I asked a legal type person about rioters dropping in UN invited with intent TO DO HARM

He told me that Hawaii's new Castle Law would cover defending one self against  rioters if they were to invade My property/Home.

You guys are getting this whole castle thing mixed up. It provides you civil immunity AFTER you shoot someone. Meaning, you can't be sued by the criminals family.
You still go to court (if they press charges) plead not guilty and provide an affirmative defense (I had to shoot because xxxxx).

Quote from: Old Guy on August 11, 2011, 09:23:24 PM

I asked a legal type person about rioters dropping in UN invited with intent TO DO HARM

He told me that Hawaii's new Castle Law would cover defending one self against  rioters if they were to invade My property/Home.

You guys are getting this whole castle thing mixed up. It provides you civil immunity AFTER you shoot someone. Meaning, you can't be sued by the criminals family.
You still go to court (if they press charges) please not guilty and provide an affirmative defense (I had to shoot because xxxxx).

Found out the other day what exactly is meant by an afirmative defense: basically, you're pleading guilty to something that would normally be a crime, and providing justification as to why you don't think you should be punished for it.  Which means that if you get a jury who believes in the high ideal of the Collective, comrade, you're boned with a self-defense plea.  Which is why I think it's really important to keep things under wraps; in Hawaii, a jury is not going to acquit you for shooting someone who "just wanted a bit of rice."

Quote from: colorado_shooter_dh on August 10, 2011, 03:47:09 PM

BTW, I lifted my skirt more than I usually do about my supplies... I expressly do NOT share my preparedness with my neighbors. I know my house would be the first place they'd come to! I quietly make my preparations....

This. I do not let on to my neighbors about what I have, but they know and have begun to stock up as well, starting to ask questions about firearms classess, training, etc. Nice to see.

Awesome Voodu.  Now is the time to be friendly with the neighbors.  Don't show your cards, but drop hints like if they are prepared for hurricane season etc. 

Colorado- next time they come for disaster, tell them they wiped you out the last time and times are hard so bring supplies.   

Quote from: vooduchikn on August 10, 2011, 03:50:13 PM

Quote from: colorado_shooter_dh on August 10, 2011, 03:47:09 PM

BTW, I lifted my skirt more than I usually do about my supplies... I expressly do NOT share my preparedness with my neighbors. I know my house would be the first place they'd come to! I quietly make my preparations....

This. I do not let on to my neighbors about what I have, but they know and have begun to stock up as well, starting to ask questions about firearms classess, training, etc. Nice to see.

Awesome Voodu.  Now is the time to be friendly with the neighbors.  Don't show your cards, but drop hints like if they are prepared for hurricane season etc. 

Colorado- next time they come for disaster, tell them they wiped you out the last time and times are hard so bring supplies.   

First thing I am doing (besides schooling them on some basic preps) is getting them into shooting. They already want to take a class and have asked me to take them out to the range so they can try out some guns. They are smart and trustworthy folks, so I do what I can to push them in the correct direction.

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Quote from: Funtimes on August 11, 2011, 11:00:57 PM

Quote from: Old Guy on August 11, 2011, 09:23:24 PM

I asked a legal type person about rioters dropping in UN invited with intent TO DO HARM

He told me that Hawaii's new Castle Law would cover defending one self against  rioters if they were to invade My property/Home.

You guys are getting this whole castle thing mixed up. It provides you civil immunity AFTER you shoot someone. Meaning, you can't be sued by the criminals family.
You still go to court (if they press charges) plead not guilty and provide an affirmative defense (I had to shoot because xxxxx).

Funtimes sums it u pretty good.
Hawaii has always had a "Castle Law" and part of that was the provision that you did not have to retreat from your home as you would if you were somewhere else public. The "New" portion of the Castle Law simply provides a measure of immunity from civil actions if you end up defending yourself in your home. There are still standards to meet in order to benefit from the new provisions. For example you must have feared the intruder was about to commit a violent felony.
The criminal rules will dictate the self-defense aspects of any legal action. And yes, the affirmative defense for self-defense sucks. It's one of the things we should try to change.