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oldfart

Glock hindsight
« on: October 28, 2014, 01:01:50 PM »
Gents,

I don't own a Glock so I thought it was about time I got one. It seems like EVERBODY I know owns one.
It would be in 9mm ONLY just for testing, casual target practice and familiarity. I do not intend to seriously compete any more.
So to all of you gents who actually own a 9mm Glock and shoot it somewhat regularly, I ask:

1- Which model/ generation do you have?

2- Would you buy it again?

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?

4- What did you NOT like about it?

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?

7- express any other pertinent comment

Again, I am directing this survey towards experienced  9MM Glock owners ONLY.
I thank you all in advance for your help.
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robtmc

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2014, 01:39:22 PM »
Had a Gen1 17 in 9mm long ago, now a Gen4 30 in .45, so guess I cannot help you.
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Rocky

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2014, 01:52:11 PM »
Hey O.F.




1- Which model/ generation do you have?
I have a Gen 3 G19, wifey has the Gen 4 G17
The rest of the answers will be for both guns as we like to keep things the same, no matter which we pick up

2- Would you buy it again?
Definately   :love:

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes

4- What did you NOT like about it?
Little bigger than others for CCW, but that ain't a real issue yet, but it does get heavy around the house and yard.


5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Ghost (3.5) trigger job, $25.00, upgraded recoil springs $25.00 and yes, it's worth it.
We like the lighter 3.5# trigger better than the glock standard 5+# trigger.
Recoil springs changed as one failed du to OE  (put in backwards and slide charged :wacko:

   Also have  Advantage Arms .22 conversions for both which makes training ALOT cheaper.
Piss off a bunch of .22 support hand, on the move etc... then swap out to 9mm in seconds and go again.
Great for muscle memory.
Paid slightly over $240 for them back then, now running around $325

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
na

7- express any other pertinent comment
I too originally thought ... "Oh Gee, a plastic gun. That'll never last".
It's like the AK of pistols, run'm dirty and the still go !
At home I keep the only  G19 mag in it's well and all additional mags scattered about are for the G17 which still fit the G19 for obvious reasons.

Again, I am directing this survey towards experienced  9MM Glock owners ONLY.
Ooops, should have read the whole post first ! :rofl:

I thank you all in advance for your help. :shaka:
You may commence firing [==>>>
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2014, 02:20:45 PM »
Mahalo plenty bro Rocky.
That's the kind of feedback I can use.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2014, 02:27:43 PM »
Quote from: robtmc on October 28, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
Had a Gen1 17 in 9mm long ago, now a Gen4 30 in .45, so guess I cannot help you.
...
If you shot your gen1 a lot, take a look at the questions again and relate your experiences.
Mahalo plenty
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Jl808

Glock hindsight
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2014, 02:40:48 PM »
Hi Oldfart, I'm not a Glock owner. But you may want to get an aftermarket barrel since Glock barrels supposedly do not like reloads.  Supposed to be something to do with the hexagonal rifling.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 02:46:53 PM by Jl808 »
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macsak

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2014, 02:53:30 PM »
Quote from: Jl808 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
Hi Oldfart, I'm not a Glock owner. But you may want to get an aftermarket barrel since Glock barrels supposedly do not like reloads.  Supposed to be something to do with the hexagonal rifling.

i know on HKs, they say the cast lead reloads (not fmj) are what cause problems with hexagonal rifling
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robtmc

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2014, 03:10:36 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 02:27:43 PM
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If you shot your gen1 a lot, take a look at the questions again and relate your experiences.
Mahalo plenty
OK, if you trust my memory that much...

1.  It was definitely a Gen 1, did not have finger grooves or even the checkering on front and back of grip.  17 rd mags, being SoCal in the mid 80s.

2. Well, yes, I did, but not in 9mm.

3. Other than the trigger, yes.

4. Trigger, and the Gen1 grip could get slippery without any checkering, just the light pebble texture.

5. Added an early Ghost trigger bar and shaved down the safety lever on the trigger face so it did not dig into the finger on prolonged firing sessions.  Maybe $20 at the time.

6. It came with Glock plastic adjustable sights.  I found them adequate if not very quick to pick up.  Did not do any adjusting of them after initial.

7. No other comments.  Drifted away from the 9mm as I had always been a 1911 guy.  My biggest issue was with the trigger coming from the SA 1911, but with familiarity came more comfort with it.  Probably could have left it alone and just learned it better. 

Almost bought a Gen3 22 .40 at a great price because it felt so familiar and good in the hand, but did not like what I have heard about the .40.  I am sold on the solid Glock reliability.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2014, 03:38:57 PM by robtmc »
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #8 on: October 28, 2014, 04:30:12 PM »
Quote from: Jl808 on October 28, 2014, 02:40:48 PM
Hi Oldfart, I'm not a Glock owner. But you may want to get an aftermarket barrel since Glock barrels supposedly do not like reloads.  Supposed to be something to do with the hexagonal rifling.
...
Like mac sez...!There was some warning about running lead bullets down the poly barrels.
I gave up running lead 9mm many years ago. Not because of glocks.
It's just more finicky to get lead to perform in the 9mm.
That's a whole different topic.
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Surf

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2014, 05:56:57 PM »
Quote from: oldfart on October 28, 2014, 01:01:50 PM
Gents,

I don't own a Glock so I thought it was about time I got one. It seems like EVERBODY I know owns one.
It would be in 9mm ONLY just for testing, casual target practice and familiarity. I do not intend to seriously compete any more.
So to all of you gents who actually own a 9mm Glock and shoot it somewhat regularly, I ask:

I used to shoot more Sig Sauer but now I shoot more rounds out of a Glock pistol than all other pistols combined.  Those who know me understand that I shoot a G17 regularly, but I was very heavy Glock intensive the last 8 months with a huge student base and I personally fired A LOT 9mm rounds via a Gen 4 Glock 17 this year alone.     

1- Which model/ generation do you have?
All 9mm models with multiples in all but the G26.  They may range from Gen2's to Gen'4 but mostly Gen3's and 4's.  Wife has a Gen3 G19, mother has a Gen 3 G34 and father has Gen4 G17.

2- Would you buy it again?
Yes, still buying Glocks. I am not married to any brand and I am hoping for a better pistol, but right now it is still Glock on top given my needs.

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes, but it is easy to make it better.  Some people piss and moan when you alter a Glock or other polymer pistol, but commend you when you fully customize a 1911.  Well a Glock can be easily customized for very noticeable results so fitting a Glock should be just as normal as a high end 1911.

4- What did you NOT like about it?
Don't like the pronounced hump and where it is located on the backstrap and how it interacts with the hand during trigger manipulation.  Also do not like the trigger guard area as my "Glock knuckle" is very pronounced.  Also do not like the finger grooves.  On the upside, all of these things are easily changed and make a very noticeable difference.

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
See Below

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
I do not run adjustable sights on my Glock pistols.

7- express any other pertinent comment
See links that I provided for a wealth of reliable information.

Again, I am directing this survey towards experienced  9MM Glock owners ONLY.
I thank you all in advance for your help.
You may commence firing [==>>>

My favorite by far is the G17 in a Generation 4.  I do not have large hands and I don't use backstraps.  I shoot stock Glock's without issue however I prefer;

- Over molded fiber optic front sight (green then red), all black serrated rear.
- Vickers slide stop lever.
- Undercut trigger guard
- Radiused / de-horned sides of trigger guard
- Index cut, bottom of trigger guard with texture
- Texture index points on frame flats
- Finger grooves removed
- Texture front strap. Gen 4's texture is excellent
- Slight heat reduction of backstrap hump.
- Re-shape Gen 4 magazine release with texture
- Grip plug blended to magwell
- Heat shaped magwell / speedwell
- Magazine clearance cut bottom of frontstrap
- Minus or dot connector with standard spring
- Non serrated Gen 3 Trigger bar
- Tune components, de-horn, polish, re-contour

The following links are good threads and from one of the best forum resources with some of the most knowledgeable people on pistol shooting, which includes many professional shooters and trainers.  http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?86-What-I-do-to-my-Glocks-and-Why/page13.  I comment in that thread also. 

Here are some good related topics that are logged in that sites "Resource Area" as a sticky where I was asked to give comments on a topic that hits close on shooting the Glock specifically.  This is the response http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13673-Thoughts-on-the-grip and this is the entire thread where that response came from http://pistol-forum.com/showthread.php?13420-Trigger-finger-placement

It is hard to go wrong with a Glock.  If you don't like it your not much into it and the resale is pretty good.  Glocks, like anything else in life is not for everyone, but I will not that a good percentage of shooters, especially experienced shooters who switch to a Glock may have a shooting style or habits that do not translate well to the Glock and its personality.  I can fix most if not all people having issues with the Glock but it is a tough thing to get over without correct help.
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Inspector

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2014, 06:26:12 PM »
I am the original owner of a Glock 17 Gen 2. I bought it in the early 90's. I first put a Pachmeyer finger groove sleeve because I have long fingers and without it my hand didn't fit well. Now I have a Hogue sleeve on it. I put the Ghost 3.5 trigger on it. Like it but Glock triggers are not good. With that said it seems most who shoot them regularly do well with the trigger. I know I hate it but do well with it. It is a love/hate relationship for sure. I have an extended slide release and extended mag release. Both are good and allow me to make mag changes and release slide w/o changing my hold. I put in a stainless guide rod and new recoil spring as my old one wore out. I have new stock firing pin spring that I need to replace. I have over 10k rounds through it. Biggest thing I did for my old eyes is to install a set of TruGlow front and rear sights. They are much brighter and easier to see.

When I got it I didn't like it because I was used to shooting an all steel 1911 style 9mm. Recoil was a lot more than that all steel brick I was used to. I had a hard time getting control of it at first. I have tried soft and +P loads through it. It prefers hot loads with 124 gr bullets. I can keep it in a 4" ring at 25 yards if I concentrate with a 2 hand hold.

I bought it because the 1911 style 9mm I had was becoming unreliable and it was hard to find parts for. It was not a true 1911 and made in France and not widely imported. I wanted something cheap and reliable. Glocks were all the rage back then. Would I buy it again? Given the same conditions I was in back then being broke and in too much debt. Yes I would. I bought a Sig P228 when I was in better shape financially. I would buy the Sig again if I could afford it.

For me I practiced a lot with the Glock and I can shoot it well. The trigger takes a lot getting used to. It is a good vanilla gun without much of a personality. It does what it is designed to do well and is as reliable as a semi auto can be. It is not terribly expensive for what it is. I added all the stuff to give it the personality and functionality I wished it came with. All I did to my Sig was add Hogue grips. But the Sig has the controls in the right spots for me so. The trigger is nice right out of the box. It has personality.

I have considered getting rid of my Glock. But I can't bring myself to it. After 10k rounds and being so familiar with it, how could I? I cannot say I love it, though. I know most people love their Glocks. It was my main self defense gun for many years. I feel I could trust my life with it. Oh, and I forgot to say, it is FUGLY.

You are welcome to borrow it for testing if you like.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2014, 08:09:35 PM »
Wow...
I hit the gold mine of info with bros. Surf and Inspector.
I appreciate the time and effort you fellas put into your essays.
It will take a little time to digest the info presented here.
Of course, anybody else is welcomed to relate their personal experiences.
I know there are a lot of glockheads out there.
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dogman

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 09:59:00 PM »
1- Which model/ generation do you have?

G17 gen 4 and G19 gen 4

2- Would you buy it again?
 
Yes

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?

Yes

4- What did you NOT like about it?

The finger grooves

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?

Only night sights on the G17, I don't shoot a night but nice to have, will do the G19 eventually

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?

Non adjustable

7- express any other pertinent comment

Sig 226 is my favorite, but been putting more rounds through the G19 lately. I thought I only liked full size handguns but the19 is a lot of fun to shoot. I don't shoot the 17 much since I got the 19. I still shoot the Sig better, but been improving with the 19. So far I don't mind it being totally stock.
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coldpaint

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2014, 06:31:24 AM »
1. G19 3rd gen G26 3rd gen shot a friends G21 2/3 gen a lot

2. I would buy only gen4 for the 19/26.  I got slide bite especially when drawing from a holster. The gen 4's have an optional beaver tail.  I LOVE the g26!

3. No problem gotta the box, don't really care for the stock rear "u" sight.

4. Rear sight.  Slide bite.

For the g26 I put talon grips on it, its like skater tape, for extra grip when drawing.  They can get a bit slick.  Perhaps a non issue with the gen 4?  Night sights, any sight to get rid of the rear u.

6. No adj sights.

7. G19 is meh.  G26 is the best glock 9mm.  Less felt recoil than the 19.  G21 is an easy shooting 45.  I sold both my blocks due to the slide bite issue but really want to get the g26 gen 4. Currently I use a s&w 9c.  Its in between a g19&g26 in size.  Don't really like its felt recoil but then again I haven't shot it enough to get used to it.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2014, 07:05:20 AM »
Mahalo bro. Coldpaint for your interesting experiences. Especially the slide bites.
It's also interesting that you mentioned less felt recoil with the short gun.
I have a similar observation with my 1911's.
I attribute that to the reduced velocity from the shorter bbls.
Speer addresses that issue with their line of sd ammo for short bbl guns.
Effective??? Eh....who really knows?
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mic808

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2014, 09:57:08 AM »
1: glock 34 gen 4
2: yes im planning on getting a glock 17 for SD
3: yes it was the cheapest when i got from dangerclose tactical with 17 rds mag but was blocked due to hawaii law
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5: mods: lone wolf 3.5 lb trigger connector drop ins, 4 or 6 lbs ( i cant remember) power stricker spring, i polished the rest of the trigger mechanism that make contact with the trigger connector dawson precision adjustable rear and fiber optics front. is it worth it yes.
my next upgrade would be titanium/stainless steel guide rod with dual spring to reduce recoil.
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Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2014, 10:28:00 AM »

1- Which model/ generation do you have?
G19 gen 4

2- Would you buy it again?
Definately

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yup

4- What did you NOT like about it?
Nothing

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
I modified the hell out of it, one of a kind glock 19! Hoping to get a photo in a magazine or something. I bought it for this purpose so I can bling the hell out of it. Glocks have the most aftermarket parts and cost effective! I'll show pics soon of my golden glock lol

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Zev tech steel sights, not adjustable but mainly for cosmetic purposes

7- express any other pertinent comment
I have many higher cost pistols like hk sig ..... But for the low cost and for the modification factor glocks are the way to go! Plus they are super easy to work on.
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oldfart

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2014, 10:29:55 AM »
Quote from: mic808 on October 30, 2014, 09:57:08 AM
1: glock 34 gen 4
2: yes im planning on getting a glock 17 for SD
3: yes it was the cheapest when i got from dangerclose tactical with 17 rds mag but was blocked due to hawaii law
4:
5: mods: lone wolf 3.5 lb trigger connector drop ins, 4 or 6 lbs ( i cant remember) power stricker spring, i polished the rest of the trigger mechanism that make contact with the trigger connector dawson precision adjustable rear and fiber optics front. is it worth it yes.
my next upgrade would be titanium/stainless steel guide rod with dual spring to reduce recoil.
...
Mahalo bruddah mic
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aieahound

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2014, 12:59:05 PM »
Quote from: Rocky on October 28, 2014, 01:52:11 PM
Hey O.F.

Partially stolen from Rocky's post. ( solid guy by the way. )

1- Which model/ generation do you have?
I have a Gen 3 G17

2- Would you buy it again?
Definately   :love: +1

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes

Got it used and it still kicks ass.

4- What did you NOT like about it?
Not a carry gun but that's not why I got it. ( Got an M&P shield for that when it becomes legal )
Pretty stiff trigger.


5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Ghost (3.5) trigger job, $25.00, and yes it was worth it.
I was worried about the light trigger pull at first but it's got a pretty long take up and short reset, so it seems safe and functional. 

 6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
na

7- express any other pertinent comment
It's the gun I shoot most accurately and recoil is almost non-existent.
It's the only hand gun my 14 year old daughter can shoot and consistently hit the big silhouette plate at 25 yards with. Even she loves it.
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drck1000

Re: Glock hindsight
« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2014, 03:24:50 PM »
1- Which model/ generation do you have?
2 - 17 Gen 4 (one black and one FDE)
1 - 34 Gen 4

2- Would you buy it again?
Yes
Will likely eventually expand to different calibers.  If CCW, I'd get a 19.

3- Was it acceptable when you got it?
Yes

4- What did you NOT like about it?
Stock sights, but easily taken care of. 

5- If you modified it, what type of mod did you do? AND was the mod worth the cost and effort?
Sights and Vickers/TD mag release.  I have the extended slide catch/release that comes with the 34 on both 17s, but that's pretty minor.  I also have the grip plug on all three, I think TD, but I could do without. 

6- I like adjustable sights because I tinker with different ammo.
If you have adjustable sights, what did you get? Are you satisfied with your choice?
Fixed sights.  Trijicon HD on 34 and RedBack One/10-8 on both 17s.

7- express any other pertinent comment
I have kept my Glocks pretty much stock.  I have friends numerous friends who have encouraged me to stipple, change trigger, etc.  Even to the point of offering to change or stipple for me, but I've just kept things stock.  Maybe one day I'll buy a used project gun or two and do stuff like stipple and swap triggers, but I just don't want to head that direction now.  More to save money, time, etc and not start down the path than anything else. Haha
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