is not educated and armed to protect itself...

Do you believe a citizen of Hawaii could become institutionalized?

Say, we move from one of the bottom 5 least free states, to a state in the top 5 most free; would he know what to do with himself?
Would he be so accustomed to someone telling what he can or can't do that he is unable to make his own decisions, and will end up moving back to a bottom 5 state soon after?
Or would you think your perception of freedom doesn't actually affect your ability to function when applied in practical terms?
 Perhaps he will learn to take in newfound freedoms with open arms and in great strides, and vow never to return?

What is the value of freedom, and how does this ranking affect us, as number 47 out of 50?

Huh?

Quote from: Dregs on June 21, 2011, 11:17:53 AM

Do you believe a citizen of Hawaii could become institutionalized?

Say, we move from one of the bottom 5 least free states, to a state in the top 5 most free; would he know what to do with himself?
Would he be so accustomed to someone telling what he can or can't do that he is unable to make his own decisions, and will end up moving back to a bottom 5 state soon after?
Or would you think your perception of freedom doesn't actually affect your ability to function when applied in practical terms?
 Perhaps he will learn to take in newfound freedoms with open arms and in great strides, and vow never to return?

What is the value of freedom, and how does this ranking affect us, as number 47 out of 50?

Huh?

You know, like Brooks in Shawshank Redemption

Quote from: Kingkeoni on June 21, 2011, 06:03:10 PM

Quote from: Dregs on June 21, 2011, 11:17:53 AM

Do you believe a citizen of Hawaii could become institutionalized?

Say, we move from one of the bottom 5 least free states, to a state in the top 5 most free; would he know what to do with himself?
Would he be so accustomed to someone telling what he can or can't do that he is unable to make his own decisions, and will end up moving back to a bottom 5 state soon after?
Or would you think your perception of freedom doesn't actually affect your ability to function when applied in practical terms?
 Perhaps he will learn to take in newfound freedoms with open arms and in great strides, and vow never to return?

What is the value of freedom, and how does this ranking affect us, as number 47 out of 50?

Huh?

You know, like Brooks in Shawshank Redemption

 I wish I could tell you that he fought the good fight, and the Sisters let him be. I wish I could tell you that - but Hawaii is no fairy-tale world.

Until the people in Hawaii can get together for the RIGHT causes, she will not move up on that list any.

Amazing how much people can get together, and so much fuss can be made, over a foodland in Hawaii Kai, but when it comes down to the rights being eroded, constant raising of taxes, legislature coming up with ridiculous laws, and the legislature generally not doing a dang thing to protect it's citizenry, not hardly a few stand to do what needs to be done.

People need to get to the voting booths and cast ballots for folks that will do the right things for this state, and stop voting is the same old dingbats into office.

People need to get to the voting booths and cast ballots for folks that will do the right things for this state, and stop voting is the same old dingbats into office.

That is the problem in a nutshell.

The same old liberal idiots get voted in term after term.

Or in the case of Abercrombie they go rob other states of their rights then return to Hawaii for business as usual.

Or would you think your perception of freedom doesn't actually affect your ability to function when applied in practical terms?

That's the problem.  Seems that most people are only concerned with day-to-day realities. 

Get up.

Brush your teeth.

Comb your hair.

Eat your breakfast.

Go to work.

Sometimes I look back on my 7 decades and think about all the freedoms lost.  It takes a long-term perspective to see how freedom has actually been gradually eroded so badly, but it isn't apparent on the aforementioned day-to-day basis. 

The statists know exactly how to keep their gradual elimination of freedoms at a sub-threshold level.

I hate to sound partriarchal and fogey-ish, but most foks nowadays don't know what freedom is, compared to even six decades ago.  And this is true even in my Colorado, which is ranked 7th.

Experiment:  go look at the various licensing and permitting authorities for cities, counties, and your State and you will be surprised at how many things need permits and licenses. 

Let alone the Federal ones.

See,  you send these folks to the Capitols as lawmakers, and guess what?  They make laws.  This process is inevitable and will continue until everything is either prohibited or mandatory.

My personal feeling is that every law ought to have an expiration date not to exceed five years.  That way, these here, now, Makers-Of-Law will be so busy re-passing old good laws that they won't have time to pass any new bad ones.

Terry, 230RN

(Edited for spelling after being quoted.)

I think the next decade is going to bring about the restoration of lots of constitutional principals.  The 10th Amendment issues are rising, Federal laws are going to start getting knocked down in the near future.

I think the next decade is going to bring about the restoration of lots of constitutional principals.  The 10th Amendment issues are rising, Federal laws are going to start getting knocked down in the near future.

One can only hope. I do think the 2nd Amendment issues have been on a good track though.

The restoration of the 2A will be mostly over by 2013, or about a 50% chance by 2012.  Drugs and Health Care reform could be the destruction of many federal laws on 10th amendment principals.  The last opinion was 9-0 in favor of federalism and the "republic".  This could be a big ass gap in NFA, Drug laws etc.

every law ought to have an experation date not to esceed five years.

Now, there's an idea!  Except for the core moral laws such as seen in the 10 commandments(don't murder, steal, etc.) that would keep those lawmakers out of the peoples hair.