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A solid argument against mag size limits or a self defeating argument? (Read 11778 times)

ren

Re: A solid argument against mag size limits or a self defeating argument?
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2014, 04:26:08 PM »
I think we legislated/regulated ourselves out of meaningless...sure we can put more words on paper but our moral compasses and character strengths are deteriorating.
One fine example is traffic laws. Everyday in traffic - how many infractions can you count? Are they caught? People are driving over medians, making illegal turns, talking on the phone, smoking weed (yeah that stuff is strong in traffic going westbound) . We are more often justifying why we should do things wrong instead of finding the discipline to do the right thing. Our country is caught up in narcissism - what is good for me, look at me. I remember in early english class that it was proper to say "<friend, associate etc.> before I" now is is ME and <so and so>.
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edster48

Re: A solid argument against mag size limits or a self defeating argument?
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2014, 06:34:36 PM »
Quote from: Lifer on November 18, 2014, 03:26:37 PM
Perfect and simple answer.

After a nauseating debate with my ultra liberal relatives in California recently regarding 2A, welfare, etc., I finally got them to concede with a similar statement to yours, here is what I said in a nutshell;

Drugs are illegal right?, well yes.....then why does the Bay Area have such rampant drug use and drug related crime ?AND
firearms are basically illegal in Detroit right?, well yes......then why is it the murder capital of the U.S.?
These statements finally got them to stop, ponder, and had no response....maybe even saw a little, tiny lightbulb go off in their heads.

Laws are only as good as the citizens that abide by them and evil cannot be regulated by law.

It's always satisfying to see that resigned look of realization when you've backed a liberal into a corner with logic and reason.

Too bad it never seems to last.....
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Heavies

Re: A solid argument against mag size limits or a self defeating argument?
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2014, 11:20:17 PM »
Quote from: edster48 on November 19, 2014, 06:34:36 PM
It's always satisfying to see that resigned look of realization when you've backed a liberal into a corner with logic and reason.

Too bad it never seems to last.....
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/rusty-weiss/2012/01/22/yes-liberalism-mental-disorder
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mauidog

Re: A solid argument against mag size limits or a self defeating argument?
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2014, 12:36:38 AM »



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HiCarry

Re: A solid argument against mag size limits or a self defeating argument?
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2014, 02:33:43 PM »
Quote from: Lifer on November 18, 2014, 03:26:37 PM
Perfect and simple answer.

After a nauseating debate with my ultra liberal relatives in California recently regarding 2A, welfare, etc., I finally got them to concede with a similar statement to yours, here is what I said in a nutshell;

Drugs are illegal right?, well yes.....then why does the Bay Area have such rampant drug use and drug related crime ?AND
firearms are basically illegal in Detroit right?, well yes......then why is it the murder capital of the U.S.?
These statements finally got them to stop, ponder, and had no response....maybe even saw a little, tiny lightbulb go off in their heads.

Laws are only as good as the citizens that abide by them and evil cannot be regulated by law.

Michigan is a "Shall Issue" state with a state preemption law, meaning cities like Detroit cannot make any gun laws beyond those of the state. Open carry is legal without a permit.

Recently Detroit's Chief of police has been advocating for more armed citizens and has gone on record several times saying armed citizens, and the more frequent news stories of armed citizens successfully defending themselves, are one of the reasons crime is going down.

This being the case you might want to rethink your Detroit analogy a bit as it is probably best used as a "More Guns, Less Crime" type of example....
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sworbeyegib

Re: A solid argument against mag size limits or a self defeating argument?
« Reply #25 on: November 20, 2014, 03:18:57 PM »
For me it boils down to an argument of offensive vs defensive use of a firearm.

Someone using a firearm in an offensive capacity, have a premeditated control and awareness. They choose the time, place and circumstances revolving around the action of violence they are about to initiate. Therefore, will carry as many magazines and as much ammunition as they see fit. Regardless of magazine capacity, they are at an obvious advantage.

Someone using a firearm defensively does not choose the time, place (distance or available cover) or circumstances (number of assailants, what kind of weapons they are using, whether or not they are wearing body armor, etc...) when they must defend their life. They only ammo available to you, may only be what is in your firearm when you grab it. You may not have the time or luxury to secure reloads. 
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