BTW, I lifted my skirt more than I usually do about my supplies... I expressly do NOT share my preparedness with my neighbors. I know my house would be the first place they'd come to! I quietly make my preparations....

This. I do not let on to my neighbors about what I have, but they know and have begun to stock up as well, starting to ask questions about firearms classess, training, etc. Nice to see.

Quote from: colorado_shooter_dh on August 10, 2011, 03:47:09 PM

BTW, I lifted my skirt more than I usually do about my supplies... I expressly do NOT share my preparedness with my neighbors. I know my house would be the first place they'd come to! I quietly make my preparations....

This. I do not let on to my neighbors about what I have, but they know and have begun to stock up as well, starting to ask questions about firearms classess, training, etc. Nice to see.

I think you guys are right on.  There was a video posted, on this forum, I think, about some preppers.  One family lived in a city in Arizona, and they had turned their pool into a fully self-sustaining food source.  It was a pretty cool setup, they had fish, vegetables, fruit, eggs, chickens, the whole shebang, right there in the pool.  Great idea, but there's no way to keep curious neighbors from knowing what's under the awning over the pool, so unless the entire city follows suit, that little ecosystem is only going to feed the family for as long as your ammunition holds out.  You're going to be turning people away from day one, and you better believe the first place they're going to come back to with their pitchforks and torches once the grocery store's empty is your house.  I think it would be much better to just have a secret stash than a public renewable source of food.  If nobody knows what's under the tarps in your garage, you won't have to fight them for it!

I'm gonna put the tinfoil hat back on for a second....there we go. So our unelected and corporate-owned Supercongress has to gut 1 trillion of spending by this fall, and when the word austerity pops up it's likely insurrection time just like in England. But what about the handful of unpopular wars and wasting millions on handing out weapons to our despotic allies around the world in order to prop up the empire? Hey there's a 10th anniversary of 911 coming up in less than a month now. If you were Johnny Military-Industrial Complex looking at your bloated allowance taking a big hit then what better time to have a false-flag attack or start up a really BIG war with, say, a China-size power? The video images of masses of refugees fleeing their freshly dirty-bombed city, skin hanging off and covered in sores, would definitely be a nice distraction from the investment banker infestation which has nibbled out the inside of our country to a hollow shell. Ok time to take the hat off... Yeah the American Dream is still alive baby! When I get rich I'm getting a corvette with 24" diamond studded wheels and a champagne dispenser in the dash. USA! USA!

I'm gonna put the tinfoil hat back on for a second....there we go. So our unelected and corporate-owned Supercongress has to gut 1 trillion of spending by this fall, and when the word austerity pops up it's likely insurrection time just like in England. But what about the handful of unpopular wars and wasting millions on handing out weapons to our despotic allies around the world in order to prop up the empire? Hey there's a 10th anniversary of 911 coming up in less than a month now. If you were Johnny Military-Industrial Complex looking at your bloated allowance taking a big hit then what better time to have a false-flag attack or start up a really BIG war with, say, a China-size power? The video images of masses of refugees fleeing their freshly dirty-bombed city, skin hanging off and covered in sores, would definitely be a nice distraction from the investment banker infestation which has nibbled out the inside of our country to a hollow shell. Ok time to take the hat off... Yeah the American Dream is still alive baby! When I get rich I'm getting a corvette with 24" diamond studded wheels and a champagne dispenser in the dash. USA! USA!

Now that your tinfoil hat is off, I recommend you take your lithium...

Quote from: hvybarrels on August 11, 2011, 01:26:43 AM

I'm gonna put the tinfoil hat back on for a second....there we go. So our unelected and corporate-owned Supercongress has to gut 1 trillion of spending by this fall, and when the word austerity pops up it's likely insurrection time just like in England. But what about the handful of unpopular wars and wasting millions on handing out weapons to our despotic allies around the world in order to prop up the empire? Hey there's a 10th anniversary of 911 coming up in less than a month now. If you were Johnny Military-Industrial Complex looking at your bloated allowance taking a big hit then what better time to have a false-flag attack or start up a really BIG war with, say, a China-size power? The video images of masses of refugees fleeing their freshly dirty-bombed city, skin hanging off and covered in sores, would definitely be a nice distraction from the investment banker infestation which has nibbled out the inside of our country to a hollow shell. Ok time to take the hat off... Yeah the American Dream is still alive baby! When I get rich I'm getting a corvette with 24" diamond studded wheels and a champagne dispenser in the dash. USA! USA!

Now that your tinfoil hat is off, I recommend you take your lithium...

It's Ritalin, thank you.

Quote from: vooduchikn on August 10, 2011, 03:50:13 PM

Quote from: colorado_shooter_dh on August 10, 2011, 03:47:09 PM

BTW, I lifted my skirt more than I usually do about my supplies... I expressly do NOT share my preparedness with my neighbors. I know my house would be the first place they'd come to! I quietly make my preparations....

This. I do not let on to my neighbors about what I have, but they know and have begun to stock up as well, starting to ask questions about firearms classess, training, etc. Nice to see.

I think you guys are right on.  There was a video posted, on this forum, I think, about some preppers.  One family lived in a city in Arizona, and they had turned their pool into a fully self-sustaining food source.  It was a pretty cool setup, they had fish, vegetables, fruit, eggs, chickens, the whole shebang, right there in the pool.  Great idea, but there's no way to keep curious neighbors from knowing what's under the awning over the pool, so unless the entire city follows suit, that little ecosystem is only going to feed the family for as long as your ammunition holds out.  You're going to be turning people away from day one, and you better believe the first place they're going to come back to with their pitchforks and torches once the grocery store's empty is your house.   I think it would be much better to just have a secret stash than a public renewable source of food.  If nobody knows what's under the tarps in your garage, you won't have to fight them for it!

*Rant On*
Thats the statement that kills me about a lot of people in this country... The whole mentality of "Oh you have so much of that, so you gotta share with me because I'm entitled to it too....". I'll agree that charity and helping one's neighbor is the best socially acceptable path. BUT when it comes down to my family making it out of an emergency ok, and "you" eating lean for a week because you failed to prepare, you better believe I'm taking care of my family first. Unfortuneitly, if that means I have to defend my family and property/supplies through use of force, I'll sure as hell be willing to do it to safeguard our health and well being...
*Rant Off*

Sorry, but reading how how Colorado_Shooter's friend's showed up with basically nothing during an emergency really got to me. My charitable bone will only go so far when someone can't think ahead for themselves. I'd be pretty pissed too if people came to my place with one bottle water, bag chips, and some alcohol. I sure hope they feel like keeping their calorie intake up through those beers, because my pantry would be on lockdown after seeing their "supplies"...

I know it is hard to believe but it happened... they thought the whole thing was a party, getting kicked out of their homes in Eva and Honolulu. I was very thankful that the predicted tsunami did not hit Oahu worse than it did. It made me seriously rethink some of the things my old veteran dad told me. Next time, they will show up with water and food or find somewhere else.
Yeah, Kaneohe, I tried to tell the fools that alcohol dehyrdrates, duh...  Someday I'm going to have to meet some of you guys! I don't consider myself a doomsdayer, but my old pop said we live in a bubble here in the US - the rest of the world do not. When our little chain food stores stop restocking because of some event, we turn into the monkeys that we really are. And then, you better be prepared to survive, and defend.

Quote from: Cougar8045 on August 10, 2011, 05:09:12 PM

Quote from: vooduchikn on August 10, 2011, 03:50:13 PM

Quote from: colorado_shooter_dh on August 10, 2011, 03:47:09 PM

BTW, I lifted my skirt more than I usually do about my supplies... I expressly do NOT share my preparedness with my neighbors. I know my house would be the first place they'd come to! I quietly make my preparations....

This. I do not let on to my neighbors about what I have, but they know and have begun to stock up as well, starting to ask questions about firearms classess, training, etc. Nice to see.

I think you guys are right on.  There was a video posted, on this forum, I think, about some preppers.  One family lived in a city in Arizona, and they had turned their pool into a fully self-sustaining food source.  It was a pretty cool setup, they had fish, vegetables, fruit, eggs, chickens, the whole shebang, right there in the pool.  Great idea, but there's no way to keep curious neighbors from knowing what's under the awning over the pool, so unless the entire city follows suit, that little ecosystem is only going to feed the family for as long as your ammunition holds out.  You're going to be turning people away from day one, and you better believe the first place they're going to come back to with their pitchforks and torches once the grocery store's empty is your house.   I think it would be much better to just have a secret stash than a public renewable source of food.  If nobody knows what's under the tarps in your garage, you won't have to fight them for it!

*Rant On*
Thats the statement that kills me about a lot of people in this country... The whole mentality of "Oh you have so much of that, so you gotta share with me because I'm entitled to it too....". I'll agree that charity and helping one's neighbor is the best socially acceptable path. BUT when it comes down to my family making it out of an emergency ok, and "you" eating lean for a week because you failed to prepare, you better believe I'm taking care of my family first. Unfortuneitly, if that means I have to defend my family and property/supplies through use of force, I'll sure as hell be willing to do it to safeguard our health and well being...
*Rant Off*

Sorry, but reading how how Colorado_Shooter's friend's showed up with basically nothing during an emergency really got to me. My charitable bone will only go so far when someone can't think ahead for themselves. I'd be pretty pissed too if people came to my place with one bottle water, bag chips, and some alcohol. I sure hope they feel like keeping their calorie intake up through those beers, because my pantry would be on lockdown after seeing their "supplies"...

I'm with you.  Just to be clear, I didn't mean it is in any way a person's responsibility to provide for the masses, simply that if the masses know someone's got food, they're going to come try to take it.  Which will lead to a lot of unpleasantness, because I think if the poopy hits the paddles, those people in AZ will essentially be under siege.

Now that your tinfoil hat is off, I recommend you take your lithium...

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

Really glad you shared that story Colorado. I'm much too inclined to believe that people will act rationally sometimes. Hope you schooled your friends already and showed them how to move with the basics in tow. That said it's probably no longer safe there for you in certain situations because now people know, and if a bunch of folks show up at your door begging 'please let me in' and the neighbors take notice then chances are you will have your hands full in short order.

This brings up a good point which is most people seem to have a plan A and that's it. In my line of work there has to be a plan B, C, D, E etc just because rarely does everything work out the way it's supposed to and it's way too expensive to have everybody standing around while the leaders try to figure out what to do. Also the cowboy fantasy of being on ones own should only be considered as an absolute last resort. There have to be people you trust with complimentary skill sets in order to maintain a decent sized group that can get around the obstacles that pop up not only while the windows are being smashed, but also when it's time to break out the broom and dustpan and figure out what's next. Too big a group and it breaks into factions of self-interest. Too small a group and you're at the mercy of other groups who's intentions are at odds with yours, and they'll eventually get what they want no matter how many cases of ammo are laying around.

Quote from: vooduchikn on August 11, 2011, 09:47:38 AM

Now that your tinfoil hat is off, I recommend you take your lithium...

“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.”

Krishnamurti, yeah I get it.

The point of the lithium is to curb manic behavior.

You are welcome, barrels, glad it was interesting to any/all. Now that I think about it, I might send an email to these people with a "reminder" to stock some water, provisions, and gas. I know most of them do not own firearms, so asking for that would be useless. Fortunately, I did not have to pull out my supplies and lift my skirts regarding what supplies I have stored. It was an overnight sleepover, with a bunch of partiers. I did not display my provisions, nor did I discuss them - just provided a place for them up the hill... hopefully above the waterline!

I just caught my wife taking bottles of water from the disaster supply lol.   I had to explain that stuff is not for general consumption.  Good thing nothing bad happened, three weeks of water almost gone lol!

I'm with you.  Just to be clear, I didn't mean it is in any way a person's responsibility to provide for the masses, simply that if the masses know someone's got food, they're going to come try to take it.  Which will lead to a lot of unpleasantness, because I think if the poopy hits the paddles, those people in AZ will essentially be under siege.

Sorry Cougar, my rant was directed at the ultra-liberal minded people in our country who have that mentality (You have so much, so give me some...). I deffinently got what you were saying about people who don't prepare are going to be the first to come after you for what you've stored. 

Right on.  It's the communist credo at work, "from each accoring to his ability, to each according to his need."

I just caught my wife taking bottles of water from the disaster supply lol.   I had to explain that stuff is not for general consumption.  Good thing nothing bad happened, three weeks of water almost gone lol!

She must be disciplined!!!!
 

"So Exactly how is YOUR Failure to Prepare supposed to be an Emergency for Me?"  unkown author

I have told some people that "if you're Not bringing anything to the compound, I'll shoot you Outside
   before you come in.  You are not useing MY toilet paper, MY water and Food supplies with out contributing
   to the general welfare."   

My survival comes before theirs.

I think the Hawaii Law on Castles covers Home invasions nicely.

Quote from: Funtimes on August 11, 2011, 03:05:59 PM

I just caught my wife taking bottles of water from the disaster supply lol.   I had to explain that stuff is not for general consumption.  Good thing nothing bad happened, three weeks of water almost gone lol!

She must be disciplined!!!!
 

I don't know how many times I caught my girlfriend snagging bottles of water out of my emergency supply. She eventually stopped... Cause I hid the water 

I think the Hawaii Law on Castles covers Home invasions nicely.

Do tell, I'm curious... I have no idea what Hawaii Law and castles cover!

Quote from: Old Guy on August 11, 2011, 04:01:49 PM

I think the Hawaii Law on Castles covers Home invasions nicely.

Do tell, I'm curious... I have no idea what Hawaii Law and castles cover!

Its not bad...it could be much better.

I asked a legal type person about rioters dropping in UN invited with intent TO DO HARM

He told me that Hawaii's new Castle Law would cover defending one self against  rioters if they were to invade My property/Home.