Maybe cause there was a passenger in the car? At the same time, not shooting caused all three officers to get hurt?

One thing in noticed is the officers have 12 to 20 something years on the force opposed  to 6 years of the officer in the Waikiki incident.

I applaud them for thier restraint and hope for a speedy recovery.

Maybe cause there was a passenger in the car? At the same time, not shooting caused all three officers to get hurt?

And I'm okay with that.  Nobody, including the officers, was killed. 

The guy already had some 30 convictions.  Habitual drug user and dealer.  Do you think we could have stopped this entire situation by not placing habitual offenders back in society?  If you're looking for someone/something to blame for "all three officers to get hurt," I would focus on a judicial system that allows someone with this kind of history back on the streets to start with.

I'm fine with nobody getting killed but having the Officers getting hurt sucks. I also think the system is flawed and he still should have been locked away. At the same time it wouldn't bother me if the guy did get shot. If I was looking for someone to blame it wouldn't be the judicial system, it would be the criminal.

I'm fine with nobody getting killed but having the Officers getting hurt sucks. I also think the system is flawed and he still should have been locked away. At the same time it wouldn't bother me if the guy did get shot. If I was looking for someone to blame it wouldn't be the judicial system, it would be the criminal.

The criminal committed the crimes, but the system enabled him to make a lifelong career of it, allowing him to continue to victimize society.  The system is at least in my opinion an accomplice. 

I congratulate and respect these officers for actually being police officers.

I'm waiting for the jacks on this forum to comment about how this guy should have been shot because of scenario A, B, C & D and how he could have killed kids, puppies and bunny rabbits.

The reality is that the officers in this arrest are actual police officers that were not afraid to do actual police work.

Not some wimp with a badge that has no business being a police officer.

If a police officer can't take a couple of punches to arrest someone, he should quit and go manage a Mc Donald's.

I'd like to say a very sincere "Thank You" to these officers for their excellent service to the community.

If all police officers were like this, we wouldn't have people getting shot recklessly.

As is usually the norm, these officers handled this situation with aplomb.

I don't think anyone will disagree when I say our police force has many excellent officers that do their jobs well. The fact they suffered injuries in the course of this arrest is unfortunate, but dealing with physical aggression is a reality in their line of work.

I agree with Mauidog on this, the judicial system is complicit in the problems faced by HPD. They do a good job of arresting these pukes, it's not their fault that the courts and penal system release violent offenders.... 30 times or more.

Kudos officers, heal quickly, we need you out there.

Discretion is the better part of valor.

Good to have a story about some good officers
I know a few good ones myself.
So I know they are out there. 

As is usually the norm, these officers handled this situation with aplomb.

A bit off-topic but I learned a new word today. Thanks Ed. 

aplomb - self-confidence or assurance, especially when in a demanding situation.

There is HOPE for these convicts.

I congratulate and respect these officers for actually being police officers.

I'm waiting for the jacks on this forum to comment about how this guy should have been shot because of scenario A, B, C & D and how he could have killed kids, puppies and bunny rabbits.

The reality is that the officers in this arrest are actual police officers that were not afraid to do actual police work.

Not some wimp with a badge that has no business being a police officer.

If a police officer can't take a couple of punches to arrest someone, he should quit and go manage a Mc Donald's.

I'd like to say a very sincere "Thank You" to these officers for their excellent service to the community.

If all police officers were like this, we wouldn't have people getting shot recklessly.

So you sayin that po's who use their guns for self defense are whimps? this is a gun forum and prob over half bought guns for self defense so we dont have to fight them. you sayin we all cowards?

Not sure how you concluded that, but deadly force is a last resort for citizens and should be the same for law enforcement. I for one did not get guns just so I don't have to fight. I got it as a means to be able to fight if my life depended on it.

So you sayin that po's who use their guns for self defense are whimps? this is a gun forum and prob over half bought guns for self defense so we dont have to fight them. you sayin we all cowards?

Hahaha.....  TROLL   

So you sayin that po's who use their guns for self defense are whimps? this is a gun forum and prob over half bought guns for self defense so we dont have to fight them. you sayin we all cowards?

Since when are the terms "whimps" and "cowards" synonymous?

Some whimps may be cowards, but so are some physically intimidating people.

Some "whimps" may be slight in stature, physically challenged (maybe in a wheelchair), elderly, or simply less athletic than the iron-pumping "rehabilitated members of society" you often see being released from prison.

I believe KK is trying to articulate that police officers must be capable of going hands-on with a suspect and be confident of forcing him/her into submission without having to resort to deadly force. 

If the only way you can subdue a bad guy is to shoot them, maybe police field work isn't for you?

So you sayin that po's who use their guns for self defense are whimps? this is a gun forum and prob over half bought guns for self defense so we dont have to fight them. you sayin we all cowards?

Yup

ok you got me on the technical wording if you want to be anal about. as for hand combat sure they can do it but thats kinda hard when the guy is using his car to try to murder them. you seem to forget that one cop got hurt trying to escape. they could have shot and ended it or what you prefer and let him go which caused a high speed chase and then him ending up knocking over a pole. dont forget he had a young passenger in that chase. he could have hurt her and or other people. in fact he did, two more cops. you want the judical system to work by maybe tripling the consequence? who going pay for that? all that will do is extend the vacation time in between crimes. you know 3 meals a day, tv, internet, gym, aircon. do you really think it will prevent people from doing crimes? hell they got death sentences out there yet people still murder. imagine tax payers paying for 10 years in prison for stealing a car.

Yup

i guess so lol. we should lobby for cops to not carry guns cause they should go up and up since they train. what u no mma, sucks for u bro.

ok you got me on the technical wording if you want to be anal about. as for hand combat sure they can do it but thats kinda hard when the guy is using his car to try to murder them. you seem to forget that one cop got hurt trying to escape. they could have shot and ended it or what you prefer and let him go which caused a high speed chase and then him ending up knocking over a pole. dont forget he had a young passenger in that chase. he could have hurt her and or other people. in fact he did, two more cops. you want the judical system to work by maybe tripling the consequence? who going pay for that? all that will do is extend the vacation time in between crimes. you know 3 meals a day, tv, internet, gym, aircon. do you really think it will prevent people from doing crimes? hell they got death sentences out there yet people still murder. imagine tax payers paying for 10 years in prison for stealing a car.

And the Cops could have shot and killed the passenger trying to hit just the driver.

We can play this game all day long, but it doesn't change any of the facts in this specific story. 

"What if" cars all had devices that let COPs disable them to stop fleeing suspects? 

"What if" all parents raised their kids to respect COPs and do what they tell you to do without hesitation?

"What if" the minor girl in the car was actually kidnapped and being held against her will?

"What if" most of the COPs stayed in their cars and blocked the suspect's vehicle while a couple of other COPs approach him?

"What if" the guy was an ISIS terrorist planning to car bomb the Navy Exchange?

"What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if"  "What if" 

                                                         

so whats ur point. king says that cops shouldnt use their guns and should beef all criminals. all po's who uses guns are whimps. screw that. also what does it matter how you get a criminal off the streets as long as they off it. id prefer they say off of it for good.