Two different shooters pointed their rifles at me today. One shooter with an AR put his rifle away behind the line while he flagged all the shooters to his left.  I was pissed. I was shooting in the sitting position and I looked straight into his barrel. I politely told him DONT do that again! He smiled at me and never apologized.  I don't think he understood what he did.  I don't remember if he cleared his rifle when he cased it. 
The next shooter that took his bench had an M1 carbine.  He proceeded to load it  and laid it on the table with the muzzle pointing at me AGAIN!  My buddy corrected him this time.
I think I am a nice guy and helpful shooter.  I lend my stapler out to those that forget or ran out of staples.  I help guys with ARs and the like.  I asked myself why are people trying to get me shot?
If any of you are the above shooters please understand what you did was an unsafe act.  My other buddy was on the line and he is an experienced veteranarian, but I think there would be little first aid to do with a bullet through my head and my brain splat all over the place. 

I hear ya.  Leave the 'red flags' to the road crews!

Two different shooters pointed their rifles at me today. One shooter with an AR put his rifle away behind the line while he flagged all the shooters to his left.  I was pissed. I was shooting in the sitting position and I looked straight into his barrel. I politely told him DONT do that again! He smiled at me and never apologized.  I don't think he understood what he did.  I don't remember if he cleared his rifle when he cased it. 
The next shooter that took his bench had an M1 carbine.  He proceeded to load it  and laid it on the table with the muzzle pointing at me AGAIN!  My buddy corrected him this time.
I think I am a nice guy and helpful shooter.  I lend my stapler out to those that forget or ran out of staples.  I help guys with ARs and the like.  I asked myself why are people trying to get me shot?
If any of you are the above shooters please understand what you did was an unsafe act.  My other buddy was on the line and he is an experienced veteranarian, but I think there would be little first aid to do with a bullet through my head and my brain splat all over the place.

I hear yah. It was retard discount day yesterday as well. Too many people out there.

That is really too bad.  Since Hawaii only has one public range, you get all the "unconscious incompetent” people in one area.  Maybe they need to erect some sort of privacy wall between each patron.  I visited this range while we were on TDY between missions.  It’s a beautiful place, however it was extremely crowded and the shooters were stacked very close together.  It sounds pretty dangerous when these people are muzzle flashing other patrons and when they are warned about the safety infraction, they do not take it well. 

Quote from: ren on July 31, 2011, 09:37:36 PM

Two different shooters pointed their rifles at me today. One shooter with an AR put his rifle away behind the line while he flagged all the shooters to his left.  I was pissed. I was shooting in the sitting position and I looked straight into his barrel. I politely told him DONT do that again! He smiled at me and never apologized.  I don't think he understood what he did.  I don't remember if he cleared his rifle when he cased it. 
The next shooter that took his bench had an M1 carbine.  He proceeded to load it  and laid it on the table with the muzzle pointing at me AGAIN!  My buddy corrected him this time.
I think I am a nice guy and helpful shooter.  I lend my stapler out to those that forget or ran out of staples.  I help guys with ARs and the like.  I asked myself why are people trying to get me shot?
If any of you are the above shooters please understand what you did was an unsafe act.  My other buddy was on the line and he is an experienced veteranarian, but I think there would be little first aid to do with a bullet through my head and my brain splat all over the place.

I hear yah. It was retard discount day yesterday as well. Too many people out there.

Ya it did seem more crowded than usual. 

There are easily 100-200+ new shooters a month going through firearm classes.  Just food for thought!  It's going to get more crowded.

There are easily 100-200+ new shooters a month going through firearm classes.  Just food for thought!  It's going to get more crowded.

Good for Second Amendment  bad for shooting range...

That is really too bad.  Since Hawaii only has one public range, you get all the "unconscious incompetent” people in one area.  Maybe they need to erect some sort of privacy wall between each patron.  I visited this range while we were on TDY between missions.  It’s a beautiful place, however it was extremely crowded and the shooters were stacked very close together.  It sounds pretty dangerous when these people are muzzle flashing other patrons and when they are warned about the safety infraction, they do not take it well.

I'm not sure I agree with the privacy wall thing.  Like funtimes is saying there are a lot of new shooters every day in Hawaii.  Walls would make it difficult to impossible to police those shooters at the range.  The range officers have a tough job as it is.

Privacy walls are ok for toilets. Farts are not as fatal as bullets. I've seen people try some stupid things just because they thought no one was watching.

I haven't kept count of the number of times someone has tried to shoot me at the range.  Once, though, sticks in my mind.  I was at the silhouette range, and to mu right, a couple of tacticool boys were shooting... well, everything.  Including a hand cannon in .50 AE Express.  They were having a HARD time cycling the action on that cannon, but were keeping it in a safe direction.  Then the range officer came over, and showed them how to do it more easily by supporting the gun on their stomach.  With a loaded magazine and one in the chamber.  Having them point it STRAIGHT down the line to their left.

I tried to push my stool back out of the way, but since the concrete there is grooved, the legs caught, and I pushed myself over flat on my back.  And they looked at me like I was the idiot.

Privacy walls are ok for toilets. Farts are not as fatal as bullets. I've seen people try some stupid things just because they thought no one was watching.

Ever shot on a range with privacy walls?  Goddamn, is it LOUD!

^^^I shot a 460 SW Mag indoors.  Double ear protection is not enough.

Quote from: Funtimes on August 01, 2011, 04:19:22 PM

There are easily 100-200+ new shooters a month going through firearm classes.  Just food for thought!  It's going to get more crowded.

Good for Second Amendment  bad for shooting range...

+1..the range on Maui is only open to the public at best 3-4 times a month last year (though they have added extra days now) and it's always packed right when the place opens.

I agree 100% that new firearm owners are a great boost to the 2nd Amendment but at the same time with how limited shooting space is; I find it hard to get any adequate trigger time. It's a pain in the butt to try and go to the range when my work schedule actually gives me a day off when it's open-to-the-public at the range.

I haven't kept count of the number of times someone has tried to shoot me at the range.  Once, though, sticks in my mind.  I was at the silhouette range, and to mu right, a couple of tacticool boys were shooting... well, everything.  Including a hand cannon in .50 AE Express.  They were having a HARD time cycling the action on that cannon, but were keeping it in a safe direction.  Then the range officer came over, and showed them how to do it more easily by supporting the gun on their stomach.  With a loaded magazine and one in the chamber.  Having them point it STRAIGHT down the line to their left.

I tried to push my stool back out of the way, but since the concrete there is grooved, the legs caught, and I pushed myself over flat on my back.  And they looked at me like I was the idiot.

That range officer should have been called out on that. I would rather look like an idiot who fell backwards and bruised my ego than a corpse with a bullet hole. Scary stuff at the range.

I know what you mean... having been to a range many, many times I try to be very mechanical when I handle the firearms at a range. And, a couple of times back at Kokohead, my toe was on the line and the guy literally yelled in my face. He threatened to kick me off the range, made a really big show of it. I went down to apologize to the fat SOB and he started shouting again. I had my toe on the yellow line! I could understand if I had pointed a gun at someone or was disrupting the range or something but this clown seemed to have something for me. My buddies and I could not understand it. Makes me want to just wait til I get back to the mainland to shoot, really ticked me off.... the range "officers" are quite the group of individuals...

^^^^^^In my experience with them, they usually have a good reason to call people out, but in several instances they get very angry (unprofessional) and tend to ramp up the situation more than it should be.  I understand that (and I'm not saying you did this) they are trying to stop dangerous behaviors, but by reacting the way they do, they can sometimes push people into a "fight reflex."

I could not agree more, which is why I went down to apologize to the guy. He just seemed to be pissed off at the world and thought my face needed some reprimand.... I was embarrassed as hell, I'm usually the safe guy (or try like hell to be!).

I know what you mean... having been to a range many, many times I try to be very mechanical when I handle the firearms at a range. And, a couple of times back at Kokohead, my toe was on the line and the guy literally yelled in my face. He threatened to kick me off the range, made a really big show of it. I went down to apologize to the fat SOB and he started shouting again. I had my toe on the yellow line! I could understand if I had pointed a gun at someone or was disrupting the range or something but this clown seemed to have something for me. My buddies and I could not understand it. Makes me want to just wait til I get back to the mainland to shoot, really ticked me off.... the range "officers" are quite the group of individuals...

I had something similar happen to me.  I don't remember the exact words. But one of the range officers was on the mic yelling (not just announcing in a regular voice) but yelling through the mic that standing shooters need to have their foot on the numbers. I kept looking down at my feet and looked back towards the center a few times but every time I looked at the center the man holding the mic would not make eye contact with me. No one ever came up to me to say something directly to me either. So I kept shooting standing.  I had my front foot on the numbers and the front of my shoe was across the edge of the asphalt. The entire barrel of my rifle was over the grass from the front edge of the stock. I didn't think that I could get much further forward.  Come to find out later that I was the only person on the line shooting standing during those announcements.  If it was such a problem that he needed to keep yelling over the mic why did no one come up to me and say something or make eye contact with me when i looked down the line towards them?

^^^I doubt it was you.  When these guys get ramped up and angry you know who they are chewing out.  Other than that they were probably just making sure that they were getting their point across because a lot of the newer shooters out there don't pay attention to what's going on.

^^^I doubt it was you.  When these guys get ramped up and angry you know who they are chewing out.  Other than that they were probably just making sure that they were getting their point across because a lot of the newer shooters out there don't pay attention to what's going on.

Are you implying my race/color had anything to do with it? That is what my buddy said, who has lived here for a while. I was like, GEEZ.... the only time I can remember getting reamed like that was waaaaaay back when my brother did a Clint Eastwood with my dad standing behind him (raised the gun up by his ear, my dad was standing behind him so he got a good look down the barrel of a Python .357!).
What really threw me off was when I went down to talk to him he *still* was pissed off at me. One of those moments when I thought maybe I wronged the guy in another life or something....